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Apparently bean-dipping is a viable strategy for marital communications

Somehow, DH and I got put on the mailing list for 'Foundations: A Newsletter for Married Couples.' (<-- clicky)

I have no idea how, or when, or why, because we certainly didn't subscribe to this, or pay the $15 yearly subscription fee. But whatever.

The latest issue came in the mail yesterday. On the back was this article:

His and Hers Approaches to Conversation

Mike and Lisa are driving home after an evening with friends. Mike says, "Dan tells me that he and Stacey are moving to Washington DC."

"How exciting! Will they be living right in the city?" Lisa asks.

"I don't know. He didn't say."

"But Stacey is so involved in the elections here. Will she be able to continue with that?"

"We didn't talk about that either."

"Well what did he say?"

"He said they were moving. He has a new job." Mike says, clearly closing the door on the conversation. He's sorry he ever brought up the topic, and Lisa can't wait to call Stacey to find out all the details. She's mystified that Mike brought it up if he didn't really want to talk about it.

Gender Patterns
Mike and Lisa's impasse is one that you may have experienced in your relationship. Mike had a fact he wanted to convey -- he was not intending to start a longer conversation and the direction it went was frustrating to him. Lisa wanted details. She wanted to flesh out the story with the "human interest" parts. These are patterns that researcher Deborah Tannen has observed in men and women. She published her research in her book You Just Don't Understand. It helps to explain some of the situations many of us have found ourselves in as we try to navigate our interactions.

So What's the Solution?
Certainly trying to be aware of the differences and that your spouse isn't being annoying is a start. They are just speaking the way they learned to speak. If you feel frustrated, try to take a step back and figure out if this is one of those "his way VS her way" conversations. The next time Lisa and Mike find themselves in a similar situation, hopefully they will recognize what's going on. Mike might say to Lisa, "Sorry, honey, that's all I know. Why don't you call Stacey tomorrow?" And then steer the conversation in another direction: "How about those Orioles?"

I have no words.

But DH, who about died laughing when he was reading this to me, said, 'I know you're going to tell your Knot-people about this, so please tell me what they say!'
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Re: Apparently bean-dipping is a viable strategy for marital communications

  • That is stupid but also makes sense...  DH never has the details that I want/need.  He just passes along the bare bones information and it drives me crazy sometimes.
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  • I...don't even see how the initial "example" conversation was problematic. Presumably two adults can figure this out, right? "Mike" could laugh and say, "I don't know, babe, we didn't really get into details. I guess you'll have to ask Stacey," and Lisa could say, "I guess I'll have to! Oh you, never asking for the good gossip."

    Like, is this considered a "fight" to some people? 
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  • Uh, Mike is a big poopyhead.
  • I...don't even see how the initial "example" conversation was problematic. Presumably two adults can figure this out, right? "Mike" could laugh and say, "I don't know, babe, we didn't really get into details. I guess you'll have to ask Stacey," and Lisa could say, "I guess I'll have to! Oh you, never asking for the good gossip."

    Like, is this considered a "fight" to some people? 
    That's what I don't know! Because this is me and DH, but it's not a fight, and it's not a frustration, it's just how we communicate. He'll tell me something, I'll ask for more details, he'll be like, 'Yeah, I didn't think to ask, my bad,' and we'll move along with our lives.

    They lose me at the 'how about those Orioles?' part...
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  • Also, FI loves good gossip almost as much as I do. He would have all the details, especially because he knows I would ask. So I call BS on this research.
  • I'm so glad I'm a lesbian. We don't have to worry that one of us has a boy brain and other a girl brain, we both have girl brains! And we talk. Fuck we talk about everything. It's like being with your best girl friend all the time...plus sex.

    And I agree this isn't a fight. Sometimes FI will have more questions and I'll be all "Oh damn, didn't find out" and then she'll find out and tell me. It's not even kind of a fight or disagreement. It's just...part of the conversation. 
  • This is so stupid. Huge waste of paper printing this junk and sending it to people, if you ask me. 


