Etiquette vent

mrs4everhart

NYCBruin said:

NYCBruin said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Not only can I think for myself, I can fend for myself as well. Ours is not a relationship based on need, only want. I was not raised to rely on anyone other than myself, so I'm never in a position of weakness in a relationship. We're equals, through and through. If I occassionally need to be reeled in it's because I'm spun out overthinking things generally brought about by some inherently female need to please, overcompensate, follow some ridiculous guideline to make sure everyone's feelings are just so or meet some artificially high expectation. 

As it happens, I prefer to emulate and relate more to the way men think than women 80% of the time. Men solve problems. Women seem to create them. Men avoid drama. Women, well, I'm sure you can see the pattern. I prefer facts, not beating around the bush, brass tacks, that sort of thing. As far as etiquette is concerned, I'm not concerned with its origins, but doubtful a group of men decided they'd set some ground rules after some guy forgot to send another a thank you note so many years ago. 

I'm far from helpless. The opportunities for other women to be the same are endless. I'm sure my blatant disregard for etiquette I have no use for is not holding women back from reaching their full potential. 

Holy fuck, you are annoying.  Why are you so anti-women?  You may find me annoying, what I find myself is amused as hell. Never once did I say I was anti-women. Because I prefer the way men think/problem solve to the way women do, doesn't make me anti-women. It simply means I have a preference.

You do realize also that although you claim to be more like a guy and don't like drama like most women, you have spent an insane amount of time on here for the sole purpose of stirring up drama. Because this shit is fucking funny! 

Pretend to be "one of the guys" all you want.  I can't know the reason why you don't have a lot of female friends but I'm sure it has nothing to do with you actually being more like a guy. It may have something to do with your open dislike (jealousy maybe?) of other women or the fact that it sounds like you like to put other women down to make yourself more attractive to men. Um, you realize you just made all of this up, right? Never did I say I didn't have a lot of female friends. I never mentioned friendships one way or the other, with men or women. But thanks for offering up some of your insight. That's good stuff! 

Are you really so dumb that you don't realize how perpetuating false generalizations and stereotypes about men and women and the way they think is incredibly anti-women? If so, I'm legitimately sad for you.

If you'd like to discuss false generalizations, allow me to re-quote you:

Pretend to be "one of the guys" all you want.  I can't know the reason why you don't have a lot of female friends but I'm sure it has nothing to do with you actually being more like a guy. It may have something to do with your open dislike (jealousy maybe?) of other women or the fact that it sounds like you like to put other women down to make yourself more attractive to men.

All false. All based on generalizations. Pot, meet kettle. 

mrs4everhart

mobkaz said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

Lamiavita said:

Forgive me on being totally lost on the Mexico thing... I ask out of genuine curiosity. Why do you need to go to Mexico at all? If you're already married, why not you and your H take your honeymoon in Mexico? I don't understand why you want to get married in Mexico if you're already married?

Super short version: we got engaged, started planning a DW in Mexico, decided to take care of the paperwork in our home state first bc we do not prefer the requirements in MX, FI got sick, needed insurance, we decided to take care of the legal portion sooner than next fall so he could obtain said insurance. Neither of us consider signing a marriage license the same thing as a wedding, despite opposing viewpoints offered here. We decided not to change our plans. DW is still a go.

Super, super short version:  Fraud, lie, cheat.  Not necessarily in that order.  But when the attributes are that pathetic, does it matter?  Not to them, so it shouldn't for us.

Congrats! You've finally gotten it! You SHOULDN'T care! It's about time!

NYCBruin

STBMrsEverhart said:

NYCBruin said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

NYCBruin said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

If you'd like to discuss false generalizations, allow me to re-quote you:

Pretend to be "one of the guys" all you want.  I can't know the reason why you don't have a lot of female friends but I'm sure it has nothing to do with you actually being more like a guy. It may have something to do with your open dislike (jealousy maybe?) of other women or the fact that it sounds like you like to put other women down to make yourself more attractive to men.

All false. All based on generalizations. Pot, meet kettle. 

