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Wedding Woes

Borrowing trouble rarely leads anywhere fun.

Dear Prudence,

I (37F) have a dilemma. My husband (52M) “Harry” and I have been married for nearly 10 years, with three young children. We have multiple businesses and houses together, we go on dates regularly, we’ve traveled extensively with our kids, and I would consider ours to be a happy marriage. Candidly, our relationship began in the shadows, as he was still legally married to his first wife—“Linda” (54F)—though it was in the process of divorce for quite some time before we met. He has two children in their 20s with Linda, one of whom has special needs and is in a post-high school program (in our very good school district), so she is dropped off daily by her mother to take the bus.

Linda and Harry regularly communicate regarding their daughter’s schedule, etc., so it’s not unusual for her name to pop up on his phone. I am generally not a jealous person, but with Linda, I sometimes let “first wife insecurity” creep in—my husband does a lot for her at her house (i.e. fixing stuff, checking on her car, etc.), still pays many bills for her, drives her to the airport, etc. He also regularly takes our children to visit their older sisters at Linda’s house, often for hours at a time. Sometimes it feels excessive, or beyond what I would consider a normal and amicable divorce situation. When I’ve addressed my insecurities with Harry to try to talk through my feelings, it’s not gone well—he gets defensive and says that it’s the least he could do after divorcing her. Linda did not want the divorce; she begged him to stay, and before our wedding, Linda told Harry that it “wasn’t too late to come back.” My husband has been adamant in the past that he respects Linda but there is nothing romantic between them whatsoever. So, the Linda Topic is a difficult one to broach.

Recently, my husband left his phone on the counter with his texts up and I saw Linda right at the top, lots of emojis in the message (from her, not him). While I have literally never gone through his phone ever before, jealousy got the best of me and I snooped.

I scrolled through a few weeks’ worth of correspondences, most of which were related to their daughter but some were banter with things like Linda saying she needed to cook for him soon as a thank you for something he had done for her recently, Harry teasing her about how she looks in the morning, etc. I went cold. Is this just familiar chatting between people who have known each other for 30-plus years? Is this more? Even reading back what I’ve written, it feels obvious to my spiraling mind that there is a red flag.

I don’t know what to do. Should I confess that I snooped and ask him about the texts? Am I being paranoid? I love my husband, I love our family, and I don’t want to cause unnecessary strife if I’m overreacting. Even if nothing is going on, I feel like there need to be better boundaries with his ex-wife, and I don’t know how to address that. Please help!

–Second Wife, Second Fiddle?

Re: Borrowing trouble rarely leads anywhere fun.

  • Talk to your H.  It sounds like he may continue to try to be flirtatious with her at best but you need to lay out to him that he needs to validate your concerns.  


  • I assume she included her two "best" examples in the letter.  None of that sounds like a red flag to me.  I also don't think most of his actions sound excessive or like boundary crossing either.  Maybe on the ex-wife's part, but then the LW already knows that she at least previously still wanted him back.  Though even that was 10 years ago.

    If they were having an affair or if he was even thinking about it, I'd think there would have been much more damaging text messages than that.

    More food for thought.  The LW might have been welcome at the ex-wife's house for the hours long visits with the daughters if she hadn't been his mistress first.
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  • Agree with @short+sassy, nothing alarming in those examples.  I’d be irked at the time spent with her which wasn’t kid related but I’d also have to put at the back of my mind “he’s an ex for a reason”. 

  • I assume she included her two "best" examples in the letter.  None of that sounds like a red flag to me.  I also don't think most of his actions sound excessive or like boundary crossing either.  Maybe on the ex-wife's part, but then the LW already knows that she at least previously still wanted him back.  Though even that was 10 years ago.

    If they were having an affair or if he was even thinking about it, I'd think there would have been much more damaging text messages than that.

    More food for thought.  The LW might have been welcome at the ex-wife's house for the hours long visits with the daughters if she hadn't been his mistress first.
    I dunno about the last part. This either went two ways: the marriage was over but they maintained a good co-parenting relationship or husband said it was over but it was not. If LW isn't lying (to herself and to Prudie) and the relationship truly was over a long time before, I'm not going begrudge them dating. Sometimes paperwork takes years to finalize. That doesn't mean you can't date during that time.  I do have a sneaking suspicion that the divorce was because of having a special needs child, and that's also why he feels so guilty. Or he could just be a total ass and the relationship wasn't really over, and he's cheating. 


