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Wedding Woes

Friend group wealth-gap

Dear Prudence,

I’m in my mid-thirties (female) and have a large group of friends from a mutual hobby. “Sarah” (a few years my junior) joined us about a year and a half ago and is a well-established member of the group now. I like her and appreciate having another smart, successful, and confident woman in the mix, but have closer friends. Lately, I have been struggling with Sarah’s attitude toward spending and love of luxury items. Sarah is an engineer and makes a lot of money, which is great! She was also married for a time to a very, very wealthy man. Sarah enjoys spending money on designer clothes and expensive jewelry, which is her business of course, but I find myself rolling my eyes when she speaks about her purchases. She went on a trip to NYC recently and spent a lot of money on designer shoes and a new necklace from a famous high-end jeweler. While she has not talked ad nauseum about the purchases by any means, she’s brought them up a handful of times, and points out the designer of her shoes when she wears them and is complimented on them and mentions how much she enjoyed going to the store and being surrounded by beautiful things. I have heard three times now the story about how when she went into the jeweler’s, she was told by the salesperson, after affirming that it was her first time buying from them, how much she would love the necklace she bought, only to retort that they had misunderstood; she’d been bought many of their pieces, this was only her first time buying for herself.

This is her money, but I am a teacher who grew up in severe poverty and just has a different attitude toward spending. I don’t want those things, frankly, and struggle not to find such excessive spending frivolous and tasteless with everything going on in the world. While Sarah definitely has enough money to buy expensive things and still donate to people in war-torn countries, and may well have for all I know, to flaunt such spending right now seems off. Sometimes when she mentions her big shopping vacation, I find myself thinking about how many classroom supplies these things would buy, or about my students who, like me at that age, might not have enough food at home. I am especially put off by the story that is intended to inform the listener about how many pieces of very expensive jewelry Sarah owns. The anecdote probably would have settled better if I had heard it once, but it doesn’t improve with retelling. It all just seems so very superficial, and I enjoy parts of her personality much better and I wish I could focus more on them, and might be able to if she just wore her shoes without mentioning who made them. What can I do here? I don’t want to be snarky or mean, but I really hate all the shopping talk and find myself starting to wish Sarah wasn’t at so many group functions.

— Holly Go-Anywhere Else 

Re: Friend group wealth-gap

  • Read the room Sarah!

    Sarah has new money and is selfish.  Anyone who grew up with it doesn't flaunt it or bring it up in civilized conversation because that was rude. 

    I think the LW can keep the conversations to the hobby and keep any relationship with Sarah only to the hobby itself.  
  • mrsconn23 said:
    I think this is an issue of Sarah not reading the room, but also that that LW has built up resentment toward Sarah because of the financial gap between them. When you feel resentful of someone, you attack everything they say or do in your head and ascribe intent that may or may not be real or true. 

    LW should stop spending any small group time with Sarah.  But also if LW is in a group with Sarah, they can always choose to have a side conversation with someone and ignore Sarah.  If LW has this massive friend group from the hobby, there has to be someone else whom Sarah rubs the wrong way.  Maybe LW can seek someone out that has similar feelings and they can be aligned in how they deal (or don't deal) with Sarah.  

    And finally, LW could also find some inner snark.  If Sarah does start waxing on about her most recent adventure in spending money, LW could be all, "OMG, all I can think about is how my classroom could be set for years at the cost of those earrings!"  or some such other shit.  I know Sarah may be a person that sucks up all the air in the room, but the funny thing about those people is that sometimes they only need a little prick to be deflated.  
    Yeah - LW could absolutely see if the room reads it the same way she does and could say, "Wow!  Those Louboutin's would stock all the classes in my school with paper and pencils for at least 3 months! " 


  • I see more fault with the LW than with Sarah.  People talk about things they purchase.  All the time.  But I suspect it is only obnoxious for the LW when those items are expensive, luxury goods.  Because that is the only difference with Sarah.  She was excited about her recent trip and especially excited about a necklace.  That is one of her hobbies, so she talks about it.  Possibly a little bragging and possibly a little obnoxious to be telling the same story multiple times but, again, I think we are all guilty of that sometimes.

