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Wedding Woes

No good deed goes unpunished.

Dear Prudence,

I (31F) am in a small group of very close friends, with “Jane” (30F) being my childhood best friend. She and “Walt” (37M) had a child 13 months ago. Since then, their marriage has suffered. There’s constant tension between them. My heart aches for them. Neither of them is the villain.

I’m not a couples therapist, but I am a counselor. Jane trusts my perspective. I love supporting her, but it’s becoming increasingly difficult. She’ll say she wants advice, and then gets frustrated when I provide it. She’ll want to vent without me giving advice, and then is disappointed when I don’t offer it anyway. She demands a lot of my time and sulks when she doesn’t get it; I see her two to three times weekly, work full-time, and can’t give more. I’m devastated that she’s suffering, but I’m held to unattainable standards—her expectations for Walt have transitioned onto me. We had a surprisingly tense exchange, where at her explicit request I pointed her to some free resources for communication. She snapped at me: The situation will never improve. She and Walt are forever damaged, and I need to stop intervening. I decided that if she asks for input, it’s best if I don’t give it and just remain sympathetic.

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We love them. They clearly need support outside of the free childcare we provide. But the vibe is such a bummer! We desperately want to help—but their marriage is none of our business. We have begun spending more time together without them. I’m torn between feeling relieved, and guilty that we have scaled back. How do we help them through this, without sacrificing one of our entire weekend days to their bickering and sullen silences?  And, perhaps more importantly, how do I balance Jane’s needs with my own?

—Nunya

Re: No good deed goes unpunished.

  • Sometimes being a good friend is standing up for yourself and being clear.

    But man, that age sucks.  And there's a reason people say you shouldn't have kids to help your marriage - because sleep deprived parents of a moving cranky toddler who have few words are just burned out.  
  • The LW definitely needs to extricate herself from this.  Especially since Jane complained the LW is intervening.

    Unfortunately, it sounds like part of that is telling Jane they need to cut down on the conversations about Walt.  It's okay if the LW and her partner need to spend less time with them right now.  It's better to do that and hope they don't notice or don't ask, then tell them even nicely that "you all are too miserable to hang around right now, so we need to cut our time shorter".

    I had a similar situation in college, at least the second part.  My BFF (S) set me up on a blind date with a friend she knew from high school.  He and I hit it off and went out for about two years.  But he and I were both in college (different ones) and worked p/t jobs, so we could only spend time together on the weekends and even that was limited due to studying.  About 6 months into that relationship, she started dating this horrible guy (P).

    We all got into a habit of a double date Friday and sometimes spent time with them over the rest of the weekend.  But it wasn't long before they were arguing all the time.  My b/f and I also hated the way he treated her.  He and I talked about it for a few weeks and finally decided to have an "intervention" with her.  It went about as well as you would picture two 19-year-olds doing one, lol.

    We mentioned how things didn't seem to be going well with P.  That they argued all the time and sometimes he was dismissive of her.  Is she okay?  Is she happy? Does she really want to stay with him?  Of course, she assures us everything is fine.  Then we lower the boom.  That she is one of our closest friends and we're happy to spend time with her when she doesn't have plans with P.  But we need to limit the time we spend with them as a couple because it's usually unpleasant and uncomfortable, due to all the arguing.

    Looking back, I wish we had made excuses and just stopped spending as much time with them.  But we were naively hoping she would "see the light" when we pointed out how miserable she was with him.  It didn't end the friendship right away.  But did put a wedge in it and we grew apart and stopped calling/hanging out.  Though she called me out of the blue a couple years later and we rekindled our friendship.  Her and P had broken up by then.

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  • @short+sassy - When LW says "we are spending time without them" I think she's talking about the group of close friends that she mentions in the beginning, not her own partner. 

    Anyway, I think LW needs to be direct here. Also, if Jane is like this, I have to wonder if it's really true that there is no villain. It sounds like she's pretty selfish and obnoxious. 
  • @short+sassy - When LW says "we are spending time without them" I think she's talking about the group of close friends that she mentions in the beginning, not her own partner. 

    Anyway, I think LW needs to be direct here. Also, if Jane is like this, I have to wonder if it's really true that there is no villain. It sounds like she's pretty selfish and obnoxious. 
    That was how I interpreted it also.  Like the "we" is referencing her and her partner don't want to spend as much time with Jane/Walt.  Sorry if the way I wrote my response was confusing, lol!
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  • Oh, that's what I'm saying. I don't think the we is LW's partner. I think the we is the friend group. That's why it's awkward that they're excluding Jane. 
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