I was just reading Miss Manners from April 18th where the reader asked if it is okay for her to wear an elegant watch to her wedding reception. Miss Manners said watches should not be worn for formal occasions (I guess that means for men too) because it conveys that one needs to keep track of time before moving on to the next tic on the schedule.
I found that surprising and don't agree with it. There are lots of womens' watches that look more like a pretty bracelet than a watch. But, even if that is not the case, this seems like old fashioned advice that does not have a place anymore in our modern world.
Just curious if I'm the one off-base or if she is.
I don't wear a watch ever, but I think she's on solid ground here. Can you imagine a bride sitting at dinner checking her watch? it conveys the wrong tone.
That said, I think this is one you can safely ignore if you so choose.
What's wrong with the bride making sure the event staff is following the agreed upon schedule?
Miss Manners is VERY OLD SCHOOL. This rule is in my old Amy Vanderbilt Etiquette book from the early 1960's. While Miss Manners is technically correct, this is one of those rules that does seem to be changing. I didn't notice any celebrities wearing wristwatches on the red carpet at the Academy Awards, though. I wouln't wear one as a bride, but as a guest, it wouldn't be a big deal.
My grandpa just gave me a watch that belonged to his mother, he remembers her wearing it when he was a boy in the early 30's. It's a Bulova art deco style bracelet watch with tiny diamonds and emeralds. I'm not a big watch person and it doesn't really go with my dress, but I plan on wearing it on my wedding day.
I always wear a watch now. I started when I accidentally worked an extra 2 hours after my scheduled shift ended because I got caught up in what I was doing, am not allowed to check my phone for pretty much any reason there and have a terrible sense of time passing. If I saw a bride checking a watch during her reception, I would assume it's because she's looking forward to the alone time with her hubby at the end of the night or just wanted to know what time it was, not that she was checked out of "friends and family" time. Also, if she's a compulsive time checker, looking down at your wrist occasionally looks a lot nicer than pulling out a cellphone and turning it on to check the time.
And, technically, one should never own a watch with diamonds because diamonds are only for evening.
Who even wears a watch these days anyway?
Uh, I wear a watch every single day. It was graduation gift from my parents when I received my Bachelor degree almost a decade ago, and it's got the seal of my university on the face. Oh, and it has a diamond at each hour mark. I won't be wearing it at my own wedding, but for any other function/occasion? Yeah, Miss Manners would have to pry it off of my cold, dead, rigor mortis wrist.
I've certainly heard it's rude to check your watch obviously in any social situation for the reason stated by MM.
I adore my movado but it goes with nice clothes, not formal dresses. If I, say, had to not keep a babysitter waiting, I'd be discreet about checking the time on any object.
I think the "diamonds before 6" thing was sarcasm...
And yeah, as a bride I don't plan on having my watch or phone on me, but I won't give one single fuck that other people do. I love watches on guys (and in general; love my chunky MK) and I hope FI wears his nice one at our wedding. I think a watch makes you look put-together.
Yeah, I spent a lot of money on my watch and I'm certainly going to wear it out. I find it silly that one can spend tens of thousands on a watch and it's not appropriate or formal enough?? FWIW, I did not wear it as a bride, but I wear it out to formal events most of the time.
Miss Manners also does not like strapless wedding dresses. She thinks that brides who wear them care more about the party than the ceremony. I completely think that's dumb.
Yes, Miss Manners is pretty old school. I was recently reading about her stance on family never hosting bridal showers. Every shower I have ever gone to was hosted by the bride's aunt, grandmother, mother or sister. Seems to be standard practice to have a family member host these days.
When showers were cake and punch hosted at someone's home, it wasn't quite as expensive. Also, when women typically did not attend college, more people were "around" and local to host a home-based event. They also weren't completely overloaded with student loans. Nowadays, people scatter like the wind after high school and a bride might have bridesmaids that all live in different states. Many BMs or friends may have tons of debt or are still in school, so the funds just aren't there to host what is now considered a shower. The wedding industry has made us all believe our showers should be a more formal event that requires full up catering, open bars, and "fancy" decor and favors. So, it's come down to the family having to host it to keep up with what is now the "norm."
I can wear my inherited evening watch or I can have my cellphone set to alarm. I've got medication I've got to take on time. I figure my delicate, platinum band with diamond encrusted bezel and face watch is less tacky than my cellphone.
Silly indeed. Would one not bring their cell phone as well? Many people use their cell phones as a watch nowadays.
I wouldn't dream of having my cell phone on my person during my wedding. Even if I wanted to, where would I put it??
My wedding dress had pockets. I carried my cell phone in one pocket and DH's wedding band in the other. I called DH a ton when he was hiding when we were supposed to be doing first look photos and checked time occasionally during the reception since there were no clocks and I wanted to make sure we were on schedule.
I wore a watch to my wedding! It was a fancy watch, with "pearls" and "diamonds". Totally fake, but it looks nice and my mother bought it for me as a piece of jewelry. I have since worn it out to a formal event as part of my pearl jewelry ensemble- though I don't usually wear a watch to formal events (maybe if I owned a gold one and a diamond one I would ).
