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FMIL: "We have to invite them, but they won't come"

I hope this is the right forum to ask this question. I'm starting to plan my wedding. We are in college, getting married right after graduation (June 2014), and my parents are paying for the wedding and reception.

My list is about 115 in its everyone-and-the-kitchen-sink form, could be cut to 90 or a bit under with no problem, and could be trimmed more if need be. I asked my fiance to get a guest list for his side so we can do things like pick a reception venue, find out what kind of food is within budget, etc. He sent me a long, not prioritized, not specific (e.g., "Chris & family") list. It has 108 names and 26 "& family"s.

I asked him to prioritize his list into groups (have to be invited to avoid WWIII, really really want, would be nice). He, after consulting with his mother, informed me that the list can't be cut in any substantial way--his network of extended family and friends all have to be invited. But he says probably 60% of them won't come (the wedding will be 600 miles away from most of them, and his mother wants to have a local second reception).

I get that family politics are crazy, but it puts me in a kind of tough spot. People do sometimes come to weddings that you would never expect to come, and I know planning that everyone will come is the smart thing to do. But he's telling me he should get a 40% yes rate. I don't want to pay for, and in fact probably can't afford, a room big enough to hold 100 extra people just in case they RSVP yes. It will be unnecessarily expensive and if they don't come, the room will be empty. On the other hand, I am having nightmares of everyone showing up and people having to eat peanut butter standing up. And I don't want us to cut our close friends so that Great-Aunt Marsha can be invited when she doesn't want to come.

What do you do if your guest list and expected response rate are off by a huge factor? We're talking about sending out invitations to 300 people and expecting 175 of them to show.

Re: FMIL: "We have to invite them, but they won't come"

  • Simply FatedSimply Fated member
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    edited March 2013
    What do you do if your guest list and expected response rate are off by a huge factor? We're talking about sending out invitations to 300 people and expecting 175 of them to show.

    Please expect 100% attendance. I've seen it happen on here! Brides come on here all the time asking what to do because they can only afford X guests or they only have room for X guests and guests they invited just to be polite have accepted. It really does happen. People use weddings like family reunions, mini vacations and a chance to see people or what ever. My dad, who hasn't seen his family in about 15 years recieved an invitation to a wedding halfway across the country. Had I been able to accompany him, he'd have gone. He thought it would have been a great chance to see his family again and was so touched to be invited. A lot of people think like my dad.
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  • Your parents, since they are paying, need to decide on a number they feel comfortable with hosting to give to your FI parents so that they can cut their guest list down.

    Like Liatris said, your FMIL is not paying so she does not get the right to invite whoever she wants.  Your parents need to tell her that they can host X amount and that she will need to cut her list down to that number.  If she refuses then you and your FI will have to cut it down for her.

    Always plan for 100% attendance.  There have been some occassions on here where brides have posted horror stories about inviting a crap load of people with the expectation that only 1/3 would come only to start receiving RSVPs and now they have a 95% yes rate but their venue and budget can only host about a 50% yes rate.  Do not be one of these brides.

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    [QUOTE]Plan for 100% acceptance. It is better to have money and room to spare than to need a loan to pay for your wedding or to have to find a new venue a week before because everyone won't fit where you planned to have your wedding. Since FMIL isn't contributing, she doesn't get to invite whoever she pleases to the wedding. Your FI first needs to get from her the names of everyone. Does The Jones Family include mom dad and 2 kids, or mom dad and 6? Then he needs her to rank them. If she won't, he will, and then you invite the ones from her list that he wants.
    Posted by Liatris2010[/QUOTE]

