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Let them eat Tofu

Dear Prudence,

Since my mother-in-law retired to Florida five years ago, I have been saddled with the traditional Thanksgiving gathering because our home has four bedrooms and a large kitchen. My five in-laws and their families all live in much smaller places. Their offers to “help” don’t involve much beyond bringing a pumpkin pie they picked up at the supermarket.

The only exception was “Carissa,” my brother-in-law’s then-girlfriend and now new wife. Carissa is lovely, kind, and helpful. She’s also vegan. But she’s not preachy and was a professional chef. Seriously, her food is usually the first to go at potlucks and she even got my picky toddler nephew to eat tofu and veggies. They recently bought a new house and wanted to host Thanksgiving this year. Everyone was all for it, especially me. Then my brother-in-law said it would be all vegan and cooked by Carissa. So everyone lost their minds. They cried that it was tyranny and forcing an alternative lifestyle down their throats. They said it would ruin Thanksgiving.

I told everyone to stuff it and that if they wanted a traditional Thanksgiving, they should stay home and cook themselves—my husband and I would be enjoying Carissa’s fantastic feast. My husband reluctantly backs me up but everyone else is whining and crying about the “ruined” holiday, especially my mother-in-law. I pointed out that we have had ham, prime rib, and even chicken instead of turkey before on the holiday, and no one cared. Carissa is a much better cook than me and alternating holidays is more than fair. Or everyone could meet up at a restaurant and pay their own way. Carissa and her husband privately thanked me but are worried about causing a family feud. I think they are just full of hot air. If they can go to rival schools and cheer rival football teams, they can eat delicious vegan food once every few years. Call it my line in the sand. What do we do next?

Re: Let them eat Tofu

  • The way I see it, everyone else can decline the invitation and I will be happy to take home delicious vegan leftovers.  People have just got to stop pretending that "alternative" foods (my eyes are rolling so hard), isn't still FOOD, just prepared in a way you might not be familiar with.

    Man, I'd be so petty as to grab some of the lab-created meat, that tastes EXACTLY like meat, have them enjoy it, and then SURPRISE!!!
  • "What is the solution that you propose here?  The host is declaring it a vegan fest.  Are you offering to take on the hosting duties this year?  Surely you're not telling grown adults what to serve in the house!" 
  • downtondivadowntondiva member
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    edited November 2024
    I won't lie, I wouldn't exactly be jumping for joy over a vegan Thanksgiving dinner, but I also would never expect anyone to serve food in their own home that went against their ethics/beliefs. I also wouldn't turn down an opportunity to see loved ones just because there wasn't going to be turkey. 

    LW should go ahead and plan to spend the holiday with Carissa and her family and enjoy getting a break, and if anyone complains to LW about the vegan food again, respond that they are welcome to make alternate plans if it's so offensive.
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  • I won't lie, I wouldn't exactly be jumping for joy over a vegan Thanksgiving dinner, but I also would never expect anyone to serve food in their own home that went against their ethics/beliefs. I also wouldn't turn down an opportunity to see loved ones just because there wasn't going to be turkey. 

    LW should go ahead and plan to spend the holiday with Carissa and her family and enjoy getting a break, and if anyone complains to LW about the vegan food again, respond that they are welcome to make alternate plans if it's so offensive.
    Yeah this.  But if I was going to eat at the home of a chef and I didn't have to clean my house?  Yeah - I'll make a turkey another day for the 4 of us. 
  • I am stressing out about Christmas. My cousin's gf is meeting all of us for the first time and she is a STRICT vegan. Luckily I don't think she's the type to get upset if other people eat meat around her, but I like to be inclusive, and trying to figure out some vegan dishes is stressing me out. I am a pretty decent Holiday dinner chef, but vegan food is a whole different ball game. I think my Aunt already told my cousin he was in charge of preparing food she could eat, but I still want to be inclusive and welcoming, especially since they are traveling from out of state. 

