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Parents freaking out about female ceremony officiant

My fiance and I both attend a Presbyterian church that has a pastor and a co-pastor. The latter of which is a woman, which is no big deal to me and my fiance at all. They share church duties and one covers for the other if they are sick, out of town, etc. She is a wonderful pastor, is sincere, caring, and very involved with the church. My parents raised me for about half my life in a fundamentalist, CREC, get-married-at-16-and-make-30-babies, women-can't-be-church-officials-or-have-real-jobs church. Needless to say, I did the typical thing girls do after such an experience: I went to a liberal arts college and became a feminist (which apparently they think is some sort of man-hating cult...).

Anyway, so it turns out by luck of the draw that the male pastor of my church is out of town for my wedding, and the female pastor will be officiating. Obviously this is fine with me, but my parents have been really ugly about it. Ironically, my mother has been the most obnoxious. They're wonderful people, in their way, but I'm getting sick of hearing about how I need to have my (morally reprehensible, womanizing) cousin as a reader so "we will have a man up there, at least". I got pretty bitchy at my mom about it, saying that if having a penis is the only requirement for officiating at a wedding, she is setting the bar pretty low. And she ignored the entire statement and only latched onto the fact that I had used the word penis in a sentence and how I'm juvenile and gross... Yay.

 I abhor patriarchal ideas about "a woman's place" because I've seen first-hand how oppressive and limiting this is to women and girls.

Anyway, since the wedding is drawing closer, my parents have become less and less diplomatic. They will angrily proclaim that they're over it and that it's only a 25 minute ceremony, but they continually bring it up, and then get ticked off at me for reacting defensively. I was without religion through college because I had had such a terrible experience in my childhood and early teens, and have only recently found home in this church. I am still on the fence about religion and how it relates to women, but I find the routine comforting. Sometimes they insist on going with me only to complain about how "wordy" and "fluffy" and "feminist" the female minister's sermon was (it was a pretty rote sermon about generosity in the context of Jesus sharing the loaves and fishes with the multitude...sheesh).

This is driving me nuts. How do I get my parents to respect me enough to just shut their mouths? I don't need them to agree with me. I just want them to can it and let me have a nice wedding, with, *gasp* a female officiant that I respect.
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Re: Parents freaking out about female ceremony officiant

  • Bean dip bean dip bean dip. Just ignore them when they bring it up. As long as your FI and you are happy with her, that's all that matters. Every time they say something say "have you tried this ____" "did you read about_____" etc. Just blow them off.
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  • I'm so bad at ignoring people who bait me. It's a personality flaw. I will try, though. It's probably the best thing to do.
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  • I'm so bad at ignoring people who bait me. It's a personality flaw. I will try, though. It's probably the best thing to do.
    I hear you, I am too, but in this situation it would be best. Or just tell them you're tired of talking about the wedding, lets talk about ____
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  • Just say, 'Yes, so you've told me. Repeatedly. As you might have noticed, it didn't change my opinion. So you can either keep harping on something I won't change or STFU about it and we can talk about something pleasant. Your choice, really, but since you're doing nothing other than wasting your breath and annoying me, I suggest you build a bridge and GTFO it.'

    I do feel you on this one -- DH's grandmother nagged us REPEATEDLY to have her pastor co-officiate with our priest. DH and I are Catholic (hence the priest) and weren't terribly interested in having her Lutheran pastor (with serious dogmatic issues) co-officiate our wedding.

    I finally said that it was a Catholic Mass, it wasn't up for discussion, and that any further discussion would be dealt with harshly. DH told her to STFU about it or he wasn't going to invite her.

    Ultimately, the order of the ceremony is the one thing you and your FI can truly put your feet down about and say, 'This is OUR DAY and we're doing this OUR WAY.' If that means having a female pastor, then your parents can like it or not but their opinion isn't relevant.
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    I'm gonna go with 'not my circus, not my monkeys.'
  • Mom, Dad I have heard your objections. It is clear what they are. The main paster is out of town I am sorry that bothers you, but FI and I are getting married XYZ day. If it bothers you so much you can stay home, but please stop impeding the planing proses by your constant objecting. It is anti productive and causing unneeded added stress.

    I need all the love and support I can get planning this wedding. Your continual objection is hurtful and unsupportive.
  • kitsunegari89kitsunegari89 member
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    edited March 2014
    It really hurts my feelings that they can't just let it go. I think that's the worst part. They're being childish. Even if I wanted to capitulate, pastor Frampton is on a retreat that week and I couldn't anyway. But I think it bothers them that I'm not bothered, so they're trying to make me see it their way. I went over to see my mom this morning because I was worried about her (her mother is in the hospital and might not make it), and they still brought this up. It's like their go-to bone of contention that almost makes them feel better in some perverse kind of way to complain about.

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  • I wouldn't even bother bean-dipping, since they keep bringing it up. I would just say that your decision is final, if they bring it up, you will leave/hang up the phone/etc. And then do it. 
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  • Schedule a meeting with both the man and woman officiates, you and FI, and your parents and his parents, and have the pastors go over what it really means to unite two Christian families when a couple gets married.  They can teach and direct the parents to re-focus from MAN/WOMAN/PENIS/WHATEVER to the real foundation of this event and this marriage. 
  • phiraphira member
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    I would totally try to just ignore them.