Me making an assumption about YOU (one person) is not a generalization. Making an assumption about one person based on things that they actually said is MUCH different than making generalizations about half the world's population. But nice try.

mrs4everhart

NYCBruin said:

NYCBruin said:

NYCBruin said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

Pretend to be "one of the guys" all you want.  I can't know the reason why you don't have a lot of female friends but I'm sure it has nothing to do with you actually being more like a guy. It may have something to do with your open dislike (jealousy maybe?) of other women or the fact that it sounds like you like to put other women down to make yourself more attractive to men.

All false. All based on generalizations. Pot, meet kettle. 

Me making an assumption about YOU (one person) is not a generalization. Making an assumption about one person based on things that they actually said is MUCH different than making generalizations about half the world's population. But nice try.

The assumptions you are making about me are based on generalizations. You think because I prefer male problem solving to female I therefore am anti-women, so I must not have female friends, am jealous of other women, and practice devaluing other women in order to make myself attractive to the opposite sex. Those ideas came from generalizations, much like stereotypes.  They don't apply to me, but you are still painting with a mighty broad brush. 

HaileyDancingbear

STBMrsEverhart said:

HaileyDancingbear said:

NYCBruin said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Not only can I think for myself, I can fend for myself as well. Ours is not a relationship based on need, only want. I was not raised to rely on anyone other than myself, so I'm never in a position of weakness in a relationship. We're equals, through and through. If I occassionally need to be reeled in it's because I'm spun out overthinking things generally brought about by some inherently female need to please, overcompensate, follow some ridiculous guideline to make sure everyone's feelings are just so or meet some artificially high expectation. 

As it happens, I prefer to emulate and relate more to the way men think than women 80% of the time. Men solve problems. Women seem to create them. Men avoid drama. Women, well, I'm sure you can see the pattern. I prefer facts, not beating around the bush, brass tacks, that sort of thing. As far as etiquette is concerned, I'm not concerned with its origins, but doubtful a group of men decided they'd set some ground rules after some guy forgot to send another a thank you note so many years ago. 

I'm far from helpless. The opportunities for other women to be the same are endless. I'm sure my blatant disregard for etiquette I have no use for is not holding women back from reaching their full potential. 

Holy fuck, you are annoying.  Why are you so anti-women?  

You do realize also that although you claim to be more like a guy and don't like drama like most women, you have spent an insane amount of time on here for the sole purpose of stirring up drama.

Pretend to be "one of the guys" all you want.  I can't know the reason why you don't have a lot of female friends but I'm sure it has nothing to do with you actually being more like a guy.  It may have something to do with your open dislike (jealousy maybe?) of other women or the fact that it sounds like you like to put other women down to make yourself more attractive to men.

This.  If you really hate the knot so much why the hell are you here?  You've made it extremely obvious you hate all advice given on here, and you've made it obvious you won't listen to anyone, so if you really wanted to avoid drama, you wouldn't bother commenting, or even looking at these message boards.  And don't give me that stupid "Someone has to tell these people off" argument,  you're not teaching anyone a lesson and you're not doing anything worthwhile, you're just arguing.

Someone who is really "One of the guys" wouldn't be on the knot picking fights.  

If you were really so above this drama and really didn't care what any of us had to say, you'd delete your account and go find something else to do.  

Like I've said above - this shit is too funny! Where else can you find some nutjob proclaiming she checks public records prior to RSVP'ing for weddings, et al? I guess I'm too easily amused.

What's really amusing here is how you felt the need to comment that women cause problems and start drama and that's why you prefer to emulate and relate to men, yet you're on a wedding website purposely stirring up drama for fun.  

NYCBruin

STBMrsEverhart said:

NYCBruin said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

NYCBruin said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

NYCBruin said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

The assumptions you are making about me are based on generalizations. You think because I prefer male problem solving to female I therefore am anti-women, so I must not have female friends, am jealous of other women, and practice devaluing other women in order to make myself attractive to the opposite sex. Those ideas came from generalizations, much like stereotypes.  They don't apply to me, but you are still painting with a mighty broad brush. 

No actually, in general there are lots of women who prefer the company of men who don't dislike other women or who would make terribly sexist statements like you have . My assumptions about you are based on your own statements and your own statements alone.