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  • phiraphira member
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    Well that's stupid.
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  • So I misread this and thought the husband just came home one day and announced they were moving. When the wife asked for details (which would be a pretty weird response, if you ask me. I'd be all like, "what? Says who?") he just slams a door in her face. Lol.
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    Can someone pop my cherry and tell me what bean-dipping means? Urban dictionary does not seem to have the right definition in this context!
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  • Can someone pop my cherry and tell me what bean-dipping means? Urban dictionary does not seem to have the right definition in this context!
    Bean-dipping means 'to change the subject'

    Your FMIL: I really think you need to let me invite 100 people to your wedding.
    You: Really? That's interesting. Have you tried the bean-dip?
    Her: It's about ME and inviting MY FRIENDS.
    You: Do you think there are jalapenos in this? It's got a kick to it!
    Her: Cut your friends so there's more room for my friends.
    You: Excuse me, I must go get the recipe for this, bye!
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  • Can someone pop my cherry and tell me what bean-dipping means? Urban dictionary does not seem to have the right definition in this context!
    LMFAO. Of course I went to UD to see the definition they had. Definitely not the definition we mean here lol. I love Urban Dictionary.
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  • Thank you. I'm learning lots of new things since I came to the boards! :)

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  • I'd be incredibly horrified if the Urban Dictionary version was correct, hahaha!
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  • I'd be incredibly horrified if the Urban Dictionary version was correct, hahaha!
    Uhm....yeah. That would be a little odd. 

    I bean-dip DH's grandmother ALL.THE.TIME. Or I did, when I talked to her. Now I just don't talk to her.
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  • Rebl90Rebl90 member
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    I'd be incredibly horrified if the Urban Dictionary version was correct, hahaha!
    Uhm....yeah. That would be a little odd. 

    I bean-dip DH's grandmother ALL.THE.TIME. Or I did, when I talked to her. Now I just don't talk to her.
    Oh man, I looked it up on Urban Dictonary and now I'm going to laugh when I see the phrase on here for a while
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  • Oy vey. I can see this being a thing, but it's not a male vs female thing. It's a people who care about details thing versus people who care about getting to the point, thing. Believe it or not, those don't actually have anything to do with genitalia! Mind blowing, I know!

    Wonder what know-it-all buttinski subscribed you to a marriage advice newsletter.

    We had some communications training at work that was based off this grid... the actual trainer was awful and only tried to stereotype everyone, but it was pretty interesting to me to dig into what made up the quadrants. It's all about recognizing what type you're dealing with in each situation and responding accordingly. 

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  • Oy vey. I can see this being a thing, but it's not a male vs female thing. It's a people who care about details thing versus people who care about getting to the point, thing. Believe it or not, those don't actually have anything to do with genitalia! Mind blowing, I know!

    Wonder what know-it-all buttinski subscribed you to a marriage advice newsletter.

    We had some communications training at work that was based off this grid... the actual trainer was awful and only tried to stereotype everyone, but it was pretty interesting to me to dig into what made up the quadrants. It's all about recognizing what type you're dealing with in each situation and responding accordingly. 
    Can you fucking imagine someone doing that? Like paying the $15/year so that you get marriage advice? @HisGirlFriday13 maybe BSC Granny?
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  • beethery said:
    Oy vey. I can see this being a thing, but it's not a male vs female thing. It's a people who care about details thing versus people who care about getting to the point, thing. Believe it or not, those don't actually have anything to do with genitalia! Mind blowing, I know!

    Wonder what know-it-all buttinski subscribed you to a marriage advice newsletter.

    We had some communications training at work that was based off this grid... the actual trainer was awful and only tried to stereotype everyone, but it was pretty interesting to me to dig into what made up the quadrants. It's all about recognizing what type you're dealing with in each situation and responding accordingly. 
    Can you fucking imagine someone doing that? Like paying the $15/year so that you get marriage advice? @HisGirlFriday13 maybe BSC Granny?
    Oh, dear God. I hadn't considered that, thanks, y'all.

    DH thinks it's because of our pre-marital stuff with the Church, but this is (a) not Catholic and (b) again, a paid subscription. I wonder if it was BSC granny.


