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Wedding Woes

Don't have them over?

Dear Prudence,

My wife suffers from a serious autoimmune disease and has essentially not left our house for three years. I quit my job after they tried to make me come back in instead of working remotely. Family events have been carefully socially distant and with masks on. Now that everyone in the family has been vaccinated, we thought life could go back to normal.

That is, until my brother started dating “Katie.” Katie is a single mother of three and hasn’t bothered to teach her kids basic hygiene. They openly cough without covering their mouths, use their hands to wipe their noses and touch everything, and don’t even wash their hands after going to the bathroom. They are walking little germ factories. The three times we have visited while Katie’s kids were there, my wife got sick as a dog and missed days and days of work. Despite explaining about my wife’s condition, Katie continues to do nothing except get defensive.

Last time, the kids did wear masks—if it can be called wearing a mask when it is attached to your chin and not covering the mouth and nose. I told her son to wash his hands after playing fetch with the dog before he tried to get some salsa and chips. I wasn’t rude, I just said “hey, little man, go wash your hands. We don’t want to get dog slobber on the food.” Katie sent me death glares the rest of night and a message through my brother about how inconsiderate and rude I was. It isn’t my place to “parent” her kids. I did lose my temper and regrettably said to my brother that obviously someone has to because Katie sure wasn’t. He knows my wife’s condition and how awful the pandemic has been. Idiots are ready to murder her because they think a mask mandate is basically the Taliban. My brother told me that my wife and I will have to get over it, because he loves Katie and they are here to stay. And moreover, we should just not come to Easter with our parents. My parents told me they aren’t getting in the middle. What can my wife and I possibly do?

— New Normal

Re: Don't have them over?

  • Can you just keep your distance??  

    There has to be more to this though.  If the parents aren't getting in the middle of this then it also makes me wonder how the LW is especially if he's losing his temper.  

    Young kids are gross - full stop.  So there's probably plenty of issues in this but at the same time it makes me wonder how often everyone in the kids' house is sick..  

    It seems like an ESH where the LW also alienated the brother by yelling and the brother is not helping at all by not teaching the kids about basics.  And the parents aren't helping if they aren't speaking up about their DIL's AI disorder.
  • This went from 0 to 100. Going from kids being gross to saying they want to murder your wife is a bit much. 

    You need to clearly communicate to your entire family (brother and parents in particular) how getting sick can affect your wife’s condition and what reasonable actions you’d like people to take when you’re around. If they are not willing to do that then yes they’re AHs and you have to decide whether or not you want to be around them. 

    But also you can’t lose your temper on people’s kids when they forget to wash their hands at an event with people they haven’t seen in a while. 
    And in situations like that, pick out the food for the wife so she's not eating communal items.  There are at least ways to work around the food situation so she has chips and a tiny bowl of dip to herself.  
  • They have already explained to Katie the steps that need to be taken to protect the wife.  Some of this will be out of Katie's control because they are kids.  But it sounds like she isn't trying either.

    However, the other part of the problem is the LW sounds very intolerant and disapproving of her.  Both he and his brother seem like they have anger problems.

    For the wife's safety, she needs to avoid any outings where Katie's kids will be there.  At least until they are older.  But there is already so much bad blood now, this will probably sever the relationship with the brother.
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  • Besides the kids, everyone is wrong here.  

    LW, understandably, has been a caregiver for years now and the pandemic has probably exacerbated how suffocating it can be to be in that position.  Clearly, LW needs to gain some perspective on the situation and adjust their expectations of the world around them.  

    Brother, if he cares for LW and/or LW's wife, should be more sensitive.  But pandemic burnout is real and if LW has been harping for years about how fragile their wife is, on top of all of the discourse and 'fighting' out there about Covid, masks, vaccines, etc, then I can understand where his patience is running thin. 

    Katie is new to all of this and if she's gotten nothing but hostility, derision, and harping about her kids from LW, I can totally see why she's very 'fuck this guy' about LW.  Yes, kids should wash their hands and all that, but I even forget sometimes to wash my hands when I get home from the store or when I've been out of the house for any reason.  Vigilance is not sustainable and exhausting...so is parenting.  

    And the parents shouldn't be refereeing any of this.  As long as they are understanding of DIL's condition and do what they can to help mitigate exposing her to anything, then they don't need to take 'sides' here.  

    Finally, LW's wife has her own agency here.  If she knows these kids cause her issues, then she needs to do what she can to protect herself.  Separate bowls/plates/servings, distance, recommending the kids are kept to certain areas of the house and she can remove herself if she feels she should for her protection.  

    LW's letter reads like they are extremely burnt out and uncorked at the very wrong time and on the wrong people.  They can fix this, but they need to own their behavior and how they could do better. LW could maybe use some therapy to help manage all of this because it's a lot. 
  • mrsconn23 said:
    Besides the kids, everyone is wrong here.  

    LW, understandably, has been a caregiver for years now and the pandemic has probably exacerbated how suffocating it can be to be in that position.  Clearly, LW needs to gain some perspective on the situation and adjust their expectations of the world around them.  

    Brother, if he cares for LW and/or LW's wife, should be more sensitive.  But pandemic burnout is real and if LW has been harping for years about how fragile their wife is, on top of all of the discourse and 'fighting' out there about Covid, masks, vaccines, etc, then I can understand where his patience is running thin. 

    Katie is new to all of this and if she's gotten nothing but hostility, derision, and harping about her kids from LW, I can totally see why she's very 'fuck this guy' about LW.  Yes, kids should wash their hands and all that, but I even forget sometimes to wash my hands when I get home from the store or when I've been out of the house for any reason.  Vigilance is not sustainable and exhausting...so is parenting.  

    And the parents shouldn't be refereeing any of this.  As long as they are understanding of DIL's condition and do what they can to help mitigate exposing her to anything, then they don't need to take 'sides' here.  

    Finally, LW's wife has her own agency here.  If she knows these kids cause her issues, then she needs to do what she can to protect herself.  Separate bowls/plates/servings, distance, recommending the kids are kept to certain areas of the house and she can remove herself if she feels she should for her protection.  

    LW's letter reads like they are extremely burnt out and uncorked at the very wrong time and on the wrong people.  They can fix this, but they need to own their behavior and how they could do better. LW could maybe use some therapy to help manage all of this because it's a lot. 
    I think that's really well-said.  

    We're also now in a phase where it feels like we're entering a "new normal".  With CDC guidance no longer asking for masks in medical facilities I just realized last week that I was the only one wearing a mask at the dermatologist's office. 

    And it is SO HARD to get kids to stick to the right habits.  Every day and I mean EVERY DAY when the kids come home I'm telling them to wash their hands, shower, wash after using the bathroom, etc.  I may not be up for parenting awards but I don't think I suck and would hope that if my kids don't do it immediately it doesn't mean, "Banana sucks" but well...kids are kids.  

    LW likely is doing this from a place of loving their spouse.  But his brother is doing this in a place of loving the GF and the kids.    And if there's anything we have learned or should learn it's tactics like, "You're an idiot for doing this.  Why aren't you fixing it and then we can get along," aren't going to work ever. 
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