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Inviting the SO from hell

I've lurked on the forums here for a couple of months now and from what I have seen, everyone is very much against not inviting SO regardless of their behavior, past dramas, whether or not you approve of them, etc.

Based on what I've read on here, I had come to terms with the fact that I MUST invite my FBIL's girlfriend, despite the following:

1) My fiancés entire family hates her and is very vocal about it to her face
2) She has threatened to have members of my fiancés family killed/beat up
3) They have a violent relationship and have cause embarrassment out in public on several occasions with their cursing and screaming. My FBIL has ended up in the hospital as a result of their fights.
4) She is an all around rude, unpleasant person to be around (like someone out of an episode of jerry springer)

When I told my fiancé we would have to invite her, he told me he would not even consider it. He is reasoning that due to venue capacity, we can only invite 80 people. As we both have large families, we are only inviting a couple people that are not blood relatives. He is not willing to make a space for her, as the family dislikes her and it is likely there will be a scene.

When I told him that this could result in his brother refusing to attended, he said he was fine with that and that he doesn't think his brother would show up regardless (he can be somewhat flaky). What do I do at this point?

Not sure if it's worth mentioning, but we are paying for about 50% of the wedding ourselves and the rest is coming from my family. His has not offered anything, so although they are very vocal about their dislike for this girl, not sure if their opinion counts for much.

Honesty is appreciated.
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  • That is so sad for your FBIL. I hope he gets out sometime. And yeah violent behavior is a definite exception to the SO rule.
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  • The threats of violence make this one of the exceptions to the rule.


  • Safety trumps etiquette. And threatening to have people killed is a safety issue.

    I'm not saying your FBIL will like it, but maybe let your FI talk to him about why his crazy ass girlfriend isn't coming to a wedding where a bunch of people she wants dead are going to be at.
  • Agree with PPs, you have an out.

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  •      I'm with everyone else. If she has threatened violence you have an out. This is one of the few instances that even if it wasn't approved by etiquette I wouldn't invite them and just take my place in etiquette hell. Safety of your guests has to come before anything. 

         If it wasn't a brother, I'd probably not invite the whole couple. Part of the consequences of dating someone who threatens to kill people is that you don't get invited places, but since it's an immediate family member I would just invite him and not his girlfriend. YMMV.
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    Yeah, I think threats to family are very much so an exception as to not have her there. And your FBIL puts up with that? Oh hell to the no! 
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  • If this is actually true, I think that you should be more worried about why your FBIL is with her, than whether or not you should invite her to your wedding.  

    Maybe your FI should sit down and talk with him about going to therapy.  I know that I would do that if this was my sibling.  


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  • This is one of the few special circumstances where it's okay not to invite an SO.






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • Totally agree with PP! If there is violence or threats of violence, you do not have to invite her! Your safety, and that of your family/guests, is definitely the trump card here. Good luck and I hope your FBIL manages to get out of this unhealthy/abusive relationship!
  • Thanks to all for your input!
  • I completely understand where you're coming from and appreciate your concern.

    My fiancé and FMIL and the rest of the family have spoken to him about it multiple times and it never ends well. At the risk of sounding insensitive, while his girlfriend is a trainwreck, my FBIL is not perfect by any means. While I am concerned about them being together, at the end of the day it doesn't affect me and it's not my business. My only concern is her attending my wedding, which my fiancé and his family are completely against.

    There is nothing that me or my my fiancé can really say to him at this point.
  • If this is actually true, I think that you should be more worried about why your FBIL is with her, than whether or not you should invite her to your wedding.  

    Maybe your FI should sit down and talk with him about going to therapy.  I know that I would do that if this was my sibling.  


    Yeah I don't actually believe in the out. I think you just don't invite the couple. Obviously, no one should have a violent person at their wedding. But I don't know who drew that line in the sand that it means you don't have to invite them. I think it means you stop associating with that couple. When its your brother, that's obvously a really tricky situation but I'd be much more worried about the brother than about the SIL coming to the wedding. I just don't think its fair to insult the brother and make him chose not to come. I feel like you should own the decision and just not invite the whole couple.

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  • Do you need to worry whether she would show up regardless of invitation just to make you miserable?  Is this something for which you should consider precautions?
  • You can definitely not invite her.  Anyone who threatens violence should not be at your wedding.

    Oh, make sure that security is on hand to ensure that she is not admitted in.
  • If this is actually true, I think that you should be more worried about why your FBIL is with her, than whether or not you should invite her to your wedding.  

    Maybe your FI should sit down and talk with him about going to therapy.  I know that I would do that if this was my sibling.  