    If the family wants meat so badly, they can cook and bring something. Otherwise I'd be enjoying the vegan meal (although I might bring a side of turkey because TG without turkey sounds sacrilegious). 


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  • VarunaTTVarunaTT member
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    edited November 2024
    @leviosaa lentil meatloaf is delicious and easy to make.  Sides in general at Thanksgiving are usually okay.  I use plant butter, County Crock avocado, and I think it's more flavorful than regular butter, and that would be great.  Are there other things you're looking for?  Usually it's pretty easy to prepare vegan food, but if you're trying to do "normal" food with vegan substitutions, that can get a bit hairy, but I can help.  Vegetarian chili would also be a nice easy option.

    ETA:  I've also made a vegan butternut squash lasagna that was delicious and I was fighting off meat eating friends b/c they had more options, to leave it alone.  :D
  • Oops, sorry, saw it was Christmas.  But generally sides are easy for vegans, b/c they're usually veggies.
  • VarunaTT said:
    Oops, sorry, saw it was Christmas.  But generally sides are easy for vegans, b/c they're usually veggies.
    All of my sides have either broth (which sure, could be veggie), dairy, or eggs or a combo of all. I was absolutely psyched to do my honey roasted veggies with goat cheese for Christmas. I supposed I could use agave and skip the cheese (or have it on the side) but I don't feel like it will be the same. I'll have to give it a whirl before. I'm cool with vegans for the most part, but honey makes me irrationally annoyed for some reason. It doesn't hurt the bees! Why won't you eat it!?  

    My sides are usually salad (easy peasy to make vegan), stuffing, mac n cheese, roasted veggies, sweet potato casserole, mashed potatoes. Basically some of the stuff I know can be vegan, but I also know it won't be as good. You will never convince me that vegan butter is as good as real butter lol. 

    I'll take your vegan meatloaf recipe, because that sounds chock full of fiber and yummy in general. 


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  • I think it really depends.  Most of my friends have commented when they've eaten the butter on toast/breads about how good it tasted.  But the stuff that's more margarine like is blech and there's one that everyone else has raved about that I thought was disgusting, Earth something or other.  The Country Crock one is tasty though.

    I'll dig up the lentil meatloaf and try to get it to you tomorrow.  Lots of breads are easy to swap out with a flax egg, b/c it's just different science of binding.  Honestly, most vegan swaps are just different food science that we're not familiar with.  Agar agar is basically a thickener, for instance, and used in a lot of baking.  As far as mac and cheese, I think vegan mac and cheese is better -- it has more flavor and umami than just THIS IS CHEESE!!!!.  I used my base for it, for my nacho party, didn't feel like making one traditional.  Everyone kept asking me if it was vegan, I said yes, and they didn't believe me.  You just need to soak your cashews overnight (8-10 hours at least) and have a really good blender.  Several friends took the recipe.

    I used to host a lot of dinner parties, b/c it was fun.  I kinda fell out of the habit, but I should start up again.
  • @VarunaTT I mean, I kind of take affront to the cheese slander, but it sounds good. 


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  • OMG, the whiners!

    My husband and I make Thanksgiving dinner for just the two of us, every year.  Though often have at least a neighbor or two join us.  They always bring home-cooked sides.  Always appreciated, never asked for.

    Other than a studio apartment, I rarely see kitchens smaller than mine.

    The other relatives can't host a big group of people.  I get it.  But they can cook a turkey breast and a couple sides for their own families on Friday or Saturday.  Not that hard.  All grocery stores have frozen traditional Thanksgiving sides.  Many have fresh sides that can be ordered from the deli if the relatives are just that anti-cooking.

    NGL, I want a traditional spread over the Thanksgiving weekend.  But it doesn't have to be on Thanksgiving.  If it were me, I would not breathe a word of complaint.  Offer to bring a vegan side.  Enjoy being hosted by my BIL and lovely new SIL in their new house.  Try at least a little bit of everything, go back for seconds on my faves.  Spend time with family.  Help with clean up.

