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Someone PLEASE explain this to me!

So, here's the deal... I was born to a Jewish mother and a Catholic father and raised to know both religions and choose for myself. After a period of atheistic depressive hating in my teen years, I came to be a Christian and have since been going to a Protestant church. My decision to become a Christian was just that-- a decision based on research, intellect, and spirituality. I love comparative religion and admit that no fallible human being has gotten it right thus far and therefore am pretty much a "to each his own" type of gal. However, I have some serious reservations about certain Catholic doctrine/dogmas, but still respect the right of those who find spiritual fulfillment in the Catholic tradition.

Now, my FMIL was raised Catholic, though she doesn't go to Mass often (though she's been going more ever since the priest who married FMIL and FFIL was transferred to their parish, b/c she worries what he will think of the family). Still, she has made this HUGE fuss about the fact that my FI and I are going to Protestant churches in our search for a home church that will feed us both spiritually. He is not really wedded to his Catholic upbringing and admits that he is still trying to find his spiritual identity. She has told him many-a-time, though, that she fears that I am going to force him to abandon his "faith" and has expressed serious reservations about my influence on his spiritual life (oh, btw, her husband was Protestant when they met and "gave up his "faith"" for her-- she made him "convert," though I don't call it that b/c it's the same darn religion, just different moves, you know?!!).

We are getting married at my home church where I grew up and where I still serve when I can get back into the area (doing VBS week, singing solos, even preaching occassionally), which is a Protestant church. I have gone to Mass at FMIL's church and felt so left out and felt emotionally distraught over the exlusion I felt (one of my biggest objections to the Catholic doctrine-- the idea that the Catholic church has a monopoly on the truth and that all other Christian denominations only have partial truth), especially when I could not take communion. That same day, she mentioned off-handedly how the priest had mentioned to her (aka, she had asked about it) how we could receive a dispensation from the Church so FI could receive the sacrament of marriage if we promise to raise our kids Catholic (see my post http://forums.theknot.com/default.aspx?path=http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_ceremony-ideas_pleasing-catholic-fmil-protestant-wedding   for more info on THAT whole issue).

So, here's my question... Can anyone explain to me why this is such a huge deal for her?! She loves me in every other way but this whole religion thing keeps getting in the way, which I don't understand because we both believe in/serve/worship the same God. It would be very helpful to me if there are any mothers out there in her boat, but also any brides in my boat who could offer me advice on how to deal with this. It really bothers me that it is such a huge source of contention in our relationship and I worry that it will only get worse when we don't raise any future kiddos Catholic as well. Anyone who can shed some light on this, I'd really appreciate it! I want to understand and I want to make it better, but it just blows my mind that this is such an issue, especially when she doesn't seem to particularly follow the Catholic doctrine, but gets all up in arms that I don't.

Re: Someone PLEASE explain this to me!

  • Members of my family are both Catholic and Lutheran. My dad was raised Catholic (most of his family is still Catholic), but converted to Wisconsin Synod Lutheran because that's what my mom is. As far as I know there hasn't been any conflicts over that. 
    My fiance and his family is ALL Catholic and none of our family members seem especially worried or concerned over what religion we will choose. I think they understand that it's our choice and the realize the differences aren't really very large. 
    Maybe your FMIL thinks the differences in religion are greater than they are. Maybe you could ask her what her specific concerns are (be prepared because she may say that she's worried you're going to hell, as rude as that might be).
    I've always been a firm believer that your denomination doesn't matter so much, it's what you believe in your heart that really matters. 
  • Suggest to your FMIL that you two sit down and she can ask you all the questions she want.  Be honest in your answers and try to concentrate on the similarities so that hopefully, she won't focus so much on the differences.

    I did this with my MIL a few months before our wedding.  Both H and I were raised as Catholics, but I had converted to Buddhism years ago.  MIL wasn't pleased with my beliefs and was afraid that I would pull H away from the Catholic church.  She was also upset that we insisted on having a civil ceremony.  

    Finally, the three of us sat down to get it all out.  H told his mom that I just didn't feel Catholic anymore and I answered every question she had about Buddhism.  Things are not perfect, but they're a whole lot less tense now.

    Good luck!
  • Your FI needs to explain to his mother that he no longer considers himself Catholic.

    Catholics believe that Catholics must marry within the church or have the marriage convalidated since marriage is a sacrament.  If your FMIL believes that your FI is still a practicing Catholic, then she'd consider his anticipated marriage outside of the church a sin, and it would be her duty to encourage you and him to change your marriage plans.
  • Just to clarify:

    The Catholic church believes that anyone can marry (who are free to marry) and it can be a valid marriage. They believe 2 baptized people can marry and it is sacramental. If one or both are Catholic, then just like all other sacraments, it has to be correct form and matter, so a Catholic is bound to get married according to the correct form set out. They can get a dispensation from form to marry in another church for a good reason.

    People have no problem following the laws of the state when marrying, I don't understand why its such a problem for a church to put forth its own guidelines.


