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Idk what's right here, thoughts?

Dear Prudence,

My sister’s child (who is 24 years old) is gender fluid, and due to some discrimination and other issues in society, my sister is a VERY strong proponent of the LGBTQ+ group. But some of what she expects from our family in order to show our support for her child is extreme.

She won’t speak to our brother during Pride month because he won’t replace his decorative flag with a pride flag, and is upset we won’t take vacation days to show up for rallies. With her, there is no middle ground. If you are not 100 percent supportive (i.e., donations, flags, yard signs, etc.), you are 100 percent against, and our family falls into the latter group.

I have continued to try and have a relationship with her, and it has worked until recently. There is a church across the street from where I live. It is a mainstream denomination, and due to occasionally mis-delivered mail, I have gotten to know the pastor and the office manager. This church also has a fresh vegetable pantry just inside their parking lot, where people drop off excess produce for other community members in need to take. I regularly take extra from my garden to this pantry, and it drives my sister up the wall. Apparently, this church is on her “blacklist” of groups that do not accept the LGBTQ+ community.

I have checked the church’s website and social media posts, and in talking to the pastor and office manager, I have gotten no indication that they are against the LGBTQ+ community. One of their mission statements is “to be a source of help for ALL in the community.” Because I support this church with my vegetable donations, I am apparently against her and her child. I have explained that I am supporting those in need and not necessarily the church itself.

This weekend, she was over and saw all the winter coats hanging in my garage. She asked what they were for. I told her that whenever I see a winter coat for under $5 at a rummage sale, I buy it because the church across the street has a coat drive every fall and collects coats to donate to the local shelters. She almost went ballistic, saying she can somewhat understand donating vegetables as they are free, but the fact that I was actively spending money to donate to THAT church just proves how against I am to her and her child. I told her I was supporting the community as a whole with my donations and not the church specifically. She said it doesn’t matter, and if I wanted to continue to have a relationship with her, I would need to promise I would no longer support the church across the street. I don’t know what to do next.

It “feels good” to donate this stuff, as I know it is benefiting those in need, and it is a very easy way for me to do it. I have also hit the end of the line with my sister and her expectations, but I still want a relationship with her. Should I stand my ground and risk a relationship with my sister and hope she “mellows out” on her extreme stance, or cave in and no longer donate to the church’s community help programs?

—Problems With My Sister’s Extreme LGBTQ+ Stance

Re: Idk what's right here, thoughts?

  • Can you check with the denomination and not just the church?  Do a little more research on them specifically to make sure that you're truly educated in how they handle things.

    But, there needs to be some middle ground here and there's a difference between "Don't tell me I hate the LGBTQ+ community!  I buy my relatives in that community Christmas gifts!" (tokenism) and the spectrum that your June is taken up with PTO for Pride events and flags. 

    I think LW really needs to look up the faiths that are not friendly to members of the LGBTQ+ community.   Also, she can buy the coats and give them to the shelters directly. 
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    Why didn't LW ask her sister why that church was blacklisted?  There is a LOT of coded language that churches/faiths will use to play at being inclusive, but it's really just to get queer bodies in there for either "salvation" or money.  Our small city has something like 432 churches.  Only about 4 are actively affirming of the LGBTQ+ population here, though you'll hear plenty of people tell you that "they don't mind the gay folx, as long as they don't rub it in our faces or demand space".  THAT is NOT affirming, period.  And look for actual language that says, "We are an inclusive affirming space for LGBTQ+ folx", not "all people" <--- coded language to hide behind.

    The other things seem extreme and makes me doubt LW, TBH.  Like, maybe sis asked about a Pride flag and BOOM, sister is extreme.  

    Look, being an accomplice is WORK and more than just lip service.  That doesn't mean you have to do all the things, but don't pretend that doing none of the things means you're supportive.

    ETA:  I also noticed that LW said nothing about being supportive in her letter, just the things that bother her.  That read as suspect to me.
  • My curiosity questions.  What does the nephew think about the things mentioned in the letter.  Why does the sister think this particular church isn't LGBTQ+ friendly.  Surely the LW has asked, since they did other research about it.

    Despite my suspicions as to why the LW didn't mention the "why" their sister has, I agree with them about the coats.  They are not a member of this church.  They are not giving it monetary donations.  The coats are for the needy and the church gets no benefit from that kind of donation.

    They say they want to keep a relationship with their sister.  If so, then they need to find somewhere else to donate the coats because the sister has been clear this would be relationship ending.  It's a minor imposition, but I realize it's more about the principle.  But they should try to get the sister's okay back for the vegetables. 

    Coats are a once a year thing.  But veggies are more frequent and no one wants to go driving around town to donate them, when they can walk across the street to help food insecurity.  Some of the people who pick up the LW's veggies might be in the LGBTQ+ community.   
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  • If it's a mainstream denomination and you can't find anything directly saying they support the LGBTQ+ community, they don't. 

    Also, there are a ton of shelters and food banks targeting LGBT+ people for obvious reasons. It's not "extreme" to take the extra step in honor of your nibling to donate the excess produce and coats to one of them instead. It would matter a lot more than a flag, too. 
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