No you can't bring your gun

mrscaty

The state of new York does NOT recognize conceal carry permits from out of state. If you family has a permit from the state where they live, and that is not NY, it's illegal to carry at your venue. It doesn't matter that your venue is a gun range. Venue is in NY, no dice. But again, how is anyone going to know if it's concealed. So there's that too.

tcnoble

pinkrevenge said:

tcnoble said:

I don't think people conceal and carry (specifically in this case to a wedding) because they anticipate a shoot out. But people also don't go to movie theaters and college campuses expecting a shoot out either, and it happens. 

If someone has their CCW then they can carry wherever they so choose - so unless your venue has a policy (which it sounds like it does not given that there's a gun range) you can pass by word of mouth you'd appreciate if they left them behind, but otherwise not much you can do about it. Trust your venue security to handle it if they become any shade of irresponsible.

As someone who DID go through a school shooting, I'm rolling my eyes HARD. Having a gun on your hip doesn't make you Jason Bourne. Without honest-to-god in-depth tactical training, which VERY few gun owners ever get, it just makes you a scared citizen who is likely to cause further harm by spraying bullets at other people / causing a methodical shooter to become a deranged shoot-out.

Oh I totally agree - I'm just saying that just because no one expects gun fire at a wedding, doesn't mean someone with a CCW will be inclined to leave their gun at home.

mikenberger

majorkira said:

I live in nyc but am getting married in the south where their guns are perfectly legal.

mrsgoldfish said:

The state of new York does NOT recognize conceal carry permits from out of state. If you family has a permit from the state where they live, and that is not NY, it's illegal to carry at your venue. It doesn't matter that your venue is a gun range. Venue is in NY, no dice. But again, how is anyone going to know if it's concealed. So there's that too.

She's getting married in the gun loving states. So chances are they'll take a gun permit from anywhere

momofbride530

I'm from the South and all my friends and family have concealed/open carry permits. But, I have never seen one at a wedding. Just because they have a concealed carry doesn't mean they will have a gun hidden in a jacket.

badbnagdway

momofbride530 said:

I'm from the South and all my friends and family have concealed/open carry permits. But, I have never seen one at a wedding. Just because they have a concealed carry doesn't mean they will have a gun hidden in a jacket.

I am from the liberal north and have lived in the south most of my adult life. I have been to weddings in VA, SC, GA, LA and TN and not seen guns at any of them. Maybe I haven't noticed or they are well concealed. My experience has been that gun owners are generally responsible and would not carry while drinking. (Edit for typo).

ElcaB

Unless your venue prohibits firearms, you're SOL. Why are you so concerned about firearms at your wedding? Does Uncle Bill typically pack the heat & wave it around for all to see at family events, or what? 

Honestly, I think you're too concerned. 

jayfire

Speaking as someone who has a license to conceal and carry a firearm, I would never bring my gun to a wedding. Mostly because in my state (and most others) it is illegal to carry a firearm in "any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense beer or alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose," which pretty much covers bars, reception halls, etc.

I honestly wouldn't worry too much about it. Any sane, responsible gun owner is going to leave his/her gun at home and enjoy your wedding!

mrscaty

mikenberger said:

She's getting married in the gun loving states. So chances are they'll take a gun permit from anywhere

aaahhh...I somehow missed that part. I think OP is SOL if her family wants to concealed carry. As long as they aren't acting like jackasses, who's even going to know.

NoneForUs

Why would guests need to carry guns to a wedding? 

Are some people really so gun crazy that they cannot leave their firearms at home for a formal celebration? 

Maybe I am shocked because we have such strict gun laws in Canada. 

VulgarGirl

You don't even need a permit to open carry in my state. Or to buy a gun. Seriously you need to be 18 and not a felon. And boom gun.

A few of our guests regularly open carry. As in when they go to the gas station they have a gun on their hip. Why? I don't know.

I don't believe anyone was carrying at my wedding though. At least not that I saw.

CSunshine76

majorkira said:

LadyMillil said:

HaileyDancingbear said:

majorkira said:

I live in nyc but am getting married in the south where their guns are perfectly legal.

But are they allowed in your particular venue?  For instance, if I carry around a legal blade for self-defense, it's legal for me to carry around on the street, but could still be confiscated if I enter certain buildings because they have the right to say "no weapons" even if the weapon I carry is technically legal.  

I'd be amazed if your venue allows guns.  If it doesn't, problem solved.  Just tell your family they either leave their firearm behind or they're not allowed in the building.  