    Then make my Jimmy Dean sausage filled stuffing the next day and cook some turkey.  Or at least get a rotisserie chicken if I'm feeling lazy.
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  • I also hated the Earth Balance stuff, but we use smart balance and the country crock avocado. I’m a huge Mac and cheese fan and you can do a good vegan one.

    id also live the butternut squash lasagna recipe!
  • Sounds like the ILs are going to miss out then *shrugs*. Nothing wrong with rotating homes and if the rest of the family skips, that's on them.  It's immature of them to say that the holiday is ruined.

    I don't have experience with vegan food, so it's not the same, but my own Thanksgiving plate rarely even has meat on it, there are too many tasty starches and veggies to choose from.
  • VarunaTTVarunaTT member
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    @charlotte989875 That was it!!  That stuff was gross AF, I was like, People are eating this?  I'd rather go without.

    @levioosa I do love cheese, but as I'm getting older, I'm suspecting both lactose intolerance and a casein intolerance.  There are some low lactose cheeses and other no lactose dairy products (like custard) that still make me feel terrible and it's not worth it.  But also, vegan cheeses are really starting to get good and I don't feel bereft anymore.  I really want to try the Rebel Cheese subscription, but I think that'll have to wait a bit.  The only thing they really haven't mastered is shredded cheeses, but there are even some that are good at melting as slices now.

    Honey is a weird point of controversy and I can see both sides.  For better or worse, humans have changed how animals produce things and there's not really a going back point, that doesn't hurt the animals for generations.  So, bees have been bred to create more honey that they need for winter and good bee practices take that extra honey.  There are people who think humans have enslaved animals by changing them to feed us for monetary reasons, and really, they're not wrong.  Some of the changes have made animals reliant on us and sick and like...not a great custodian of the earth/nature balance.  In my experience, the main difference in most vegans are those who are doing it b/c of animal suffering (and they can get militant and rude) and those who use it for health or some other reason (and they can also get militant and rude).  I try not to be militant or rude; I also think there's a casual/rude dismissal of food that can be very tasty and healthy.  And it's a different food science and I love food science.  I wish I'd studied that in college, but I didn't even know about it.  I'm kinda moderate in my veganism and right now, I'm having to eat meat.  I need easy protein to help with the quitting drinking and perimenopause.  I'll get back to it, b/c I do feel a lot better when I'm vegan.

    Okay, I'm pretty sure this was the butternut squash lasagna, b/c Minimalist Baker is one of my favorite vegan/vegetarian sites:  https://minimalistbaker.com/butternut-squash-lasagna-vegan-gf-optional/

    I also love Love and Lemons and One Green Planet (their ads are ANNOYING though, just warning).  @levioosa I'm looking for my lentil loaf recipe, it's in a book and I'll be darned if if I can remember which one.

    ETA:  Sorry, this is obviously one of my hyperfixations and I nerd out about it.  :smiley:
  • Thanks for all of the recommendations! @varunaTT


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  • @VarunaTT, I know you are more talking about the controversy.  But sugar-free honey has a very similar taste to real honey and it doesn't use animal products.  I personally can't even tell the difference in the taste and consistency, but my husband says I am not a good judge of these things and he is probably right, lol.  That's sugar-free/no sugar added stuff in general, not honey specifically.  I don't think he's ever tried my sugar-free honey.

    I realize it's not the same because it's plants and not animals.  But humans have really messed with crops also, to the point where some of them would quickly die out because they can't exist in nature anymore without human help.  Or at least the specific varieties we've done that to.
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  • Thanks @VarunaTT! I can have dairy again, but admittedly I did feel so much better when I was dairy and soy free for Baby J. 
  • VarunaTT said:
    Thanks Varuna!  Those Korean Sweet Potatoes look amazing. 


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  • Yeah, that one I thought about making just for me to use up some sweet potatoes.  I can vouch for her mac and cheese, it's very good.
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