    Agreed. Time for some tough love.
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    [QUOTE]I hope this is the right forum to ask this question. I'm starting to plan my wedding. We are in college, getting married right after graduation (June 2014), and my parents are paying for the wedding and reception. My list is about 115 in its everyone-and-the-kitchen-sink form, could be cut to 90 or a bit under with no problem, and could be trimmed more if need be. I asked my fiance to get a guest list for his side so we can do things like pick a reception venue, find out what kind of food is within budget, etc. He sent me a long, not prioritized, not specific (e.g., "Chris & family") list. It has 108 names and 26 "& family"s. I asked him to prioritize his list into groups (have to be invited to avoid WWIII, really really want, would be nice). He, after consulting with his mother, informed me that the list can't be cut in any substantial way--his network of extended family and friends all have to be invited. But he says probably 60% of them won't come (the wedding will be 600 miles away from most of them, and his mother wants to have a local second reception). I get that family politics are crazy, but it puts me in a kind of tough spot. People do sometimes come to weddings that you would never expect to come, and I know planning that everyone will come is the smart thing to do. But he's telling me he should get a 40% yes rate. I don't want to pay for, and in fact probably can't afford, a room big enough to hold 100 extra people just in case they RSVP yes. It will be unnecessarily expensive and if they don't come, the room will be empty. On the other hand, I am having nightmares of everyone showing up and people having to eat peanut butter standing up. And I don't want us to cut our close friends so that Great-Aunt Marsha can be invited when she doesn't want to come. What do you do if your guest list and expected response rate are off by a huge factor? <strong>We're talking about sending out invitations to 300 people and expecting 175 of them to show.</strong>
    Posted by letsplaytag[/QUOTE]

    Don't do this. You and your FI really need to get on the same page. What would happen if Great Aunt Martha decided she'd really like a vacation and hey - why not turn your wedding into an excuse for a vacation? Talk to your parents - how many people are they offering to pay for/how much money are they willing to give you? Do you and FI want a finger-food reception or dinner? That will impact how many people you can invite if you parents give you a specific dollar amount. But since FMIL isn't contributing, she doesn't get a say in who is invited. If your parents are not giving you a specific amount and saying, "go crazy!" I'd suggest you ask them how many people they can comfortable afford then have FI tell his mom that she can only invite x amount of people.
  • Oh dear, I was afraid that would be the answer. So what do I do about these two concerns
    1) Room too big if they don't come--two times as big as it needs to be
    2) His family thinking I'm a jerk
    ? Thanks!
  • Oh, I just saw the last two replies. We're thinking pasta lunch. My mother feels very strongly that a wedding reception has to involve a real meal. I'm not sure I agree, but it's her money so her call. :p

    Does it change the answer if he asked if his parents should contribute and my mother said say no, we've got i?
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    [QUOTE]Oh, I just saw the last two replies. We're thinking pasta lunch. My mother feels very strongly that a wedding reception has to involve a real meal. I'm not sure I agree, but it's her money so her call. :p Does it change the answer if he asked if his parents should contribute and my mother said say no, we've got i?
    Posted by letsplaytag[/QUOTE]

    huh? why on earth wouldn't you include a meal? these are your friends and family who have come to celebrate your marriage. you dont know if you should give them a meal?! rethink that. if your're hving the reception at meal time (lunch or dinner) yes of course you need to provide a meal. the only time that you can get away with not serving a meal but just cake or whatever is mid-afternoon before dinner but after lunch and for a very short reception. and your mom is paying anyway so what does it matter to you? would you tell her 'no mom dont give everyone a meal'?

    no them offering does not change the answer.  ask your mom how many people his mom can invite. then FI can tell his mom. no biggie.

     

  • and considering that this is 15 months away i wouldn't worry all that much about it now. you dont have to send out invites for a year and 8-10 months for save the dates.

     

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FMIL: "We have to invite them, but they won't come" : huh? why on earth wouldn't you include a meal? these are your friends and family who have come to celebrate your marriage. you dont know if you should give them a meal?! rethink that. if your're hving the reception at meal time (lunch or dinner) yes of course you need to provide a meal. the only time that you can get away with not serving a meal but just cake or whatever is mid-afternoon before dinner but after lunch and for a very short reception. and your mom is paying anyway so what does it matter to you? would you tell her 'no mom dont give everyone a meal'? no them offering does not change the answer.  ask your mom how many people his mom can invite. then FI can tell his mom. no biggie.
    Posted by alithebride[/QUOTE]