    Also agreed with @Teddy917. What were you supposed to call a penis? Mr. Peep? One-eyed serpent?
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  • Shoot, I guess doctors and nurses and scientists and veterinarians are all juvenile and gross then!

    My parents would not let up about the fact that I'm having a friend officiate. Now that friend can't make it so we're going to have a female friend officiate, still not affiliated. This, I'm sure, will be that much worse. I don't think I'll even update them on the situation. If they are so offended by it they can storm right out of the ceremony and embarrass themselves.
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  • BlueBirdMBBlueBirdMB member
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    UGH.  My in laws- this was them.  We committed many offenses concerning our ceremony: 1. Not using their Hindu priest.  2. Not having a religious wedding.  3. Having a female officiant who.. wasn't Indian (gasp).  Omg.  What a horrible thing (sarcasm)

    There is only so much you can bean dip.  We try not to tell them anything important anymore, but well… they knew about this one.  We tried ignoring, but finally H just had to lay it all out.  I think if had been more firm at this stage, it would have ended there.  They were quiet for a while.  Then that became one of many grievances that eventually compounded and ended up a HUGE fight. Hopefully this does not end up in a huge fight.  I would just put my foot down- don't ignore it too much or it sounds like it may be a big fight.  
  • CMGragain said:
    Maybe we can locate the woman who officiated at my daughter's wedding.  She was gay.  (The pastor, not my daughter.) :-)
    Oh the scandal!!!  Why, I'll bet their marriage was invalid on all concerns!  Oh my!
  • My step-father refused to attend my mother's church we had been going to, as a family, our whole lives because our church had a female pastor. He also believed women had no place in the work force and their duties were to stay at home with their children and wait for their husbands to get home from work. (Probably why I am a huge feminist.) 
        When my step-father fell ill, he expressed his wishes to rather be burned alive moments before death than to have a female pastor presiding over his funeral.  My mother respected his wishes, when my step-father passed away, and had another pastor... a male, who did not know the family, as well, preside over his funeral.  This pastor kept calling my step-father by the wrong name, and actually called him by his brother's name (who was right there, in front row... more than several times). 
       For someone who was supposed to be much better at his job because he was a man, he seemed to do a pretty crumby job.  Also imagine, when the deceased's name is Wil, and how the brother felt every time he said, "In this casket lies our brother, in the lord, Bill." Not to mention it was even creepier when his brother actually did die a few months later of an aneurysm. Having a penis, in my mind, is not a skill that qualifies you for a position... your abilities are.
  • Well said mrshutzler.  if you need to take it up a notch, I would tell them that long after the wedding is over, it won't really stand out who married you, but their complete lack of respect and support and making you miserable throughout the process will.
  • It really hurts my feelings that they can't just let it go. I think that's the worst part. They're being childish. Even if I wanted to capitulate, pastor Frampton is on a retreat that week and I couldn't anyway. But I think it bothers them that I'm not bothered, so they're trying to make me see it their way. I went over to see my mom this morning because I was worried about her (her mother is in the hospital and might not make it), and they still brought this up. It's like their go-to bone of contention that almost makes them feel better in some perverse kind of way to complain about.

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    Try not to take it personally, but as fundamentalists, your parents likely cannot let it go.  They just don't have the mental capacity to do so based on their strict, limited interpretation of their religious beliefs.  They fully choose to hold said religious beliefs, but those beliefs will limit them.  It's not going to be in their nature to understand, accept, empathize, or respect other religious beliefs that they feel differ from their own. 


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  • phira said:
    I would totally try to just ignore them.

    Also agreed with @Teddy917. What were you supposed to call a penis? Mr. Peep? One-eyed serpent?
    Oh please, you aren't supposed to refer to sex or sex organs if you are a fundie.  Remember, it's a huge taboo and should be feared.

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  • The only word worse than peen is VAGINA. Proper ladies don't have vaginas.
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  • Or they do, but they are protected by the Pillow Pants troll.

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  • My step-father refused to attend my mother's church we had been going to, as a family, our whole lives because our church had a female pastor. He also believed women had no place in the work force and their duties were to stay at home with their children and wait for their husbands to get home from work. (Probably why I am a huge feminist.) 
        When my step-father fell ill, he expressed his wishes to rather be burned alive moments before death than to have a female pastor presiding over his funeral.  My mother respected his wishes, when my step-father passed away, and had another pastor... a male, who did not know the family, as well, preside over his funeral.  This pastor kept calling my step-father by the wrong name, and actually called him by his brother's name (who was right there, in front row... more than several times). 
       For someone who was supposed to be much better at his job because he was a man, he seemed to do a pretty crumby job.  Also imagine, when the deceased's name is Wil, and how the brother felt every time he said, "In this casket lies our brother, in the lord, Bill." Not to mention it was even creepier when his brother actually did die a few months later of an aneurysm. Having a penis, in my mind, is not a skill that qualifies you for a position... your abilities are.
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