Wedding Woes

Mama drama

Dear Prudence,

I am an evangelical (recovering evangelical) who grew up in a very conservative church—we once had an album burning in the parking lot to torch “satanic” music like Boyz II Men and Ace of Base. I eventually got out, and spent years deconstructing the truly messed-up things I was taught. I am now hard left, and happily so.

My mom, however, is another story. She has remained committed to evangelicalism, and her political views have only gotten more right-wing as the years have passed. She was the president of the Republican club in our small Midwestern town. She has all sorts of Trump merchandise. She still has Trump 2024 signs in her yard, a year and a half after the election. She is, in short, part of two cults: the cult of hard-right religious views, and the national cult that cheers for this horrifying administration. That also means she is someone who is happy about the war in Iran, because she believes it’s the first step to finally bring about Armageddon and the return of Jesus.

Up until now, it was hard enough trying to maintain a distant-at-best relationship when it was “just” the homophobia, transphobia, sexism, and racism that’s baked into evangelical beliefs, but now with her support of ICE, enthusiastic support for the war, and an unshakable belief that Trump was chosen by God and can therefore do no wrong, it feels completely impossible. I know she yearns for a closer relationship, but honestly even a bland phone call where we both actively avoid any of those hot-button topics is excruciating for me. And also: She’s 82 years old. My dad died a couple years ago, and Mom’s relationship with my one sibling that lives in town is toxic and codependent as hell. She’s got her church friends, but Mom has always been so family-focused that I know these relationships will never fill the empty space left by me and my other siblings who keep their distance. I also know that her loneliness isn’t my responsibility.

And yet, I can’t bring myself to grant her grace. The war is terrifying to me on a primal level, because I know most evangelicals would be elated to nuke Iran off the planet because Jesus told them to, and that they’re on the verge of establishing the Christofascist society they’ve been praying for. I just can’t reconcile all of this in my head: the ache of missing my mom (more likely, the version of her that I wished she were, not who she actually is), the fury at all of her horrible beliefs, the terror I have on a visceral level about the war because of the lies I was brainwashed to believe, and the sadness I feel when I think about her loneliness. She is, at the core, a genuinely kind person whose view of the world has been completely corrupted by religion and Trumpism—exactly the kind of stuff that happens when a person’s deep in a cult. I guess it comes down to my grieving a relationship that could’ve been, in theory, but is not realistic. Is there any way to navigate this?

Re: Mama drama

  • "Mom, I won't stop caring ABOUT you but will not support what you're doing and think you are cherry picking areas of scripture to support your narrative as no pro-life human loving person I know even threatens to annihilate a civilization of people.  You can keep doing what you're doing but I want to part in any aspect of it including hearing your voice talk about it and will actively work with organizations that are directly in opposition to those in which you're a member." 
  • You can't be a genuinely kind person and also celebrate the idea of nuking an entire civilization off the planet. You can care about her from afar. Sure she's in a cult, but she's still a human being with free will choosing to be abhorent. It's been pretty well established that the concept of brain washing is a myth. 

    It's back to that old quote "“Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.

    That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore."
  • levioosalevioosa member
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    You can't be a genuinely kind person and also celebrate the idea of nuking an entire civilization off the planet. You can care about her from afar. Sure she's in a cult, but she's still a human being with free will choosing to be abhorent. It's been pretty well established that the concept of brain washing is a myth. 

    It's back to that old quote "“Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.

    That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore."
    Yup, all of this. You’re not “a good person” when your views are actively harming people you just don’t see as worthy of kindness or protection. Fuck all the way off. 

    You don’t have to keep in contact LW. If you want, you can say your peace and never speak to her again, or simply cut contact. 


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  • ei34ei34 member
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    I was going to suggest going no contact, but given her age, I guess low contact. If she believes what she says she does, she is not a kind person at her core. I’d find a good therapist who specializes in complicated parental relationships /mourning what might have been.
  • VarunaTTVarunaTT member
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    I think LW IS navigating it and it's uncomfortable.  It's never going to be comfortable and that really sucks, LW, I'm sorry. But you're going to have to sit with the discomfort or go no contact.
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