And get them a big bottle of chill pills while you're at it because how can a person be SO PARANOID that they think they need a concealed firearm to protect themselves at a WEDDING?  Like what, are the british coming?  Is a redcoat gonna jump out of your cake to tax you without representation? 

Maybe they've been watching too much Game of Thrones.

The venue has a shooting range and might allow guns. It is also been brought to my attention that even if the venue says no if state laws say wherever then they may be able t carry them there anyway.

This would have been good info to include in your original post. Hopefully your family are law abiding citizens and if they have CHLs, they understand the "conceal" part and no one will be the wiser that they are carrying. Now, if the range is open and they want some entertainment, that's a completely different can of worms. Who gets married at a gun range but isn't a gun lover? Wth?

mikenberger

NoneForUs said:

Why would guests need to carry guns to a wedding? 

Are some people really so gun crazy that they cannot leave their firearms at home for a formal celebration? 

Maybe I am shocked because we have such strict gun laws in Canada. 

For some people, they have a fancy gun they wear for such occasions. If I'm lying, I'm dying. And it's not being "gun crazy", it's more of "I can, so I will." I have a lot of friends that carry and it's just a part of their getting dressed routine. Much like putting on pants.

caitlinmarie13

My fiancé and most of his friends have concealed carry permits, but none of them would ever be irresponsible enough to carry a gun while they are drinking! Hopefully since your family sounds like they are regular gun carriers they can make a rational and safe decision for themselves. If they have taken the concealed carry class they should know the safety laws and you shouldn't worry about it.

princessleia22

If they "conceal" carry, nobody should even know they have it... that's the point of it being concealed.  Even if the laws/venue allow them to carry guns there, they are not allowed to consume alcohol if they have a weapon.  I have a CCW permit, even though it's not required to have permit to carry in my state (AZ).  But, if you have CCW here, you are allowed to carry in bars, as long as they don't have signs restricting it (property owner still has right to restrict weapons on their property or ask people to leave) and as long as you don't consume any alcohol. But, I believe federal laws restrict any drinking while carrying a weapon (check to confirm that though). So, I would let the family know that they need to choose between guns or alcohol.  And if they are seen drinking while carrying, they will be asked to leave or remove the weapon from the facility.  I'm guessing most gun-totting southerners would choose alcohol over having a gun on their hip at a wedding.

lovesclimbing

CSunshine76 said:

majorkira said:

LadyMillil said:

HaileyDancingbear said:

majorkira said:

I live in nyc but am getting married in the south where their guns are perfectly legal.

But are they allowed in your particular venue?  For instance, if I carry around a legal blade for self-defense, it's legal for me to carry around on the street, but could still be confiscated if I enter certain buildings because they have the right to say "no weapons" even if the weapon I carry is technically legal.  

I'd be amazed if your venue allows guns.  If it doesn't, problem solved.  Just tell your family they either leave their firearm behind or they're not allowed in the building.  

And get them a big bottle of chill pills while you're at it because how can a person be SO PARANOID that they think they need a concealed firearm to protect themselves at a WEDDING?  Like what, are the british coming?  Is a redcoat gonna jump out of your cake to tax you without representation? 

Maybe they've been watching too much Game of Thrones.

The venue has a shooting range and might allow guns. It is also been brought to my attention that even if the venue says no if state laws say wherever then they may be able t carry them there anyway.

This would have been good info to include in your original post. Hopefully your family are law abiding citizens and if they have CHLs, they understand the "conceal" part and no one will be the wiser that they are carrying. Now, if the range is open and they want some entertainment, that's a completely different can of worms. Who gets married at a gun range but isn't a gun lover? Wth?

To the bolded and the other posts about "why get married at a gun range if you don't like guns?" posts.

My sister's rehearsal dinner was at a gun range. It was paid for by the groom's parents, and his mother is very anti-gun, and his father is more on the ambivalent side.

Sometimes, that's the only place that works.  I don't know why my sister's in-laws chose the restaurant at that gun range, and I'm not sure my sister does either. I believe it had to do with cost and what places could cater to that large of a group (the entire wedding party plus all OOT relatives, of which there were a lot, attended), and who knows what else. A whole lot of things play into what kind of venues people can choose.  For the OP, the gun range might have been the only venue that had openings at the time she needed, was cheap enough, was big/small enough, etc.

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ohannabelle

pinkrevenge said:

lovesclimbing said:

To the bolded and the other posts about "why get married at a gun range if you don't like guns?" posts.