    Yeah I don't actually believe in the out. I think you just don't invite the couple. Obviously, no one should have a violent person at their wedding. But I don't know who drew that line in the sand that it means you don't have to invite them. I think it means you stop associating with that couple. When its your brother, that's obvously a really tricky situation but I'd be much more worried about the brother than about the SIL coming to the wedding. I just don't think its fair to insult the brother and make him chose not to come. I feel like you should own the decision and just not invite the whole couple.
    I don't agree.  When physical violence is the reason why someone is not being invited, the other person needs to deal.  His hurt feelings are less important than making sure this chick doesn't hurt anyone else physically or threaten to do so.  That said, if he chooses not to come without her, that is his choice.
  • Jen4948 said:
    If this is actually true, I think that you should be more worried about why your FBIL is with her, than whether or not you should invite her to your wedding.  

    Maybe your FI should sit down and talk with him about going to therapy.  I know that I would do that if this was my sibling.  


    Yeah I don't actually believe in the out. I think you just don't invite the couple. Obviously, no one should have a violent person at their wedding. But I don't know who drew that line in the sand that it means you don't have to invite them. I think it means you stop associating with that couple. When its your brother, that's obvously a really tricky situation but I'd be much more worried about the brother than about the SIL coming to the wedding. I just don't think its fair to insult the brother and make him chose not to come. I feel like you should own the decision and just not invite the whole couple.
    I don't agree.  When physical violence is the reason why someone is not being invited, the other person needs to deal.  His hurt feelings are less important than making sure this chick doesn't hurt anyone else physically or threaten to do so.  That said, if he chooses not to come without her, that is his choice.
    I just think that he needs to deal by not being invited to the wedding. I am not saying she should be invited, I am saying the whole couple shouldn't be because he is choosing to date someone who is like that to his family. I don't think the bride gets a magic pass to split the couple. Splitting is still rude, and I think that instead you should not invite the whole couple. I just don't like the justification of a rude action.

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    Jen4948 said:
    If this is actually true, I think that you should be more worried about why your FBIL is with her, than whether or not you should invite her to your wedding.  

    Maybe your FI should sit down and talk with him about going to therapy.  I know that I would do that if this was my sibling.  


    Yeah I don't actually believe in the out. I think you just don't invite the couple. Obviously, no one should have a violent person at their wedding. But I don't know who drew that line in the sand that it means you don't have to invite them. I think it means you stop associating with that couple. When its your brother, that's obvously a really tricky situation but I'd be much more worried about the brother than about the SIL coming to the wedding. I just don't think its fair to insult the brother and make him chose not to come. I feel like you should own the decision and just not invite the whole couple.
    I don't agree.  When physical violence is the reason why someone is not being invited, the other person needs to deal.  His hurt feelings are less important than making sure this chick doesn't hurt anyone else physically or threaten to do so.  That said, if he chooses not to come without her, that is his choice.
    I just think that he needs to deal by not being invited to the wedding. I am not saying she should be invited, I am saying the whole couple shouldn't be because he is choosing to date someone who is like that to his family. I don't think the bride gets a magic pass to split the couple. Splitting is still rude, and I think that instead you should not invite the whole couple. I just don't like the justification of a rude action.
    Sorry, but violence and threats of violence do justify not inviting both halves of a couple.  When someone has been violent or threatened violence in the past, it is acceptable to invite their SO without them.  It is called consequences of past bad acts and threats.  Safety must come first.  The FBIL needs to either come without her or decline the invitation.
  • Jen4948 said:
    Jen4948 said:
    If this is actually true, I think that you should be more worried about why your FBIL is with her, than whether or not you should invite her to your wedding.  

    Maybe your FI should sit down and talk with him about going to therapy.  I know that I would do that if this was my sibling.  


    Yeah I don't actually believe in the out. I think you just don't invite the couple. Obviously, no one should have a violent person at their wedding. But I don't know who drew that line in the sand that it means you don't have to invite them. I think it means you stop associating with that couple. When its your brother, that's obvously a really tricky situation but I'd be much more worried about the brother than about the SIL coming to the wedding. I just don't think its fair to insult the brother and make him chose not to come. I feel like you should own the decision and just not invite the whole couple.
    I don't agree.  When physical violence is the reason why someone is not being invited, the other person needs to deal.  His hurt feelings are less important than making sure this chick doesn't hurt anyone else physically or threaten to do so.  That said, if he chooses not to come without her, that is his choice.
    I just think that he needs to deal by not being invited to the wedding. I am not saying she should be invited, I am saying the whole couple shouldn't be because he is choosing to date someone who is like that to his family. I don't think the bride gets a magic pass to split the couple. Splitting is still rude, and I think that instead you should not invite the whole couple. I just don't like the justification of a rude action.
    Sorry, but violence and threats of violence do justify not inviting both halves of a couple.  When someone has been violent or threatened violence in the past, it is acceptable to invite their SO without them.  It is called consequences of past bad acts and threats.  Safety must come first.  The FBIL needs to either come without her or decline the invitation.

