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Wedding Woes

Past trauma and present reckoning.

Dear Prudence,

In my early twenties, I was raped. By a man who happened to be Black. I don’t think he did it because he was Black. He did it because he was “a somebody” where we were and I was a nobody, and I don’t honestly think he thought of it as rape. I was very drunk and he took advantage, as most of the men (mostly white) in the place in which I worked at that time would do. I went to work there in part out of my own socialization as a young woman, and I can’t say I wasn’t complicit in the culture that led to that specific moment. After it and some ensuing complications, I spiraled and lost a lot of a lot of years, but because I am white and privileged and because the job paid well, I was able to access therapy secretly and stabilize. I’m one of the lucky ones—most women who went through that sort of experience don’t get to use it to improve because no one helps them.

No one in my family knows about this, and frankly, it’s none of their business. But my daughter-in-law, who is a young, politically active Black woman, has recently started trying to get me to “check” my privilege by using terms like “Karen” and “white woman tears.” It makes me really angry, disproportionately so, which actually seems to encourage her. I know I’m flawed, and I know the statistics she quotes at me are horrible for women of color, but I’m tired of being her easily accessible punching bag. It’s too triggering. I want to just move on. I am trying to remember that in the wider system, she’s so easily dismissed (young, Black, intelligent, from a financially deprived background) that she needs to know that she’s getting through to someone, and my reactions are at least reactions, not the indifference of so much of society. And, of course, if I am going to be an ally, I need to listen and acknowledge at the very least.

But I’ve just started avoiding her, even if she seeks me out, trying to educate me. I tell myself that if I could take the time to investigate my rapist with compassion and look at the society surrounding us and stop throwing around terms like “white trash” (which I used for years in reference to myself), then she can learn to stop using stereotypical terms, too. But I think I just look like an asshole, and maybe I am an asshole. My son definitely thinks I’m being ridiculous and I need to suck it up and stop being so weak. Sometimes I think I should tell her about my youth, but then I just feel sick to my stomach. It’s not that I think I did anything wrong anymore, it’s just, once you share something like this, it’s like telling people you had an abortion or something. They tend to define you by that thing that happened to you, and I don’t want that.

I realize that’s ironic, as she is regularly telling me that she is defined by the color of her skin, which isn’t fair and is, for her, unavoidable in our modern society. As an old woman, however, I want to exploit my privilege in this area and just not share this story. How do I frame my time with her so that I don’t make things worse? I want to support her in her work and in her life, just as I want to support my son, but I want to feel like I’m part of the solution, and I am finding that very difficult in our conversations.

— Maybe I Am White Trash

Re: Past trauma and present reckoning.

  • She’s being mean and rude to her and you can and should walk away from hot button conversations 
  • Your rapist and trauma have nothing to do with your DIL and privilege. Telling her you were raped by a man who happens to be black is not going to change how she sees you. It may even come off that you're telling her about it as if you're offering an excuse for racist behavior. 

    I can't tell if DIL is just being an asshole or if she's calling out something legitimate. If she tells you to check your privilege in reference to a specific act or comment, focus on that specific comment. If she's just randomly calling you Karen while you're sitting there minding your own business, tell her to cut it out or stick with avoiding her. 
  • LW is jumping through a lot of hoops to escape confronting her implicit biases as she pretends to be an ally. Something tells me that she is much less aware than she thinks she is. The trauma is horrific, but it really doesn’t have bearing on anything else she is saying here. The fact she uses it as a point to justify says she does not understand the assignment. 

    Could DIL be an ass? Possibly. Especially if comments are random and unprompted like @MyNameIsNot says, but I think it’s far more likely that LW says and does things without understanding how at the very least they are micro aggressions, if not outright racist. 


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  • LW may be best to sit with her DIL quietly to listen.  

    Her event is traumatic and a lot of what she said reminds me of events my own mother experienced 15 years ago.  

    The issue is that being a victim does not allow you to also use that victimization as a reason to paint a group with a broad brush based on the actions of one person.  

    LW may need more therapy.  I know I think my own parent would benefit from it. 
  • What happened to LW is traumatic and awful. But it does not give you a pass to perpetuate systems of white supremacy. Don’t weaponize your own trauma against someone else experiencing trauma. 

    If you are engaging in behaviors that are causing this reaction in your DIL, sit and listen to her perspective. If these comments are coming out of the blue or are in reference to all women, ask questions (“is there something I’ve done that we need to talk through”) but if she’s just not able to have that conversation change the subject and move on. 
  • It sickens me that few people even recognize what a misogynistic term "Karen" is.  People should hate the behavior, sure.  But that society chose a woman's name to exemplify something negative is just, yet again, the "women are pathetic and second class citizens" attitude that pervades our society.

    Sorry.  I know I've had that soapbox rant before.  But I don't understand why we can't be fighting for equality for all underprivileged groups.  Including gender.  JFC, it really doesn't have to be just one group at a time.

    Even the term "privileged" feels like it is used substantially more often for white women than for white men.  Are you f**king kidding me?!?!  
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  • It sickens me that few people even recognize what a misogynistic term "Karen" is.  People should hate the behavior, sure.  But that society chose a woman's name to exemplify something negative is just, yet again, the "women are pathetic and second class citizens" attitude that pervades our society.