My sister's rehearsal dinner was at a gun range. It was paid for by the groom's parents, and his mother is very anti-gun, and his father is more on the ambivalent side.

Sometimes, that's the only place that works.  I don't know why my sister's in-laws chose the restaurant at that gun range, and I'm not sure my sister does either. I believe it had to do with cost and what places could cater to that large of a group (the entire wedding party plus all OOT relatives, of which there were a lot, attended), and who knows what else. A whole lot of things play into what kind of venues people can choose.  For the OP, the gun range might have been the only venue that had openings at the time she needed, was cheap enough, was big/small enough, etc.

Okay, but now you're getting married at a gun range with a lot of guests who like guns. Why even ask how you can ban them? You can't. You practically rang the dinner bell for guns.

QFT. I'm not comfortable at all being anywhere near a gun. A gun range wouldn't even be an option for me, regardless of any other good qualities the venue had. 

majorkira

It's on over 800 acres of land. They offer it as one of over 100 different outdoor activities. the gun range is a drive away from everything and only shoots their own guns and is under the supervision of a professional. I don't mind if people shoot guns away from me. I don't see how them having a gun range is a blanket endorsement of having guns available and on hand at every event at all times?

 If I had a venue that had a pool am I not allowed to say "please don't swim DURING the ceremony". Thats all I am asking really, no guns (concealed of otherwise) at the ceremony or other formal events. What they do outside of my presence is fine by me (assuming they aren't total assholes and intentionally frighten my liberal family)

majorkira

Some people did get out of hand at my cousin's wedding last september and fired shots in the air in celebration. Really freaked me out but apparently this is a thing people do??

Kahlyla

There's just so much I simply can't wrap my head around here, but hey, that could just be me (I don't think it is).

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majorkira

My family on that side is not wealthy so we wanted to limit the cost of their travel/accommodations and we chose the venue because it's one of the best resorts in the world, believe me when I say there are not many quality venues within driving distance of my family. 

I just don't see how me having a wedding in my home state at a resort ends up being a "Well OF COURSE people are going to bring their guns. You were asking for it!" I am not opposed to all guns at all times forever. Just at my wedding for the ceremony and rehearsal dinner. 

I don't like horses but this place has an extensive equestrian program and is in a very horse friendly state, does this mean everyone gets to go to my ceremony mounted on a horse or in the company of their own personal miniature pony?

JCbride2015

majorkira said:

My family on that side is not wealthy so we wanted to limit the cost of their travel/accommodations and we chose the venue because it's one of the best resorts in the world, believe me when I say there are not many quality venues within driving distance of my family. 

I just don't see how me having a wedding in my home state at a resort ends up being a "Well OF COURSE people are going to bring their guns. You were asking for it!" I am not opposed to all guns at all times forever. Just at my wedding for the ceremony and rehearsal dinner. 

I don't like horses but this place has an extensive equestrian program and is in a very horse friendly state, does this mean everyone gets to go to my ceremony mounted on a horse or in the company of their own personal miniature pony?

Are you trying to respond to a specific person?  Use the "quote" button so it's easier for us to figure out who you're talking to.

You're getting this reaction because you said you don't want guns at your wedding and you're not a gun person, but then you came back and said there's a gun range at your venue.  That's not a normal thing to most of us here.

Your new explanation that the range is actually a drive away from the ceremony and reception space, makes more sense.  I really think you're overthinking this.  If anybody brings their gun into the formal space, they would be violating the venue rules, right?  A place with a professional gun range isn't going to let people start brandishing guns or shooting off celebration shots.  The guest will be arrested.  Done.

Yes, you can spread via word of mouth that you'd prefer not to have guns at your wedding.  I just don't see that it's really going to actually happen, you know?

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majorkira

pinkrevenge said:

I feel like if you have family members who are that tied to their guns, telling them they can't bring their guns is going to result in them bringing all of their guns and very purposely brandishing them. Don't do that to yourself or your venue.

What I would do is let word travel that your venue is very strict on the responsible gun ownership, and anyone seen with their gun out would find themselves in the back of a paddy wagon.

Game plan: Spread word that the venue has strict personal weapon policy. Anyone openly refusing to disarm for the ceremony/ events will be disinvited. Anyone who agrees to be disarmed but brandishes their weapon will be promptly escorted off the property. 

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NoneForUs

mikenberger said:

NoneForUs said:

Why would guests need to carry guns to a wedding? 