But that's lets not let you deflect from the main issue, which is that you have made some awful sexist statements (which you have repeated in your last post) and are a huge hypocrite.

mrs4everhart

HaileyDancingbear said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

HaileyDancingbear said:

NYCBruin said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Not only can I think for myself, I can fend for myself as well. Ours is not a relationship based on need, only want. I was not raised to rely on anyone other than myself, so I'm never in a position of weakness in a relationship. We're equals, through and through. If I occassionally need to be reeled in it's because I'm spun out overthinking things generally brought about by some inherently female need to please, overcompensate, follow some ridiculous guideline to make sure everyone's feelings are just so or meet some artificially high expectation. 

As it happens, I prefer to emulate and relate more to the way men think than women 80% of the time. Men solve problems. Women seem to create them. Men avoid drama. Women, well, I'm sure you can see the pattern. I prefer facts, not beating around the bush, brass tacks, that sort of thing. As far as etiquette is concerned, I'm not concerned with its origins, but doubtful a group of men decided they'd set some ground rules after some guy forgot to send another a thank you note so many years ago. 

I'm far from helpless. The opportunities for other women to be the same are endless. I'm sure my blatant disregard for etiquette I have no use for is not holding women back from reaching their full potential. 

Holy fuck, you are annoying.  Why are you so anti-women?  

You do realize also that although you claim to be more like a guy and don't like drama like most women, you have spent an insane amount of time on here for the sole purpose of stirring up drama.

Pretend to be "one of the guys" all you want.  I can't know the reason why you don't have a lot of female friends but I'm sure it has nothing to do with you actually being more like a guy.  It may have something to do with your open dislike (jealousy maybe?) of other women or the fact that it sounds like you like to put other women down to make yourself more attractive to men.

This.  If you really hate the knot so much why the hell are you here?  You've made it extremely obvious you hate all advice given on here, and you've made it obvious you won't listen to anyone, so if you really wanted to avoid drama, you wouldn't bother commenting, or even looking at these message boards.  And don't give me that stupid "Someone has to tell these people off" argument,  you're not teaching anyone a lesson and you're not doing anything worthwhile, you're just arguing.

Someone who is really "One of the guys" wouldn't be on the knot picking fights.  

If you were really so above this drama and really didn't care what any of us had to say, you'd delete your account and go find something else to do.  

Like I've said above - this shit is too funny! Where else can you find some nutjob proclaiming she checks public records prior to RSVP'ing for weddings, et al? I guess I'm too easily amused.

What's really amusing here is how you felt the need to comment that women cause problems and start drama and that's why you prefer to emulate and relate to men, yet you're on a wedding website purposely stirring up drama for fun.  

I didn't stir up a thing. I commented to the OP I think her Grandma and FI are on the right track (paraphrasing). Not my fault y'all get so riled up over a completely made up concept (the so-called PPD). I'm not above being amused at how pissy you all become. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. 

NYCBruin

I didn't stir up a thing. I commented to the OP I think her Grandma and FI are on the right track (paraphrasing). Not my fault y'all get so riled up over a completely made up concept (the so-called PPD). I'm not above being amused at how pissy you all become. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. 


What precisely is your definition of loving drama if it doesn't include engaging in a conversation where you are taking the opposite position of the majority of participants and enjoying watching them disagree with you?

RebeccaB88

See? Didn't take @Lamiavita long to get it. And most people are smart like that. It's not that hard...

I genuinely don't understand... How do you get married when you're married?
It's like when you're 5, and you play wedding with the boy from across the street. Only, you're adults and already married. You spend a lot of money and time getting dressed up and pretending to get married in front of a whole bunch of people who may or may not think they're really watching you get legally married. It's just putting on a show, a play, so that people can make a big deal over you while you wear a pretty dress and take pictures.

RebeccaB88

DP

MobKaz

STBMrsEverhart said:
mobkaz said:
STBMrsEverhart said:

Lamiavita said: Forgive me on being totally lost on the Mexico thing... I ask out of genuine curiosity. Why do you need to go to Mexico at all? If you're already married, why not you and your H take your honeymoon in Mexico? I don't understand why you want to get married in Mexico if you're already married?