I think DH also wore a watch at our wedding. He has a few and also wears them for fashion in addition to function. If we had the extra money I know he would buy several fancy ones that he could wear to accessorize.
I also wear a watch daily to work. I need to know what time it is, as I work in health care, direct patient care. I need to chart what time I saw someone at and have an idea of how long I spent with them. I absolutely am not allowed to use my phone unless it's on lunch.
My watch that I wear everyday is quite a nice watch too- gold and silver by Guess. It's simple, but elegant (a narrow band and face), so I wear it to work as well as social outings.
I actually dislike how watches have fallen out of use with the younger generation and everyone relies on their phone. I think watches are awesome as both functional and as a fashion piece.
I think I had my cellphone in my clutch at my wedding, in case.... of what, I don't know, but I'm neurotic like that. I might have checked it once or twice the whole day, during a quiet period.
Can I have pics, please? I don't think it's rude for the bride to wear a watch, I just don't find it fits the formality of a wedding to have a watch on. I have never wore a watch in evening attire like cocktail dresses, evening gowns etc. Maybe I don't own fancy enough watches. I just don't see it fitting the look.
@sp29 said "Oh, and diamonds are always appropriate!"
Sorry, but this is not true. Diamonds, other than your e-ring/wedding ring, should only be worn in the evening. Pearls are always appropriate. Yes, I know people wear them all the time in the USA. It still isn't proper, and Europeans make fun of us and stereotype Americans as people who talk loudly in public and wear diamonds in the daytime. I broke tradition and wore an enormous diamond cocktail ring at my daughter's morning wedding and reception. It was from my mother, who did not attend. I also wore a hat and gloves to cover the ring in church. Miss Manners is old school, but she is correct.
The idea that the content and not style of jewelry indicates the time of day it is to be worn is a completely arbitrary rule. That there are exceptions to this rule in which the content of the jewelry is acceptable all the time further adds to the arbitrariness of the rule.
I have simple diamond studs I wear often and they look great. They aren't out of place in the morning but giant pearl chandelier earrings certainly would be.
If you want to judge me for wearing my elegant watch and diamond studs before lunch then go ahead. I then reserve the right to judge your easy life. If THAT is what annoys a person I want to know her secret to such stress free living.
@banana468 I agree. I have a gold necklace with small diamonds in part. It's from Kay's Open Heart collection, and it looks like an angel with diamonds along the wings. My sister and I were given matching necklaces when one of our grandmothers died. I wear it during the day, and I will continue to. It's not gaudy or extravagant in any sort of way. If anyone would judge me for that, I can't even pretend I'd care.
The diamond thing is so stupid. If someone ever told me that whatever diamond jewelry I happen to be wearing is inappropriate because I'm wearing it during the day I would probably laugh. I don't mean I would laugh about it later, I mean I honestly don't think I could stop myself from laughing right then and there.
This thread makes me wonder, how many brides here wore/are planning to wear a watch at their wedding?
I wear a watch every day. (I even sleep with it on because my first thing in the morning brain doesn't process "put the watch on.") If I don't have a watch on, or it isn't working, I am extremely conscious of it all the time. I hadn't thought at all about whether or not I would wear a watch when I get married (I do have a nice "dress" watch for formal occasions.)
Now I'm trying to decide which would be "ruder," wearing a watch or being distracted by the fact that I am not.
I'd prefer to wear a watch, because I think I'll feel naked without it. I figured if it looked more like a bangle or bracelet than a watch, it wouldn't be so bad. Like this:
@sp29 said "Oh, and diamonds are always appropriate!"
Sorry, but this is not true. Diamonds, other than your e-ring/wedding ring, should only be worn in the evening. Pearls are always appropriate. Yes, I know people wear them all the time in the USA. It still isn't proper, and Europeans make fun of us and stereotype Americans as people who talk loudly in public and wear diamonds in the daytime. I broke tradition and wore an enormous diamond cocktail ring at my daughter's morning wedding and reception. It was from my mother, who did not attend. I also wore a hat and gloves to cover the ring in church. Miss Manners is old school, but she is correct.
Again, that is super silly. And the Europeans can make fun of me all they want but I have a gorgeous diamond stud necklace where the diamond was my Great Aunts and I wear it whenever I choose to.
FFS it is jewelry! all this you can't wear this at this time and you can't wear that at that time is so utterly ridiculous. Wear whatever the hell you want whenever the hell you want. You could follow all of these dumb "rules" and people will still find something wrong with your outfit to criticize.
I am all about etiquette when it actually will effect others around you, such as not hosting people properly, but when it comes to attire, no one will die if you wear a diamond studded watch with your tuxedo at 10am.
I am secretly hoping that FI gets me diamond stud earrings as a birthday or Christmas this year. If/when he does, you bet I'm going to wear those suckers every day. I wear no jewelry and I have been wanting a pair forever. Europeans, judge away!