Are some people really so gun crazy that they cannot leave their firearms at home for a formal celebration? 

Maybe I am shocked because we have such strict gun laws in Canada. 

For some people, they have a fancy gun they wear for such occasions. If I'm lying, I'm dying. And it's not being "gun crazy", it's more of "I can, so I will." I have a lot of friends that carry and it's just a part of their getting dressed routine. Much like putting on pants.

I can't wrap my head around someone needing a fancy gun to go with an outfit. I view wanting to carry a gun to a wedding as being a tad too much into firearms...that's why I made the "gun crazy" comment. 

It is amazing how different cultural viewpoints can shape our perceptions. We just don't have such ardent gun glorifying in Canada. Those who do love guns are usually hunters, military personnel, police or criminals. I'm not talking about BB guns or paintball guns either. 

lovesclimbing

pinkrevenge said:

lovesclimbing said:

To the bolded and the other posts about "why get married at a gun range if you don't like guns?" posts.

My sister's rehearsal dinner was at a gun range. It was paid for by the groom's parents, and his mother is very anti-gun, and his father is more on the ambivalent side.

Sometimes, that's the only place that works.  I don't know why my sister's in-laws chose the restaurant at that gun range, and I'm not sure my sister does either. I believe it had to do with cost and what places could cater to that large of a group (the entire wedding party plus all OOT relatives, of which there were a lot, attended), and who knows what else. A whole lot of things play into what kind of venues people can choose.  For the OP, the gun range might have been the only venue that had openings at the time she needed, was cheap enough, was big/small enough, etc.

Okay, but now you're getting married at a gun range with a lot of guests who like guns. Why even ask how you can ban them? You can't. You practically rang the dinner bell for guns.


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Oh, I agree that banning them would be difficult if not impossible and the OP shouldn't by trying to. I wasn't speaking to that, simply as to the reasoning why someone might choose a particular venue.

princessleia22

 

majorkira said:

pinkrevenge said:

I feel like if you have family members who are that tied to their guns, telling them they can't bring their guns is going to result in them bringing all of their guns and very purposely brandishing them. Don't do that to yourself or your venue.

What I would do is let word travel that your venue is very strict on the responsible gun ownership, and anyone seen with their gun out would find themselves in the back of a paddy wagon.

Game plan: Spread word that the venue has strict personal weapon policy. Anyone openly refusing to disarm for the ceremony/ events will be disinvited. Anyone who agrees to be disarmed but brandishes their weapon will be promptly escorted off the property. 

If your family is that pro-gun, telling them "no guns or I'll uninvited you" will only cause anger and people trying to defy your ruling.  Generally "gun nuts" don't look too kindly on people trying to take away their right to legally carry.  My husband is a sometimes carrier, but definitely in support of his right to carry... if you made an ultimatum like that, you would guarantee that he would show up with a concealed weapon on him. Or maybe even a not-so-concealed weapon.  Your best course of action is to have your family spread word that this is a formal event and the bride and groom would prefer to have weapons left outside of the event.  And that alcohol will not be served to anyone that does bring a weapon into the event. If your family has any respect for you (or they like to drink at weddings), they should be willing to abide by that request.

majorkira

pinkrevenge said:

majorkira said:

pinkrevenge said:

I feel like if you have family members who are that tied to their guns, telling them they can't bring their guns is going to result in them bringing all of their guns and very purposely brandishing them. Don't do that to yourself or your venue.

What I would do is let word travel that your venue is very strict on the responsible gun ownership, and anyone seen with their gun out would find themselves in the back of a paddy wagon.

Game plan: Spread word that the venue has strict personal weapon policy. Anyone openly refusing to disarm for the ceremony/ events will be disinvited. Anyone who agrees to be disarmed but brandishes their weapon will be promptly escorted off the property. 

What? NO. That is not what I said!
What I said was that you let it spread by word of mouth that the exact concealed carry laws will be strictly enforced, meaning having guns out around alcohol and discharging them will leave them accountable to the venue following the law. You don't get involved at all. You leave this to your guests, the rules of the venue (so call them) and the local laws. YOU do not dictate anything.

The only way what I said was different from what you suggested was uninviting people who make it clear that they do not plan to follow the rules (and there has already been talk of that). If something were to happen (not that it would) and it came out that I knew someone was planning on breaking the law/ venue rules, that could leave me legally liable in a major way. Other than that I am leaving the communicating of the rules/ potential removal of irresponsible gun owners to the venue.