    Oh no, sorry, I was unclear. I'm totally fine with having a meal. Current plans do involve a meal. When I say pasta, I mean like spaghetti or baked ziti or something, not just pasta salads. What I meant about my mother is that my mother thinks that a mid-afternoon cake reception like you mentioned is impolite. We agree that any reception that's close to a mealtime HAS to involve a meal. Someone asked about what kind of food we were having, that's why I mentioned it.
  • itzMSitzMS member
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    edited March 2013

    1. You need to determine what your budget is, and how many guests you can afford to host.

    2. You and FI need to decide as a couple if you would like children (& family) invited.

    3. FI needs to speak to his mother and inform her that she is alotted 100 invitees (or however many)

    4. If your wedding is during a meal time, you need to serve a meal. It doesn't have to be fancy, but you need options...not everyone eats just "pasta". A meat/protein, veggie, and a starch. Simple and easy.

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    [QUOTE]1. You need to determine what your budget is, and how many guests you can afford to host. 2. You and FI need to decide as a couple if you would like children (& family) invited. 3. FI needs to speak to his mother and inform her that she is alotted 100 invitees (or however many) 4. If your wedding is during a meal time, you need to serve a meal. It doesn't have to be fancy, but you need options...not everyone eats just "pasta". A meat/protein, veggie, and a starch. Simple and easy.
    Posted by itzMS[/QUOTE]
    1. We are hoping to stay under $5k.
    2. We love children, so we want them. Also not having children is not really an option because of my family politics.
    3. I was kind of hoping that there was a way to avoid telling them that because I know what hairy family politics are like and I'm trying to keep my family and his family friendly. But that's looking difficult to avoid. Okay.
    4. We're going to have options to tick on the RSVP card for people who have dietary issues, don't worry. I have a sister who's gluten free, an aunt who's vegetarian, and half my family is lactose intolerant so I am aware that having cheesy, meaty noodles won't work for everyone. <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" />
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FMIL: "We have to invite them, but they won't come" : 1. We are hoping to stay under $5k. 2. We love children, so we want them. Also not having children is not really an option because of my family politics. <strong>3. I was kind of hoping that there was a way to avoid telling them that because I know what hairy family politics are like and I'm trying to keep my family and his family friendly. But that's looking difficult to avoid.</strong> Okay. 4. We're going to have options to tick on the RSVP card for people who have dietary issues, don't worry. I have a sister who's gluten free, an aunt who's vegetarian, and half my family is lactose intolerant so I am aware that having cheesy, meaty noodles won't work for everyone.
    Posted by letsplaytag[/QUOTE]

    There is no way to avoid this.  If you don't provide them with a max number then his parents are going to feel that they can invite the entire world to your wedding.  Telling them a max number is not rude in anyway.  There is always a limit to how many people can be invited to any event and your wedding is no different.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FMIL: "We have to invite them, but they won't come" : There is no way to avoid this.  If you don't provide them with a max number then his parents are going to feel that they can invite the entire world to your wedding.  Telling them a max number is not rude in anyway.  There is always a limit to how many people can be invited to any event and your wedding is no different.
    Posted by Maggie0829[/QUOTE]
    Fair point. Thanks for putting it that way.
  • Typically the best and most fair way to split up a guest list is by doing it in thirds.  This way one group won't feel like they are less important then the other two groups.

    So, if you have a max number of 175 guests then your parents get 58 invites, you and your FI get 58 invites and your FMIL/FFIL gets 58 invites.

  • I completely understand how you feel! My FMIL informed me 2 Weeks ago that we needed to invite her entire family, she's one of 9 children, most of which I have never met and my fianc has not seen in up to 10 years! When my fianc and I discussed family he said his grandma was the only one that needed to be invited. Like you're family she said most of them likely won't be able to afford the trip, but I'm freaking out because our venue, that is already paid for, and budget are already set in stone and the extra people put a huge dent in that, especially considering we are paying for the entire thing! Not to mention the fact that we are just over 3 months out so obviously nothing can be changed!! Ahhh! I guess I'm not really much help with your situation, sorry! But hopefully it's comforting knowing you're not alone in you're situation! And heck at least you're figuring this out now and not 3 months before the wedding! Lol! Good luck!!
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  • My MIL told me same thing, at least 30% of her list won't come. My parents list had 6 people that wouldn't come due to travel. Guess what, 2 of the 6 from my parents list came and only 5% of MIL total list didn't come. So we ended up in the end with about 40 more people then planned for. Luckily venue was large enough to accomodate, but that really put a strain on the budget.