    I see it more as the LW knows logically that Sarah can do what she wants with her money.  But, in her heart, the LW does not feel that way at all so she is massively judging Sarah.

    Which is fine.  She can dislike Sarah if she wants to, because she feels Sarah should be more of a philanthropist.  But it certainly isn't her place to tell Sarah to stop talking about her purchases and the designers she is buying.  Avoid Sarah and move on to other conversations, if she bugs her that much.  Though I also wouldn't think it is out of place for the LW to make an indirect comment that compares "designer shoes" with needed school supplies.

    I'd also like to point out the LW has NO IDEA how much Sarah gives to charity.  She might give far more money to charities, including her local public school system, than she does on her luxury purchases.  I would actually find it more gauche if she talked about all the money she donated to X and Y charities, than I would if she excitedly showed me her new Versace purse (without telling me the cost).
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  • I see more fault with the LW than with Sarah.  People talk about things they purchase.  All the time.  But I suspect it is only obnoxious for the LW when those items are expensive, luxury goods.  Because that is the only difference with Sarah.  She was excited about her recent trip and especially excited about a necklace.  That is one of her hobbies, so she talks about it.  Possibly a little bragging and possibly a little obnoxious to be telling the same story multiple times but, again, I think we are all guilty of that sometimes.

    I see it more as the LW knows logically that Sarah can do what she wants with her money.  But, in her heart, the LW does not feel that way at all so she is massively judging Sarah.

    Which is fine.  She can dislike Sarah if she wants to, because she feels Sarah should be more of a philanthropist.  But it certainly isn't her place to tell Sarah to stop talking about her purchases and the designers she is buying.  Avoid Sarah and move on to other conversations, if she bugs her that much.  Though I also wouldn't think it is out of place for the LW to make an indirect comment that compares "designer shoes" with needed school supplies.

    I'd also like to point out the LW has NO IDEA how much Sarah gives to charity.  She might give far more money to charities, including her local public school system, than she does on her luxury purchases.  I would actually find it more gauche if she talked about all the money she donated to X and Y charities, than I would if she excitedly showed me her new Versace purse (without telling me the cost).
    I don't think the LW is that misunderstood.  The person made a point to say "I've purchased jewelry from your store several times before now and had to work that into conversation."  This isn't Julia Roberts saying, "Big mistake - HUGE," as she shakes her shopping bags.  The "friend" is flaunting how much she spends at the designer level.  

    The friend is obtuse.   If others aren't saying "Oh I love my LV Neverfull too," or, "Yeah, the Tory Burch flats are my favorites because they're so comfortable," then she's either not getting that the rest of the room just can't complete OR she's doing it BECAUSE the rest of the room can't compete.   

    I wouldn't say I'm immersed in wealthy circles but I interned at a financial company 20 years ago in a company based in DH's hometown that happens to be one of the wealthiest in the country (side note: his family joke is that they're old money just not a lot of it) -  (Stepford Wives is based on that town).  It wasn't unheard of for me to park my tiny Saturn at the local diner between a Maserati and a new Hummer.  The people who lived there for years did mention their shoes or bags or things of high cost even though they were paid salaries 20 years ago that I still can't dream of.  The people who flaunted cash and talked about things were few and clearly the most insecure.
  • I think that LW can have their own hang-ups about wealth and flaunting large or designer purchases that is informed by their background and may make them very sensitive to people like Sarah.  And I think that Sarah can be a nice person, but extremely clueless how she comes off when she waxes on and on about what she buys and trips she takes and so on and so forth.  And Sarah may donate to charity and help people cross the street in her free time, but doesn't talk about that.  

    LW either needs to call it out (and there's ways to do it and not be a dick), try to avoid Sarah, or continue to live in seething, silent resentment.  What LW can't do is expect that Sarah will change anything via LW's 'vibes' of disapproval. 
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