    You aren't reading my posts- I agree that safety does come first, but I still don't think it justifies splitting the couple. I think neither half should be invited. I think that should be the consequence of the past act and threat. That the whole couple is not invited.

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    Jen4948 said:
    Jen4948 said:
    If this is actually true, I think that you should be more worried about why your FBIL is with her, than whether or not you should invite her to your wedding.  

    Maybe your FI should sit down and talk with him about going to therapy.  I know that I would do that if this was my sibling.  


    Yeah I don't actually believe in the out. I think you just don't invite the couple. Obviously, no one should have a violent person at their wedding. But I don't know who drew that line in the sand that it means you don't have to invite them. I think it means you stop associating with that couple. When its your brother, that's obvously a really tricky situation but I'd be much more worried about the brother than about the SIL coming to the wedding. I just don't think its fair to insult the brother and make him chose not to come. I feel like you should own the decision and just not invite the whole couple.
    I don't agree.  When physical violence is the reason why someone is not being invited, the other person needs to deal.  His hurt feelings are less important than making sure this chick doesn't hurt anyone else physically or threaten to do so.  That said, if he chooses not to come without her, that is his choice.
    I just think that he needs to deal by not being invited to the wedding. I am not saying she should be invited, I am saying the whole couple shouldn't be because he is choosing to date someone who is like that to his family. I don't think the bride gets a magic pass to split the couple. Splitting is still rude, and I think that instead you should not invite the whole couple. I just don't like the justification of a rude action.
    Sorry, but violence and threats of violence do justify not inviting both halves of a couple.  When someone has been violent or threatened violence in the past, it is acceptable to invite their SO without them.  It is called consequences of past bad acts and threats.  Safety must come first.  The FBIL needs to either come without her or decline the invitation.

    You aren't reading my posts- I agree that safety does come first, but I still don't think it justifies splitting the couple. I think neither half should be invited. I think that should be the consequence of the past act and threat. That the whole couple is not invited.
    @Fran1985, I did read your posts.  Why does everyone accuse one of not reading their posts when they merely disagree?  It is childish and inaccurate to assume that one did not read your posts because one does not agree with you. 

    I'm sorry, but I don't agree that neither should be invited in a case of violence, and I stated my reasons twice already in this thread.  Most other posters in this thread also do not agree with you.
  • Definitely don't invite her. She's made threats of physical violence, that's a deal-breaker.

    Also, I would make it clear to FBIL exactly WHY his crazy-pants GF isn't invited and that she is most definitely not welcome and this is non-negotiable.
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  • @Jen4948 it has nothing to do with disagreeing. I have already stated that I am in the minority in my view. I accused you of not reading because you kept mischaracterizing my argument. You have given arguments for why the SIL should not be invited. I agree with those. After I said neither should be invited, you responded and said sorry but safety first. Totally agree. I just don't believe in splitting the couple because I also would be very mad at the other half of the couple and who they chose to associate with. No need to make it personal, I was simply stating my opinion. 

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    @Jen4948 it has nothing to do with disagreeing. I have already stated that I am in the minority in my view. I accused you of not reading because you kept mischaracterizing my argument. You have given arguments for why the SIL should not be invited. I agree with those. After I said neither should be invited, you responded and said sorry but safety first. Totally agree. I just don't believe in splitting the couple because I also would be very mad at the other half of the couple and who they chose to associate with. No need to make it personal, I was simply stating my opinion. 
    And as I told you, I disagreed.  Disagreement =/= not reading.  And you know something?  I am not required, nor is anyone else, to regurgitate your argument for you.
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    @Jen4948 it has nothing to do with disagreeing. I have already stated that I am in the minority in my view. I accused you of not reading because you kept mischaracterizing my argument. You have given arguments for why the SIL should not be invited. I agree with those. After I said neither should be invited, you responded and said sorry but safety first. Totally agree. I just don't believe in splitting the couple because I also would be very mad at the other half of the couple and who they chose to associate with. No need to make it personal, I was simply stating my opinion. 

    And as I told you, I disagreed.  Disagreement =/= not reading.  And you know something?  I am not required, nor is anyone else, to regurgitate your argument for you.


    And like I just said, it has nothing todo with you disagreeing. You were implying I was in favor of having the sister there and I'm not. That's the reason I said you weren't reading- because you responded to me saying that I was wrong and safety comes first. But that was my point, I agree she shouldn't be invited. I have no idea what you mean about other people regurgitating my argument. I really am not even making an argument - I've stated before that I'm in the minority on this.


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