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Wedding Woes

Just listen

Dear Prudence,

I would like some advice on how to be supportive to my sister, Bea, who’s going through a tough divorce.

Some context: We have a large family of 11. Bea was the oldest girl and I the youngest girl, and we grew up really close. Our parents have their good points, but they tend to be overly critical and compare all of us. Think straight-A bookworm kid (me) being compared to sporty social butterfly kid (Bea), and our parents preferred the grades. I want to be very clear: I think these things are value-neutral. But our parents’ running commentary did real damage to Bea’s self-esteem when we were teenagers, and as an adult she has picked up the habit of comparing us, which I try to push back on.

Now, we’re in our twenties and thirties, and she’s going through a contentious divorce with an abusive man that our mom never approved of to begin with. And because the universe has either the best or worst sense of timing, this has all happened just after I got engaged to my long-term partner. You can imagine the ammunition this has given everyone. I realize this habit of our family is toxic, and I’ve spoken up and managed to get at least my mom to cut it out, but not everyone, and not Bea.

On the one hand, I think it’s good that she’s identifying positive things about my relationship and saying “I deserve to have that too” (she does!); on the other hand, it feels like she’s actively hurting her own feelings. She approaches it like it’s her fault that she failed to “achieve” a better partner. Having conversations with her around this feels exhausting and like an emotional minefield, and it doesn’t feel like my attempts to reframe things are having any effect. She’s suffering and I want to be there for her, but I don’t know how to navigate this. I wonder if it would be better for me to be less “in the picture” right now, but I don’t want her to feel abandoned. Do you have any advice?

Re: Just listen

  • Just be there for your sister.  Don't let her insult you but know she's going through a lot.  
  • Just be there and listen. That's the best advice I can give, having gone through this myself. The best thing anyone ever did for me was just listen. And when you think she's ready for it, gently suggest therapy. 
  • You are not the person in charge of your sister's feelings.  Right now, just listen. When she's ready to hear you, suggest therapy b/c you care about her.  And good for you for pushing back on your parents for your sister.

    Hell, I still sometimes can get on myself about the "failure" of two relationships, but I reframe into "the relationship reached it's ending point" and try to move from there.
  • Not really answering the question, but I have to rant.

    This might be an UO, but I cannot stand people who have a huge number of children.  I guess I shouldn't say "never", but it's unlikely people can be good parents when their emotional/physical/financial resources are stretched that thin.

    And I can almost guarantee you that Bea, being the oldest and a girl, was expected to be a de-facto parent to all her siblings.

    I doubt anyone would have very good grades when they are expected to help cook, clean, and take care of 10 younger children.  The LW should remind her parents of THAT.  Though I realize that's easier said than done.

    For a famous person example, Loretta Lynn was the second oldest of 8 children and the oldest daughter.  Her life of helping her mom take care of so many children was so bad and such a struggle, that she got married at 15 to some guy she'd only known for a month just to get away from it.  It was a tough marriage because he was a serial cheater.  But she loved him and they were married for almost 50 years, until his death.

    In comparison, her youngest sibling is Crystal Gayle.  She had a MUCH softer childhood.  And you can literally hear those differences in their music and even their voices.
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  • S&S, I totally agree about large families. There's no way you can convince me that either parent is able to be there emotionally/physically for all of those children. And from what I've seen too, it's the oldest that end up having to take care of the younger ones. IMO they all suffer, but the older ones probably more. 
  • S&S, I totally agree about large families. There's no way you can convince me that either parent is able to be there emotionally/physically for all of those children. And from what I've seen too, it's the oldest that end up having to take care of the younger ones. IMO they all suffer, but the older ones probably more. 
    I know one family with 6 kids. A few of them are biological but the others they have adopted out of the fostering they did. She knows about this complaint and so she says that they try to do individual things with each kid at every opportunity, but that also means that they basically have no time for themselves then.

    One of my good friends is the oldest of 9, and while she said that they only each got one extracurricular and she would never have been able to do the travel softball that #7 did, I haven't gotten the impression that she felt neglected or a surrogate mother at any point. She does love having so many brothers and sisters - there is always someone whose personality you mesh with or who will share your interest in something.
  • Having married into a family where there are some extended groups with lots of kids I think it's possible to make it work but it's not something to be done lightly and I'm very much against the concept of using the children as childcare. What I do see in some of those families is that it's more unlikely for kids in bigger families to be in a highly time-consuming activity.     
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