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Ultimately, not your circus

Dear Prudence,

My closest friend is in the process of getting her second divorce. Both men were very clearly not great partners for her. She wanted to be married so much, she spent much of her energy ignoring many obvious issues and convincing herself (and trying to convince everyone else) it was okay. During the recent breakup, she said to me, please don’t ever let me get involved in another unhealthy relationship like that. She said she wanted to take some time to figure out why she is so driven by male attention and really focus on rebuilding her emotional state. I promised her I would say something if I saw it.

Well, of course, a few weeks after he moved out, an old friend from college reached out to her. He, too, is getting divorced, and she saw it as a sign from the universe. He love-bombed her for days, like 10-15 emails a day (while he still shares a bed with his soon to be ex-wife!). She, another friend, and I talked about it, and the other friend suggested she not to speak to him for six months. If after six months they were still as interested in speaking, she should go from there. She was grateful for the good advice. Later that day, she told the college guy to cool it, and she would reach out when she was ready. Oops, he had already sent her a present to her job. When it arrived three days later, she reached out to him to thank him, and they have been texting every single day since. Every day!!

I told her this was unhealthy and she spun a multipronged narrative about how not talking to him would be inauthentic (“like saying I’ll never eat sugar again”). She has said they are pen pals. Her mental contortions remind me of the way she spoke of her husbands (and a terrible boyfriend in between). I told her very clearly she was continuing the pattern she swore she wanted to break. He lives in a different state (close), so they haven’t seen each other.
I know she has a romantic fantasy about this guy even though she denies it.

I oddly resent her for doing this. I love her and want the best for her, but it’s like banging my head against a wall. I dread when she finally makes plans to see him. His love bombing (and the content of some of the emails which she showed me) demonstrates to me that he is not a mentally healthy person. Prudie, how do I help my friend who says she wants to be helped, but behaves like she very much doesn’t?

Re: Ultimately, not your circus

  • You have already tried to tell her that this is unhealthy and you're concerned. She's not listening. There is nothing more you can do here. You're not responsible for another adult's behavior.
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  • You don't.

    She's delegated her mental health and boundary issues to you, so she doesn't have to do the work herself.  She's not your responsibility in any way, shape, or form. stop it.
  • Wanting to break a pattern and actually doing it and two vastly different things. You never should have agreed to take on moderating someone else’s relationship to men, and you should back way off now.

    This isn’t on you to fix- she never should have asked you and you never should have agreed to trying to fix it. And if you want to remain friends to you need to really take in that this isn’t your problem. 
  • The LW has already done what the friend asked.  She and even another friend, warned her that she's making the same mistake.

    If I was the LW, there are a few more things I would mention and then drop it.  She should suggest her friend get therapy to better understand why she is so driven for male attention and learn techniques to lessen that. 

    I don't think most people should jump into a new relationship shortly after a separation, even if a divorce has been started.  This woman especially sounds like she needs to spend time on her own for a while.  Encourage the friend to get to know themselves, without it being in context with a man. 

    Warn the friend that she only knows what the guy has told her.  The fact that he is still sharing a bed...not just a house...with his ex-wife would say to me that he's lying about getting a divorce and is only looking for attention/someone to cheat with.

    But overall, the LW needs to understand that it isn't her job to save the friend from herself.  It's up to the friend to listen to that advice and take action.  Change is hard, but it's the friend's responsibility to do that.  If she chooses not to, that's on her.
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  • This is called an askhole. She asks you for advice, knows that you are telling her the right thing, and ignores it anyway. It's incredibly frustrating because you love your friend and you can see very clearly that they are driving off a cliff, but they just argue with you when you try point out the broken guardrail. 

    You have to recognize that you are not responsible for her choices and that you can't save her. That's the only way you're going to let go of this frustration and resentment. Don't say another word about it. When this one comes crashing down around her and she comes back and tries to tell you to stop her next time, that's when you tell her to talk to a therapist. You can't do the work for her and you can't be responsible for her life choices. 
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