  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_customs-traditions_someone-please-explain-this?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:36Discussion:78eb3c3f-d8a2-4325-8009-a49e2f999a40Post:2bb5a976-f457-4d79-a110-9ba82c6e8d33">Re: Someone PLEASE explain this to me!</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Someone PLEASE explain this to me! : Actually, they aren't the only one's who believe that.  Pretty much all monotheistic religions believe that they are "right" and the others are all "wrong".  [/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>No, they aren't. But they are the ones being discussed here. I didn't feel an anthropological comparison of religious exclusionary tactics was needed.  
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    </div><div>[QUOTE]And not even the Pope believes that both members of a couple have to be Catholic for God to bless the union. [/QUOTE]</div><div>
    </div><div>I said fundamentalist members. Moderate members in fact know better. Thus the point of not saying they fall into this catagory. But I could have pointed this out more clearly. Point taken. </div><div>
    </div><div>[QUOTE}I understand that you have some personal emotional issues with Catholicism, and understandably so.[/QUOTE]</div><div>
    </div><div>Thanks, I guess. Really it's more of a buyer beware then anything else. </div><div>
    </div><div>  [QUOTE]But please don't spout off erroneous "facts' about a religion that you obviously don't have an understanding of. [QUOTE]</div><div>
    </div><div>I have 18 years of understanding of it. While I didn't walk away with the same "understanding", mine is no less valid. All the facts and information are there. </div><div>
    </div><div>To the more fundamentalist members these are "facts". If you take issue with that speak to them. Calling me out is shooting the messenger. </div><div>
    </div><div> [QUOTE]It makes the rest of us non-Catholics look bad.</div><div>Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

    </div></div><div>It makes us look bad to call people on bad behavior? If so I'll look bad, I suppose. I've not met a issue or problem yet that somehow goes away faster or gets resolved better by not dealing with it. People pulling power plays because they know God "better", for one reason or another, is incredibly rude. It always will be. I hope I always have the courage to call people on it. </div>
    Wedding planning land is not friendly to feminists.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_customs-traditions_someone-please-explain-this?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:36Discussion:78eb3c3f-d8a2-4325-8009-a49e2f999a40Post:f506011b-9493-4737-9ebf-44a88df82a43">Re: Someone PLEASE explain this to me!</a>:
    [QUOTE]It's a big deal because if he doesn't take the sacrament of marriage, he'll be "living in sin" forever, and without repenting and confessing, it could eventually jeopardize his eternal soul. .
    Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]



    This. Catholics believe that matrimony is a sacrament, much like baptism or communion, and must be performed by the priest (usually in the church) to be recognized. His mother has such an issue with it because if he is catholic, and he is not married in the church, his marriage will not be recognized by the church, and therefore not valid. He would therefore be living in sin forever. For Catholics, this is a huge deal.

    Of course, that doesn't mean you should just do what his mother wants. It means that HE needs to have a conversation with his mother about no longer feeling connected with the church, and therefore not feeling the need to have the sacrament. Until then, this is going to be misdirected as you taking away her Catholic son and dragging him to protestant church. And really, if he's not willing to step up and be honest and frank with her, can you blame her? She needs to understand that he is making this decision for himself, not you.
  • Just as a nitpick, Catholics don't believe that the priest performs the sacrament of matrimony. It is a lay sacrament that the couple administers to each other, and the priest witnesses it.

    "They believe only a CC wedding where the bride and groom are both members of the CC and will raise their kids in the CC will be blessed by the Almighty Father. I'm not ashamed to say it gets me very, very, very angry. And more then a little hurt.  As Gandhi said 'God is to big to fit in one religion' . I can only hope they understand that someday."

    So what if that's what they believe? You might disagree, and are certainly entitled to do so, but it doesn't change the fact that the Church and its members have certain beliefs. Those beliefs aren't going to change simply because some people might be offended. And when someone asks a question about the rules of the faith as it pertains to marriage, it would be silly to not explain what the rules actually are. If you don't believe the rules apply to you or are valid, why get angry or offended by the explanation?
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_customs-traditions_someone-please-explain-this?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:36Discussion:78eb3c3f-d8a2-4325-8009-a49e2f999a40Post:d0e3464a-dfbb-4d49-9817-e95584415158">Re: Someone PLEASE explain this to me!</a>:
    [QUOTE]"They believe only a CC wedding where the bride and groom are both members of the CC and will raise their kids in the CC will be blessed by the Almighty Father. I'm not ashamed to say it gets me very, very, very angry. And more then a little hurt.  As Gandhi said 'God is to big to fit in one religion' . I can only hope they understand that someday." 
    Posted by jess9802[/QUOTE]

    <div>BTW, this is not true.  Catholics believe that marriage is a sacrament, and that it deserves the same level of sanctity and respect as any other sacrament, and therefore must be performed in the church and must conform to certain rules.  This is limited only to catholics.  The catholic church recognizes civil marriages between non-catholics.  It also does not deny that God blesses civil marriages for anyone.</div><div>
    </div><div>The catholic church does not limit the sacrament to only catholic parties.  It also does not require that parties pledge to raise their children catholic.</div><div>
    </div><div>You'd probably have less issues with the church if you actually knew what it said. </div>
  • edited September 2010
    I would definitely encourage you to have your FI talk to your FMIL -- it is important you squash this issue before you get married. You might also want to post this over at the Christian board under Cultural Weddings, there are some Christian girls (including myself) who post over there who can probably help also in addition to these girls here.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_customs-traditions_someone-please-explain-this?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:36Discussion:78eb3c3f-d8a2-4325-8009-a49e2f999a40Post:56db7537-2a32-49e9-92d0-156a64b4d577">Re: Someone PLEASE explain this to me!</a>:
    [QUOTE]MyNameisNot, that's not my quote. Just for clarification. :)
    Posted by jess9802[/QUOTE]

    <div>Oops, yeah, I should have noted that I realized that you were quoting it as well, but I'm too lazy to go back up and find it.  </div>
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