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  • levioosa said:
    I assume she included her two "best" examples in the letter.  None of that sounds like a red flag to me.  I also don't think most of his actions sound excessive or like boundary crossing either.  Maybe on the ex-wife's part, but then the LW already knows that she at least previously still wanted him back.  Though even that was 10 years ago.

    If they were having an affair or if he was even thinking about it, I'd think there would have been much more damaging text messages than that.

    More food for thought.  The LW might have been welcome at the ex-wife's house for the hours long visits with the daughters if she hadn't been his mistress first.
    I dunno about the last part. This either went two ways: the marriage was over but they maintained a good co-parenting relationship or husband said it was over but it was not. If LW isn't lying (to herself and to Prudie) and the relationship truly was over a long time before, I'm not going begrudge them dating. Sometimes paperwork takes years to finalize. That doesn't mean you can't date during that time.  I do have a sneaking suspicion that the divorce was because of having a special needs child, and that's also why he feels so guilty. Or he could just be a total ass and the relationship wasn't really over, and he's cheating. 
    I totally agree with this.  I don't have much issue with a married couple who are already separated.  Who BOTH know the divorce has started.  And are dating other people if they want to.

    But the way she described it in the letter got my spidey senses tingling.  "In the process of divorce for quite some time before we met".  The word "process" instead of "filed", makes me suspicious she was given a story like "our marriage has been over for quite some time and I'm planning to divorce her".  She even says it started in the shadows.

    Even if things were more innocent and Linda was well aware the whole time that they were divorcing and he'd be dating other people, I can still understand why she would want to limit her time with the LW and doesn't invite her to the house.  In that case, it wouldn't be anybody's fault.  But just an unfortunate consequence of Linda being sad about her marriage ending.

    I'm also only assuming the LW isn't invited.  Maybe she's the one who chooses to keep her distance.
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  • If they were having an affair he probably wouldn’t be leaving his phone out with the texts open. 

    But it doesn’t have to be an affair for it to hurt you. Before you talk to him, and you should talk to him, you should sit with your feelings here- what is it that bothers you the most? The texting at all? How familiar and close they are? That they talk at all? The going to the house are fixing things? Meals?  Some of those are reasonable to be upset about and some aren’t. They have children, one with special needs, together so they will always be connected and in each others lives. I’d say figure out what it is that feels like he’s crossing the line and address that thing. Don’t lump it all together because one that’s more likely to put him on the defensive and two he will have a relationship with her regardless so figure out what it is that you are comfortable with. 

    Also- you can’t force him but you can clearly say what makes you uncomfortable. 
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    levioosa said:
    I assume she included her two "best" examples in the letter.  None of that sounds like a red flag to me.  I also don't think most of his actions sound excessive or like boundary crossing either.  Maybe on the ex-wife's part, but then the LW already knows that she at least previously still wanted him back.  Though even that was 10 years ago.

    If they were having an affair or if he was even thinking about it, I'd think there would have been much more damaging text messages than that.

    More food for thought.  The LW might have been welcome at the ex-wife's house for the hours long visits with the daughters if she hadn't been his mistress first.
    I dunno about the last part. This either went two ways: the marriage was over but they maintained a good co-parenting relationship or husband said it was over but it was not. If LW isn't lying (to herself and to Prudie) and the relationship truly was over a long time before, I'm not going begrudge them dating. Sometimes paperwork takes years to finalize. That doesn't mean you can't date during that time.  I do have a sneaking suspicion that the divorce was because of having a special needs child, and that's also why he feels so guilty. Or he could just be a total ass and the relationship wasn't really over, and he's cheating. 
    I totally agree with this.  I don't have much issue with a married couple who are already separated.  Who BOTH know the divorce has started.  And are dating other people if they want to.

    But the way she described it in the letter got my spidey senses tingling.  "In the process of divorce for quite some time before we met".  The word "process" instead of "filed", makes me suspicious she was given a story like "our marriage has been over for quite some time and I'm planning to divorce her".  She even says it started in the shadows.

    Even if things were more innocent and Linda was well aware the whole time that they were divorcing and he'd be dating other people, I can still understand why she would want to limit her time with the LW and doesn't invite her to the house.  In that case, it wouldn't be anybody's fault.  But just an unfortunate consequence of Linda being sad about her marriage ending.

    I'm also only assuming the LW isn't invited.  Maybe she's the one who chooses to keep her distance.
    This plus the fact that LW is 15 years younger and was mid-20s when they started dating screams that it was not on the up and up to me. 

    I'm thinking LW knows who her husband is.
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