    You need to figure out based on your budget how many people you can afford to invite and make both sides of the family stick to the alloted number of people.
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    [QUOTE]I completely understand how you feel! My FMIL informed me 2 Weeks ago that we needed to invite her entire family, she's one of 9 children, most of which I have never met and my fianc has not seen in up to 10 years! When my fianc and I discussed family he said his grandma was the only one that needed to be invited. Like you're family she said most of them likely won't be able to afford the trip, but I'm freaking out because our venue, that is already paid for, and budget are already set in stone and the extra people put a huge dent in that, especially considering we are paying for the entire thing! Not to mention the fact that we are just over 3 months out so obviously nothing can be changed!! Ahhh! I guess I'm not really much help with your situation, sorry! But hopefully it's comforting knowing you're not alone in you're situation! And heck at least you're figuring this out now and not 3 months before the wedding! Lol! Good luck!!
    Posted by CnSinLOVE[/QUOTE]

    There is a very simple solution to your predicament.  Your FI nicely tells his Mom that "We are sorry but our guest list is complete and we will be unable to incorporate your extra guests."  And then leave it at that.  Since you and your FI are paying you don't have to invite anyone you don't want to.  And for your FMIL to decide this now when invites most likely have already been ordered is a bit rude inconsiderate of her.  She honestly didn't think about her family when the guest list was first discussed?

  • "On the other hand, I am having nightmares of everyone showing up and people having to eat peanut butter standing up."
    I laughed at this.
    Like many other very smart posters have said, your FI and his family are mistaken in thinking that this 60% will definitely not show up. This is a very common line among in-laws, I've noticed - and I'm speaking from personal experience, too. We're inviting 20 people over the age of 90 that "will definitely not come" - but I just KNOW that someone will. And my FI and his family are insisting that we invite people on top of them (meaning, FI's coworkers) since the 90 YOs "will definitely not come", but I've been very stubborn in telling FI that he can either convince his family to take these 90 YOs off the list or just suck it up and not invite his coworkers. Neither is making him happy, but it's not my problem - we are already 2 people over the venue limit and, IMHO, that's already 2 too many.
    Figure out a number with your parents and let FI know how many his family can invite. Don't worry about not pleasing them - no matter what you do, you will always not please SOMEBODY. Remember that this limit that you're setting is for everyone's own good - and for your sanity!
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_reception-ideas_fmil-we-have-to-invite-them-but-they-wont-come?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:5Discussion:643cd2e8-c2cd-49a8-ac71-32e04c46bafePost:670dd0e3-10cf-4714-bc0c-4c4a604ad8e3">Re:FMIL: quot;We have to invite them, but they won't comequot;</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re:FMIL: quot;We have to invite them, but they won't comequot; : There is a very simple solution to your predicament.  Your FI nicely tells his Mom that "We are sorry but our guest list is complete and we will be unable to incorporate your extra guests."  And then leave it at that.  Since you and your FI are paying you don't have to invite anyone you don't want to.  And for your FMIL to decide this now when invites most likely have already been ordered is a bit rude inconsiderate of her.  She honestly didn't think about her family when the guest list was first discussed?
    Posted by Maggie0829[/QUOTE]



    We never really gave or parents the option of adding people, maybe it was rude on or part, but we're paying and we felt that means the guests list is our choice! My fiances brother got engaged and married within about 3 months and I think she keeps thinking of our wedding the same way they thought about his brothers wedding...we've been engaged for a year...obviously very different. She actually told me most of them won't come, but we should invite them anyway for the gift...HOW TACKY!!!!! My fiancé has talked with his mom and ask her siblings who will actually make the trip and we will then check and see if we can accommodate the late additions! Just so frustrating :(
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  • OP, I would suggest not sending STDs if you and FI are undecided on who eactly you're inviting. I'm not sure if you're planning on it, but that could potentially make things a little more difficult if you do send them to all 300 people and later have to cut the list due to budget or space constraints. It is absolutely not rude to set a maximum number of guests for both sides - yours and your FI's family. Also, FI should be telling his mom the maximum number she can invite.
  • QueerFemmeQueerFemme member
    First Anniversary First Answer 5 Love Its First Comment
    edited March 2013
    Everyone else has already given you great advice. But, just wanted to say, we invited probably 20-25 people we KNEW wouldnt' come.  Within 2 weeks after receiving our STDs, more than 10 of those people had booked flights. By the time the invites went out, another 5 or so booked flights.   We had plenty of space/budget to accomodate them, but still, we were very surprised.