    Sorry.  I know I've had that soapbox rant before.  But I don't understand why we can't be fighting for equality for all underprivileged groups.  Including gender.  JFC, it really doesn't have to be just one group at a time.

    Even the term "privileged" feels like it is used substantially more often for white women than for white men.  Are you f**king kidding me?!?!  
    To be fair, the male equivalent is called "Chad"
  • It sickens me that few people even recognize what a misogynistic term "Karen" is.  People should hate the behavior, sure.  But that society chose a woman's name to exemplify something negative is just, yet again, the "women are pathetic and second class citizens" attitude that pervades our society.

    Sorry.  I know I've had that soapbox rant before.  But I don't understand why we can't be fighting for equality for all underprivileged groups.  Including gender.  JFC, it really doesn't have to be just one group at a time.

    Even the term "privileged" feels like it is used substantially more often for white women than for white men.  Are you f**king kidding me?!?!  
    To be fair, the male equivalent is called "Chad"
    Except I've only heard that a few times and it was never in context.  For example, I've never heard someone online or IRL saying "that person was being such a Chad".  "Oh!  There was such a Chad at the grocery store today."  "Would I be a Chad if I sent my meal back?"

    That actually almost makes it even worse.  In that, in the beginning, I guess there was a male name version.  But all of society rejected that and went with the female name.
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  • It sickens me that few people even recognize what a misogynistic term "Karen" is.  People should hate the behavior, sure.  But that society chose a woman's name to exemplify something negative is just, yet again, the "women are pathetic and second class citizens" attitude that pervades our society.

    Sorry.  I know I've had that soapbox rant before.  But I don't understand why we can't be fighting for equality for all underprivileged groups.  Including gender.  JFC, it really doesn't have to be just one group at a time.

    Even the term "privileged" feels like it is used substantially more often for white women than for white men.  Are you f**king kidding me?!?!  
    To be fair, the male equivalent is called "Chad"
    Except I've only heard that a few times and it was never in context.  For example, I've never heard someone online or IRL saying "that person was being such a Chad".  "Oh!  There was such a Chad at the grocery store today."  "Would I be a Chad if I sent my meal back?"

    That actually almost makes it even worse.  In that, in the beginning, I guess there was a male name version.  But all of society rejected that and went with the female name.
    I use it when describing a douche.
    I dislike the band Volbeat, so I regularly call the lead singer "Chad" {Chad el Douchbaggio to be specific}
  • It sickens me that few people even recognize what a misogynistic term "Karen" is.  People should hate the behavior, sure.  But that society chose a woman's name to exemplify something negative is just, yet again, the "women are pathetic and second class citizens" attitude that pervades our society.

    Sorry.  I know I've had that soapbox rant before.  But I don't understand why we can't be fighting for equality for all underprivileged groups.  Including gender.  JFC, it really doesn't have to be just one group at a time.

    Even the term "privileged" feels like it is used substantially more often for white women than for white men.  Are you f**king kidding me?!?!  
    Because some groups (Black women,
    Black men) are disproportionately harmed by white supremacy and misogyny. Focusing on all groups has not helped Black Americans, focusing on white feminist issues has not helped Black women. Because Black Americans are more likely to be murdered by police than white Americans when white Americans commit larger percentage of crime. 

    I’m all for tearing down systems of white supremacy and misogyny. But let’s not absolve white women of the wrong we’ve done as well. Yes white men are responsible for creating & perpetuating the systems but as white women we benefit from the systems and many still use it to their advantage. 

    If you want a look into the ways white feminism has been detrimental for Black women check out Rachel Cargye’s work and her piece on White Supremacy in Heels. 
    I understand much of this is true.  There has certainly been tons of racism even within feminism.  I'm not saying white women don't have privilege and that they shouldn't work on understanding how this has affected the inequity in the world we live in.  But from the way society acts, it's not even an equal burden for white men.

    White men should be looking at all their micro-aggressions towards POC AND women.  And men of color should be looking at their micro-aggressions toward women, because they can be just as chauvinistic and ugly as their white counterparts.  Quite frankly, women should to.  We can be our own worst enemy for our gender.

    But I do think we can and should do it all.  If we're talking about micro-aggressions for POC, we should be talking about it for women also.  While people are becoming more aware of these, it's just as easy to be aware of all the groups who suffer from this.  That helps all women and probably women of color even more than it helps white women.

    I'm using micro-aggressions as an example because those are especially insidious and often unnoticed consciously.  But I really mean it about everything. 

    I'm just saying can we at least not go BACKWARDS!  And denigrate women further by labeling bad behavior with a woman's name.  Especially bad behavior that is supposed to symbolize inequality to begin with.

    Or at least that is how it started.  Now it's a stupid term people throw out just because someone complains about something.  Which I also think is unhealthy for society.  As long as there is no name-calling or yelling and people are being professional, people shouldn't feel bad about complaining!  Companies and their employees screw up all the time.  No one should have to sit in silence for that.  That can also be the very way injustices happen!  It's complete madness.

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