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Act with empathy, but she was rude

Dear Prudence,

I pay a fee to a local farm co-op where I pick up a basket of fresh produce every week. There is no picking or choosing beyond allergies, but I end up with bags of fresh produce. More than I can use—even with pet rabbits! I usually take the leftover produce to my work. I end up exchanging recipes and even get zucchini bread back as a thank you.

My problem is my aggressive co-worker, “Kathy.” I feel for Kathy because she is a grandma raising three kids after her daughter, who had a drug problem, died. But Kathy is too entitled. She gets benefits and food stamps for her grandkids, but constantly complains about how hard she has it feeding them. Kathy makes a point to paw through whatever I bring and then just trash-talks everything. Her kids will not eat broccoli, the carrots aren’t chopped up, the tomatoes have spots on them, etc. She will huff and puff and take a few things or complain about how nothing is edible. She never says thank you.

I finally hit my limit when I brought in a bunch of clean, old clothes and blankets because I was remaking my guest room into a room for one of my rabbits. The break room at work is a bit of an informal swap meet. People bring leftover cupcakes, toys their kids have outgrown, or even crafting supplies. As long as it is gone by the end of the day, no one cares. I had already sold the bed and other furniture and was telling another co-worker about the experience when Kathy interrupted and got right in my face.

She started ranting about how I should have thought about her first because her grandbaby needed a bigger bed, and I never brought anything good and was just selfish. I had to step back. I should have shut my mouth, but my anger bubbled over. I asked Kathy why the hell she thought she would be on my radar when I live on the opposite side of town in a third-story walk-up. Was she going to rent a truck and come personally get all the heavy stuff? Kathy told me a good person would have happily delivered it. I told her that I guess I would stop being a good person then, and took the rest of my donations out of the break room and back to my car. Our supervisor got involved and basically shut down the swap meet. Everyone is upset—and a lot of them are mad at me!

According to them, I made a scene by talking back to Kathy and taking my stuff back to the car. Kathy is old. Kathy has it tough. I should just bow my head and take whatever bile she throws at me. I know I am lucky because I am young, healthy, and have no kids, but we all work the same job and make the same salary. I was being kind and got a kick in my face for it. What are my next steps other than offering my leftover produce on NextDoor?

—Got Bitten

Re: Act with empathy, but she was rude

  • VarunaTTVarunaTT member
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    edited October 16
    I know it's too late for this, but these situations are exactly why I never took part in outside-of-my-job shennanigans with co-workers.

    I'd just hold my head up high, shut down any attempts at discussions with me over it, and continue working.  Kathy is a twatwaffle and, more than likely in my experience, bullies everyone anyway.  Let them all rot and figure something else out to do with their extra stuff.  As far as LW's extra produce, there's the age old "leave the zucchini on your neighbor's doorstep" or handing it to friends or composting or donating to a food pantry.
  • Ugh, people like Kathy are the worsttttt. Like is hard, but you don't have to be a self absorbed asshole about it. 


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  • Kathy is not doing herself any favors with the way she acts entitled to her coworkers' charitable contributions.

    But LW had an outburst that wasn't professional in a professional space.  It doesn't mean that I wouldn't have thought out all the things LW said but situations like that need to be addressed with way more tact than LW had. 
  • This is enough that I would be thinking about whether it's time to job hunt. Asshole coworkers are just a part of pretty much every job, but if the group is so used to putting up with Kathy's crap that they're mad at LW, I'd be wondering how it would impact my career and reputation if I had a professional conflict with her. 
  • Kathy is the worse but you chose to get down on her level and fight it out. These are the consequences of shouting back at a colleague- you both look ridiculous even if she started it.
  • Now I'm curious about how this breakroom "swap meet" was.  Our breakroom often has people's excess produce and packaged food items.  Or homemade goodies.  Sometimes it's generic non-food things that most people can use.  But old clothes and toys would be really weird.