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    I'm gonna go with 'not my circus, not my monkeys.'
  • Oy vey. I can see this being a thing, but it's not a male vs female thing. It's a people who care about details thing versus people who care about getting to the point, thing. Believe it or not, those don't actually have anything to do with genitalia! Mind blowing, I know!

    Wonder what know-it-all buttinski subscribed you to a marriage advice newsletter.

    We had some communications training at work that was based off this grid... the actual trainer was awful and only tried to stereotype everyone, but it was pretty interesting to me to dig into what made up the quadrants. It's all about recognizing what type you're dealing with in each situation and responding accordingly. 
    I love the heck out of all personality quizzes!  I had never seen the quadrants thing before, that's interesting.

    I'm 100% a driver.  Any time I take one of these, I'm the domineering/knowitall/leader/bossypants.  I'm trying to work on being less intimidating.  Fi is way more laid-back and balances me out pretty well.  But he would be the one wanting the gossip, and I'm just like "Facts!  I want facts!"
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  • phira said:
    Rebl90 said:
    I'd be incredibly horrified if the Urban Dictionary version was correct, hahaha!
    Uhm....yeah. That would be a little odd. 

    I bean-dip DH's grandmother ALL.THE.TIME. Or I did, when I talked to her. Now I just don't talk to her.
    Oh man, I looked it up on Urban Dictonary and now I'm going to laugh when I see the phrase on here for a while
    I was on a forum for people with ulcerative colitis before I came here, so you might notice I never abbreviate "best man" or "bridesmaid."
    My mom is a nurse, so that's the first thing that my mind always goes to. No, Lolo, they are not having bowel movements at the head table. That is a whole other level of rudeness beyond a cash bar.

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  • MagicInk said:
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    So I misread this and thought the husband just came home one day and announced they were moving. When the wife asked for details (which would be a pretty weird response, if you ask me. I'd be all like, "what? Says who?") he just slams a door in her face. Lol.
    Well this version is much more interesting.

    Husbands, when the wife is nagging at you about why you're moving across the country, just bean dip that broad until she packs her suitcase and gets in the car. You made the right choice to move, she dosen't need the details.
    Worked for my dad!

    Except that he didn't understand why mom and I basically hated him for 10+ years! I was a child and didn't have a choice but mom just went with it. A+ mom!
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  • Huh, that's a fight?

    DF - Hey, Joe said whatever.
    Me - Joe S or Joe E?
    DF - Joe S.
    Me - Ok. *pull out phone, call Jane S for gossip*

    Several hours later

    Me - So Jane said blah blah blah. We should do whatever.
    DF - Huh? How'd you find that, Joe just said whatever.
    Me - I'm a girl. I'm a girl who likes gossip. I called Jane.
    DF - Oh yeah. Ok, we can do whatever.

    DF isn't exactly bean dipping me, he just honestly doesn't get into the details.
  • PrincessOfHavoc This is me and my FI perfectly. He always says I know more about his family than he does and I'm like no, I just ask 3 more questions than you do to get the full story *SIGH*
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  • phira said:
    Rebl90 said:
    I'd be incredibly horrified if the Urban Dictionary version was correct, hahaha!
    Uhm....yeah. That would be a little odd. 

    I bean-dip DH's grandmother ALL.THE.TIME. Or I did, when I talked to her. Now I just don't talk to her.
    Oh man, I looked it up on Urban Dictonary and now I'm going to laugh when I see the phrase on here for a while
    I was on a forum for people with ulcerative colitis before I came here, so you might notice I never abbreviate "best man" or "bridesmaid."
    My mom is a nurse, so that's the first thing that my mind always goes to. No, Lolo, they are not having bowel movements at the head table. That is a whole other level of rudeness beyond a cash bar.
    There's a lot of abbreviations. I've been guilty of a BM or two... But I cannot abbreviate Save The Date. And then pluralize it. C'mon now! Nobody wants you to send crabs and herpes 6-8 months before the wedding. Nobody.
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