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This is textbook hostile work environment.

Dear Prudence,

My coworkers, “Mary” and “Joe,” have been having an affair since before COVID hit.
Both are married, but Joe’s wife “Jane” works for a different department as a supervisor. I had the unfortunate luck to discover Mary and Joe have been using me as a cover to their spouses and our bosses.

On business trips, Mary would disappear at night saying she was meeting up with ‘old friends.” Only I caught her coming out of Joe’s room. They have also told people we were all going out to lunch together as a team when I was eating alone.

I am the youngest and most recent hire at my company. I felt like I had no choice but to ignore it. During the lockdown, we all worked from home and didn’t see each other in person. I thought everything blew over until Jane pulled me aside and told me she didn’t appreciate my flirty tone with her husband even though she knew I was gay and didn’t mean any harm with my texts.

I froze up. I never gave Joe my private number. I apologized to Jane, and now I don’t know what to do. Going to HR feels like blowing everything up to kingdom come; confronting Joe and Mary is a good way to screw over my career; and I don’t feel comfortable going to my bosses. They have made enough off-color jokes that they might know about the affair. What the hell do I do?

— Low Woman on the Pole

Re: This is textbook hostile work environment.

  • I’d go to HR and tell them a coworkers wife confronted you and about the jokes and comments. This is a risk for the company and HRs job is to mitigate risk. If you’re worried about your role actually telling HR is the better move because if someone were to try and fire you, HR is going to put a stop to that to limit a lawsuit alleging retaliation. 
  • This LW sounds young and doesn't have decent professional mentors.  They need to take this letter, mark it up with dates/locations/conversation notes. to HR post-haste.  (Maybe not the literal letter, but YKIM)
  • "Mary and Joe.  You have now involved me in this and it's affecting the workplace.  Your choice is to come clean or I'm going to need to go to HR about the confrontation I experienced because I am innocent in all of this." 
  • banana468 said:
    "Mary and Joe.  You have now involved me in this and it's affecting the workplace.  Your choice is to come clean or I'm going to need to go to HR about the confrontation I experienced because I am innocent in all of this." 
    The only reason I see to not give them a head's up is that managers are 'in on the joke' and I'd be afraid of LW having an end-run done around them if they show their hand.  
  • That's also a good point.  

    LW may also do well to just be honest.  Start to play dumb.  But also look for a new job.
  • I'm confused about her letter.  She said Mary confronted her about her flirty tone with her husband, as in her spouse.  But then the LW makes it sound like Mary was upset about they way the LW was texting with Joe, the coworker.  Unless Mary was referring to Joe as her "work husband"?

    That was all very confusing for me.

    If it was actually Mary's H, than it 's fairly weird the LW would be texting him anyway and should completely stop.

    If it's Joe, and I think that's who the LW/Mary meant, I'm still confused.  How can the LW and Joe be texting, if she never gave him her private number.  I guess they mean their work cell numbers?  But then why mention their private number at all.

    I think this is a fake letter from someone who can't even keep their own story straight, lol.

    But, if not, I think it was a mistake to apologize to Mary about the flirt texting.  Though I realize it's hard to know what to do or say, when you are surprised by something.

    I'll go against the grain and say I still wouldn't get involved or bring it up to HR.  At least not yet.  But I also wouldn't lie for these people either and hope the LW hasn't been doing that.  Like innocently say, "Oh no, you must be mistaken, I didn't go to Happy Hour (or lunch) on Friday with Joe and Mary."

    Although not related to an affair, here is an IRL story that went along those lines.  At a previous job, one of the project managers asked his engineers to voluntarily come in on Saturday.  They would still be paid for their time, but they weren't forced to work on that day.  BUT the manager had a prior engagement and was not going to be there.  One of his guys (John) told him he was coming in on that Saturday and charged it to his time card.  Later that week, their group had a meeting and the PM personally thanked...by name...the people who had worked on that Sat.  The people who had really been there were super confused when he mentioned John.  After the meeting, they had a private discussion with the manager that John had not been there at all.

    John was already on thin ice because he was charging a lot of hours, but didn't have much work to show for it.  Imagine that.  But now it was proven timecard fraud and he was fired shortly afterward.  
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  • MyNameIsNotMyNameIsNot member
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    edited March 2022
    I would first go back to Jane and set the record straight. "You said something to me about texts with Joe the other day. I was distracted by something else and didn't really understand what you were asking about, but I want to clarify that Joe and I don't text. He doesn't have my number." 

    And then high tail it to HR. Some shit is about to go down and you're going to get dragged into it. 
  • @short+sassy LW mentions being gay and being used as a cover. I bet dollars to donuts Joe has Mary saved as LW’s name in their phone, probably also thinking “Jane knows LW is gay, she won’t check these messages.” Wife went through and saw flirty texts and confronted LW. 


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  • levioosa said:
    @short+sassy LW mentions being gay and being used as a cover. I bet dollars to donuts Joe has Mary saved as LW’s name in their phone, probably also thinking “Jane knows LW is gay, she won’t check these messages.” Wife went through and saw flirty texts and confronted LW. 
    Totally agree.  I also think wife is onto something. 

    I do not look at DH's texts.  On occasion I will see that he's messaging a friend but I do not pick up his phone to see what he's saying or the message recipient.  

    Quite frankly IMO if the people in the company are turning a blind eye to the LW's involvement then maybe it is a better option to start to look for other options.  
  • levioosa said:
    @short+sassy LW mentions being gay and being used as a cover. I bet dollars to donuts Joe has Mary saved as LW’s name in their phone, probably also thinking “Jane knows LW is gay, she won’t check these messages.” Wife went through and saw flirty texts and confronted LW. 
    Okay, thank you!  I was totally mixing up who all the people were.  Got it.  This was a conversation with Joe's wife.  

    I still think it was a mistake for the LW to apologize.  I would have been pretty blunt and said something like, "I'm sorry, Jane, but I have no idea what you are talking about.  I don't have Joe's personal number and I don't send him flirty texts.  That's weird he's labeled what sounds like someone else, with my name."
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  • levioosa said:
    @short+sassy LW mentions being gay and being used as a cover. I bet dollars to donuts Joe has Mary saved as LW’s name in their phone, probably also thinking “Jane knows LW is gay, she won’t check these messages.” Wife went through and saw flirty texts and confronted LW. 
    Okay, thank you!  I was totally mixing up who all the people were.  Got it.  This was a conversation with Joe's wife.  

    I still think it was a mistake for the LW to apologize.  I would have been pretty blunt and said something like, "I'm sorry, Jane, but I have no idea what you are talking about.  I don't have Joe's personal number and I don't send him flirty texts.  That's weird he's labeled what sounds like someone else, with my name."
    LW says she froze and apologized. I think she's clear that it was a mistake, but she's the youngest and greenest employee being confronted by a supervisor about a situation that makes her uncomfortable but she has no idea how to handle. I think she gets a little slack for not handling this perfectly.

    That's why I think it would be worthwhile to go back to Jane to "clarify". Jane is on the road to figuring out what's up, and it's going to look like LW is knowingly covering for Joe.
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