@STBEverhart said........Super short version: we got engaged, started planning a DW in Mexico, decided to take care of the paperwork in our home state first bc we do not prefer the requirements in MX, FI got sick, needed insurance, we decided to take care of the legal portion sooner than next fall so he could obtain said insurance. Neither of us consider signing a marriage license the same thing as a wedding, despite opposing viewpoints offered here. We decided not to change our plans. DW is still a go.

@mobkaz said.......Super, super short version:  Fraud, lie, cheat.  Not necessarily in that order.  But when the attributes are that pathetic, does it matter?  Not to them, so it shouldn't for us.

@STBEverhart said.......Congrats! You've finally gotten it! You SHOULDN'T care! It's about time!  

I got it, and you, quite some time ago.  What is sad, because you cannot refute the truth, is that you never argue my points about your fraudulent, lying dog and pony show.

mrs4everhart

mobkaz said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

mobkaz said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

Lamiavita said:

Forgive me on being totally lost on the Mexico thing... I ask out of genuine curiosity. Why do you need to go to Mexico at all? If you're already married, why not you and your H take your honeymoon in Mexico? I don't understand why you want to get married in Mexico if you're already married?

@STBEverhart said........Super short version: we got engaged, started planning a DW in Mexico, decided to take care of the paperwork in our home state first bc we do not prefer the requirements in MX, FI got sick, needed insurance, we decided to take care of the legal portion sooner than next fall so he could obtain said insurance. Neither of us consider signing a marriage license the same thing as a wedding, despite opposing viewpoints offered here. We decided not to change our plans. DW is still a go.

@mobkaz said.......Super, super short version:  Fraud, lie, cheat.  Not necessarily in that order.  But when the attributes are that pathetic, does it matter?  Not to them, so it shouldn't for us.

@STBEverhart said.......Congrats! You've finally gotten it! You SHOULDN'T care! It's about time!

 

I got it, and you, quite some time ago.  What is sad, because you cannot refute the truth, is that you never argue my points about your fraudulent, lying dog and pony show.

I'm not sure what you'd like me to refute? I've answered every legit question about the reasons, details, etc. posed here. What is it that needs refuting specifically?

mrs4everhart

NYCBruin said:

I didn't stir up a thing. I commented to the OP I think her Grandma and FI are on the right track (paraphrasing). Not my fault y'all get so riled up over a completely made up concept (the so-called PPD). I'm not above being amused at how pissy you all become. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. 

What precisely is your definition of loving drama if it doesn't include engaging in a conversation where you are taking the opposite position of the majority of participants and enjoying watching them disagree with you?

The types of drama I do not participate in, and try to avoid, is of the shit-talking, back-biting, judgement casting variety. Disagreeing with an opinion, however popular it may be to a certain group, isn't all that dramatic really, imo. 

HisGirlFriday13

OK, I vote we all put @STBMrsEverhart on our ignore lists, so we won't see her stupid comments and sexism and perpetuation of ridiculous stereotypes.

Plusalso, if we can't see her shit, no one will respond to it, and like a plant denied water and light, she will shrivel up and go away.

mrs4everhart

RebeccaB88 said: See? Didn't take @Lamiavita long to get it. And most people are smart like that. It's not that hard... I genuinely don't understand... How do you get married when you're married?
It's like when you're 5, and you play wedding with the boy from across the street. Only, you're adults and already married. You spend a lot of money and time getting dressed up and pretending to get married in front of a whole bunch of people who may or may not think they're really watching you get legally married. It's just putting on a show, a play, so that people can make a big deal over you while you wear a pretty dress and take pictures. 

That's what ALL weddings of that style can and should be classified then. If being married in the eyes of the state is the end game, NO ONE needs a dress, witnesses, vows, rings, cake, dancing, food, booze, any of it. 

It's all very simple. Many people do not feel the need to fulfill their legal requirements at the same time/date/place they exchange their vows/rings/whatever it is they're in to. We fall in to that ever-growing category of people. 

kmmssg

LADIES - stop feeding the troll and she will go away.  WHY are you feeding into her?