I wear a watch 24/7. Have for years. I have the worst tanline ever from it, that's how much I wear it. I bought a special watch for my wedding from Charming Charlie's. It's dressy and matched my other jewelry. DH wore a watch too- it was actually one of my gifts to him to on our wedding day.
If it's so important not to wear diamonds during the day, why are engagement rings and wedding rings exempt? That makes absolutely no sense. And either way, it's a fashion rule, not an etiquette rule.
@sp29 said "Oh, and diamonds are always appropriate!"
Sorry, but this is not true. Diamonds, other than your e-ring/wedding ring, should only be worn in the evening. Pearls are always appropriate. Yes, I know people wear them all the time in the USA. It still isn't proper, and Europeans make fun of us and stereotype Americans as people who talk loudly in public and wear diamonds in the daytime. I broke tradition and wore an enormous diamond cocktail ring at my daughter's morning wedding and reception. It was from my mother, who did not attend. I also wore a hat and gloves to cover the ring in church. Miss Manners is old school, but she is correct.
I don't think you can make a sweeping generalization about that many countries and people. It's as stupid as the generalizations they claim to make about Americans.
And Europe has a hell of a lot of more important things to worry about, like the financial issues of the EU, or Russia and Crimea, than what the hell Americans are wearing, doing, or saying.
I'm pretty sure De Beers, which was founded and backed by people of many different European backgrounds, is fine with people wearing diamonds whenever they want.
These fashion rules are antiquated. They are interesting to discuss the origins and the rationales, but they are out dated and irrelevant now.
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
Re: Disagree with Miss Manners re: watches at weddings/formal events
While Miss Manners is technically correct, this is one of those rules that does seem to be changing. I didn't notice any celebrities wearing wristwatches on the red carpet at the Academy Awards, though. I wouln't wear one as a bride, but as a guest, it wouldn't be a big deal.
I adore my movado but it goes with nice clothes, not formal dresses. If I, say, had to not keep a babysitter waiting, I'd be discreet about checking the time on any object.
And yeah, as a bride I don't plan on having my watch or phone on me, but I won't give one single fuck that other people do. I love watches on guys (and in general; love my chunky MK) and I hope FI wears his nice one at our wedding. I think a watch makes you look put-together.
Sorry, but this is not true. Diamonds, other than your e-ring/wedding ring, should only be worn in the evening. Pearls are always appropriate.
Yes, I know people wear them all the time in the USA. It still isn't proper, and Europeans make fun of us and stereotype Americans as people who talk loudly in public and wear diamonds in the daytime.
I broke tradition and wore an enormous diamond cocktail ring at my daughter's morning wedding and reception. It was from my mother, who did not attend. I also wore a hat and gloves to cover the ring in church.
Miss Manners is old school, but she is correct.
I have simple diamond studs I wear often and they look great. They aren't out of place in the morning but giant pearl chandelier earrings certainly would be.
If you want to judge me for wearing my elegant watch and diamond studs before lunch then go ahead. I then reserve the right to judge your easy life. If THAT is what annoys a person I want to know her secret to such stress free living.
I wear a watch every day. (I even sleep with it on because my first thing in the morning brain doesn't process "put the watch on.") If I don't have a watch on, or it isn't working, I am extremely conscious of it all the time. I hadn't thought at all about whether or not I would wear a watch when I get married (I do have a nice "dress" watch for formal occasions.)
Now I'm trying to decide which would be "ruder," wearing a watch or being distracted by the fact that I am not.
I'd prefer to wear a watch, because I think I'll feel naked without it. I figured if it looked more like a bangle or bracelet than a watch, it wouldn't be so bad. Like this:
http://www1.bloomingdales.com/shop/product/kate-spade-new-york-on-the-rocks-carousel-bangle-watch-16mm?ID=886619&CategoryID=3376&LinkType=PDPZ1#fn%3Dspp%3D2
http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/dkny-watch-womens-stainless-steel-bangle-bracelet-33x13mm-ny8756?ID=806841&pla_country=US&cm_mmc=Google_Watches_PLA-_-Watches_PLA_DKNY-_-33641432472_-_-_mkwid_9Z12ZNZV|dc_33641432472%7C-%7C9Z12ZNZV
Haven't bought either though yet.
And Europe has a hell of a lot of more important things to worry about, like the financial issues of the EU, or Russia and Crimea, than what the hell Americans are wearing, doing, or saying.
I'm pretty sure De Beers, which was founded and backed by people of many different European backgrounds, is fine with people wearing diamonds whenever they want.
These fashion rules are antiquated. They are interesting to discuss the origins and the rationales, but they are out dated and irrelevant now.
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
I would never wear a watch with an evening gown or cocktail dress, but that's just my preference.
I bought FI an engagement watch. If he doesn't wear it with his tux at our wedding, I might kill him. :-)
I actually really like the color and style with my wedding dress, and am considering wearing at as an accessory. Heh.