    It is appreciated and I have never heard anyone complain about items.  If we had a "Kathy", people would inwardly roll their eyes at her.  I guarantee the LW's other coworkers were doing the same thing and on the LW's side.  Until she let her anger get the better of her.  If I was the LW's coworker, I'd still be the most annoyed at Kathy for her entitlement ruining a good thing.  But they were both at fault. 
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  • I don't think LW was at fault for anything.  It is truly exhausting how bullies in the workplace continuously get away with bad behavior like Kathy was exhibiting and then people say, "Well they're both at fault".  No...Kathy shouldn't have done what she did, full stop.  Kathy took something that was a nice thing for the entire office and demanded it be run to HER specifications and HER wants/needs.  That doesn't work.  Then to say that LW shouldn't have pushed back?  Just b/c everyone else has tolerated the bullying, doesn't mean that the person who doesn't tolerate it, is at fault.  Kathy is a bad faith actor and should be treated as such.
  • VarunaTT said:
    I don't think LW was at fault for anything.  It is truly exhausting how bullies in the workplace continuously get away with bad behavior like Kathy was exhibiting and then people say, "Well they're both at fault".  No...Kathy shouldn't have done what she did, full stop.  Kathy took something that was a nice thing for the entire office and demanded it be run to HER specifications and HER wants/needs.  That doesn't work.  Then to say that LW shouldn't have pushed back?  Just b/c everyone else has tolerated the bullying, doesn't mean that the person who doesn't tolerate it, is at fault.  Kathy is a bad faith actor and should be treated as such.
    Except that’s not how it works in an office. Employee handbooks and policies apply to everyone, even people who are dealing with assholes like Kathy. LW shouldn’t have yelled back, shouldn’t have cursed, shouldn’t have let their anger lead them to respond in a way where a manager had to step in. Yes Kathy is a bad actor and she was shouting at LW, LW should have walked away and reported her to HR. She should document what Kathy said and did and tell their own manager. 

    But if you start yelling at a coworker in an office you are also violating workplace policies and shouldn’t be surprised if there are consequences of that. There should be for Kathy too, but just because LW’s anger is justified doesn’t mean their behavior is. 
  • VarunaTT said:
    I don't think LW was at fault for anything.  It is truly exhausting how bullies in the workplace continuously get away with bad behavior like Kathy was exhibiting and then people say, "Well they're both at fault".  No...Kathy shouldn't have done what she did, full stop.  Kathy took something that was a nice thing for the entire office and demanded it be run to HER specifications and HER wants/needs.  That doesn't work.  Then to say that LW shouldn't have pushed back?  Just b/c everyone else has tolerated the bullying, doesn't mean that the person who doesn't tolerate it, is at fault.  Kathy is a bad faith actor and should be treated as such.
    Except that’s not how it works in an office. Employee handbooks and policies apply to everyone, even people who are dealing with assholes like Kathy. LW shouldn’t have yelled back, shouldn’t have cursed, shouldn’t have let their anger lead them to respond in a way where a manager had to step in. Yes Kathy is a bad actor and she was shouting at LW, LW should have walked away and reported her to HR. She should document what Kathy said and did and tell their own manager. 

    But if you start yelling at a coworker in an office you are also violating workplace policies and shouldn’t be surprised if there are consequences of that. There should be for Kathy too, but just because LW’s anger is justified doesn’t mean their behavior is. 
    That's where I am.  

    LW needed to have handled the workplace confrontation with the coworker in a better manner.    

    Do I think Kathy is way more at fault and the workplace is too for not nipping Kathy's behavior that was inappropriate long ago?  Absolutely.  This is also on them.  But LW is remiss for not controlling what they said. 


  • VarunaTTVarunaTT member
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    edited October 17
    Nah.  If someone is in my face and telling me I'm selfish, that the free stuff I bring is "not good", and I'm not a good person, I'm pushing back.  LW just said "hell" and doesn't say she yelled.  I'm not imaging a full on confrontation, but someone pushing back and firmly saying, What the hell do you think you're doing? not a screaming tantrum...which it absolutely sounds like Kathy engaged in.

    Surely this also isn't the first time Kathy has overstepped, b/c when the supervisor did step in, it was to take the entire thing away, not confront Kathy over her behavior.  HR is always saying, Be the bigger person, report to us, but HR is there to protect the company, not the employee.  For the rest of the staff to be blaming LW, this reeks of a toxic environment where the "squeaky wheel gets the grease" i.e., gets away with bullying.  

    ETA:  I just don't believe you can continuously put people in situations with a bully and expect them to not eventually break.  I don't think LW is at fault for having had enough and pushing back. I doubt Kathy isn't like this to the rest of the staff and I'm sure management didn't want to deal with it and didn't, and this was the result.
  • ei34ei34 member
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    This is a real "and this is why we can't have nice things" moment.  I'd feel frustrated if I were LW and our coworkers were mad at me here, and not saying it's right, but my guess is all of the coworkers have had moments like this with Kathy as well but ignored instead of escalating? 
    Again, not saying that it's okay for the coworkers to have misplaced anger at LW.  I think the supervisor should do better here- address Kathy, instead of shutting down the swap meet.  
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