    You will likely be surprised who decides to attend.  Plan for 100% attendance.
  • Sounds like some preliminary anxiety. Perhaps a few conversations together will work this out.

    I know a girl who invited 200, expected a little over 100 to be the final count, and had approx 170 RSVP Yes and a little less than that attend. She had to greatly change her food plans and take out a loan. For that reason, I am budgeting for 100% attendance and will be excited if I spend less.

    With the exception of 6 people that is not worth the fight with my FMIL, we are inviting the people we want to be there at our wedding and not people who we haven't seen since being in the womb. We are paying for it though, so we have control there.

    If I was younger and couldn't afford it,  I'd be asking FMIL to pay for the 6 people she's demanding.

    If your FMIL wants to do a second reception locally (I assume she's offering to pay). Why not let her invite the extra people to that?
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    You'll never be subject to a cash bar, gap, potluck wedding, or b-list if you marry a Muppet Overlord.
  • IMO, "We have to invite them, but they won't come" = "We have to invite them, and every single one of them will come and will be the first to reserve your room block, complain about menu/no children invited/location, and take up the best seats during the ceremony."
  • Just a forewarning, my FMIL also gave a much larger than expected list to invite and said the same thing. Originally we were inviting 120, and expecting only 80ish to come (we had room for all obviously but just didn't expect 100%). We added her list and it went up to 200 invited, but she said of her 80 person list only 20ish would come. So we were up to 100 coming. Save the dates went out and as we're getting closer they've heard a lot more are planning on coming than originally thought. So overall we went from expecting 80 to possibly around 140.
    In our case his parents have helped quite a bit and we had no problem adding people. Anyways I just wanted to show that just because it seems doubtful that people will travel that far if they don't really know you, doesn't mean they won't (we're 6 hours from the majority of the people invited). Luckily we did what everyone is suggesting for you to do and planned to be able to accommodate 100% acceptance.
  • Have your FI read this thread:


    Obviously, this MOB and the couple over-invited and didn't have room for everyone that accepted.

    Keep in mind that sometimes families get these invitations and see a family reunion on someone else's dime and you get a much higher turnout.  Your FMIL can't guarantee those people won't come.  She may well be right about several of them, but there are no guarantees.

    When my oldest DD got married 8  years ago I took the wonderful advice to plan for 100% attendance even though all 3 moms felt not everyone would come.  Dang good thing I did - she had a 96% acceptance rate in the middle of Michigan Winter.
  • i have to think too-why not jsut pay for it yourselves when you can. dont let your mom dictate your wedding to you and FI-or his mom either. when you pay YOU say.

     

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    [QUOTE]i have to think too-why not jsut pay for it yourselves when you can. dont let your mom dictate your wedding to you and FI-or his mom either. when you pay YOU say.
    Posted by alithebride[/QUOTE]
    Because we're in college and we don't have full-time jobs!

    To all, we have found a location that would fit all his family for cheap, but not be empty if they didn't come, so it won't be as big a deal as I had feared either way. Thanks!
  • To avoid looking like a jerk, maybe you could tell his mom that you really wish you could invite everyone but financially that isn't possible and give her the amount that she can invite. Maybe also telling her that if she wanted to invite her whole list, her paying the difference would make it possible. That way you will be giving her several options and making what she wants, technically possible instead of just putting your hand down and saying no and having her make it into something that will create drama. Plus, if she does pay the difference, and you do have a large room with not enough people...you could do something nice with the extra space and with all those bodies in the room, no one will complain that they have extra room :)
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