I don't frequent this board often, but this post and all other anti-vaccine movements make me want to throw things at these idiots. I almost died 3 years ago because of this idiotic movement, and I most likely have permanent lung damage according to multiple pulmonologists due to a severe case of whopping cough as an adult. I was a long distance runner before getting sick, and now I can't even run a mile without breaking out into a coughing fit.
I went to college in a small town in the middle of no where, and I am pretty sure that many of these anti-vaccine people sent their kids to college there or lived in the town (huge Amish population as well). The doctors kept misdiagnosing me because I had my booster shot a year before, and kept saying that it couldn't be whooping cough. Until I ended up in the hospital, for a week, and they finally tested me for it, and it came back positive. I have read some studies that the pertussis virus that we are vaccinated against can mutate in people who aren't vaccinated, so then the mutated virus can make vaccinated people very ill as well.
I remember having one coughing fit so severe while in the hospital that I felt myself turning blue because I couldn't catch my breath. I kept hitting the call button in the room for nurses/doctors/etc to come, and they weren't coming fast enough. I thought I was going to die that night, but right before passing out from lack of oxygen the coughing stopped and I caught my breath. Only then did the nurses show up. That's not something that I would wish on my worst enemy normally, but these idiots fully deserve it.
I really hate that you went through that. But I clicked "love it" because I love that you are sharing a real-life story of the horror that these people cause with their selfish decisions. And you were (presumably) a healthy, strong, adult. Imagine the consequences for a 6 month old baby?
This to topic is probably the only parenting topic that makes me call other parents fucking morons. As a scientist it makes me sooooooo fucking angry. And if you are one of the Nurses against Vaccinations, you deserve to lose your license and to contract the diseases you make children get.
@lurkergirl thanks. It was not a pleasant experience, and I couldn't imagine a baby going through it. I was a mostly healthy, strong adult. I say that because I do have a minor bleeding disorder that does compromise my immune system (a cold for me is as severe as the flu for anyone else; the flu would send me to the hospital), but other than that, yes, I was a long distance runner in the best shape possible before this.
My BF thinks that you should have to apply for a parenting license to have kids, and I couldn't agree more when I see people who are this stupid with putting their kids and other kids in so much danger.
A friend of mine had a brilliant idea. She took this pic off Cracked, cropped out their logo, and plans to pass it out so all the paranoid idiots do an about-face.
Some things, I'm all about letting your immune system do its job. I've never had a flu shot, and am all about letting otherwise healthy kids get chicken pox. But the rest... just no words for how stupid these people are. EVEN IF vaccines caused autism, I'd 10000000x rather have a living child with autism than a child killed by the measles.
@AuroraRose41, wow that is scary! And hear I thought I was at least safe because I have all my vaccinations...or at least all the ones that existed when I was a kid. The chicken pox one came out long after I had caught it as a kid anyway.
Love your gif, lol. That would so be my dog. Wiping out and then deciding that lying on the floor still chewing on her ball was pretty awesome anyway.
Is it true that the chicken pox vaccine would also protect against shingles? I had chicken pox as a kid (along with my whole first-grade class AND our young teacher who'd never had it before). It wasn't that bad. But I've heard the vaccine not only protects against chicken pox, but then because you've never had chicken pox, you also can't get shingles. That to me would be a reason to vaccinate my kid. Shingles sucks.
"I'm not a rude bitch. I'm ten rude bitches in a large coat."
So I was just texting my mom and apparently when I was a wee baby one of my dad's cousins wanted to bring her baby to meet me. Now I was a preemie and had only been home from the hospital for a week. And cousin was apparently anti-vax and her baby was a little over a year old. And in daycare. So basically she wanted to bring her un-vaxed kid who'd been out and about with other kids to come play with the just home from the hospital premiee.
My mom, who was a big fan of keeping me alive, said hell to the no. I could meet them once I could get my vaccines. Which set off cousin. First she shouldn't pump all those chemicals into, I was too small to handle them. Second, how dare she insinuate she was a bad mom. And third her baby was healthy because of herd immunity and he would help me stay healthy.
I can't with people who get soap boxy when every shred of legit medical evidence says "NOOOOOOO". Like, knock it the fuck off.
I also don't understand how these people believe what they're saying. On a real serious note, I think it's very scary how easily influenced people are... Like really scary.
Human stupidity knows no bounds.
We all should be afraid.
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
Http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com -seriously click this.
This to topic is probably the only parenting topic that makes me call other parents fucking morons. As a scientist it makes me sooooooo fucking angry.
And if you are one of the Nurses against Vaccinations, you deserve to lose your license and to contract the diseases you make children get.
Let's start a Scientists Against Fucking Stupidity movement. . .
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
@short+sassy I thought the same thing before actually getting whooping cough. I was also shocked when the doctors finally confirmed that it was indeed whooping cough.
That gif makes me laugh every time I see it, and I mostly come on TK when I am bored or stressed out and in need of entertainment, so at least I can laugh at that if the boards are boring that day . Also, I want to meet your dog now!
Is it true that the chicken pox vaccine would also protect against shingles? I had chicken pox as a kid (along with my whole first-grade class AND our young teacher who'd never had it before). It wasn't that bad. But I've heard the vaccine not only protects against chicken pox, but then because you've never had chicken pox, you also can't get shingles. That to me would be a reason to vaccinate my kid. Shingles sucks.
No, you can get shingles even if you've never had chicken pox.
Is it true that the chicken pox vaccine would also protect against shingles? I had chicken pox as a kid (along with my whole first-grade class AND our young teacher who'd never had it before). It wasn't that bad. But I've heard the vaccine not only protects against chicken pox, but then because you've never had chicken pox, you also can't get shingles. That to me would be a reason to vaccinate my kid. Shingles sucks.
No, you can get shingles even if you've never had chicken pox.
No, I don't believe this is correct.
Shingles is herpes zoster. You get it by being infected initially with Varicella zoster virus, which causes chickenpox in children.
Like any herpes virus, once you have it and recover from it, it will remain dormant in your body for the rest of your life and will tend to flare back up in some form when you are stressed, immunocompromised, etc. As an adult it flares up as Shingles.
So everyone who had chickenpox at one point intheir life is at risk for a Shingles outbreak, and you have had to have a chickenpox- or tvaricella zoster virus- infection 1st in order to develop Shingles.
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
Is it true that the chicken pox vaccine would also protect against shingles? I had chicken pox as a kid (along with my whole first-grade class AND our young teacher who'd never had it before). It wasn't that bad. But I've heard the vaccine not only protects against chicken pox, but then because you've never had chicken pox, you also can't get shingles. That to me would be a reason to vaccinate my kid. Shingles sucks.
No, you can get shingles even if you've never had chicken pox.
No, I don't believe this is correct.
Shingles is herpes zoster. You get it by being infected initially with Varicella zoster virus, which causes chickenpox in children.
Like any herpes virus, once you have it and recover from it, it will remain dormant in your body for the rest of your life and will tend to flare back up in some form when you are stressed, immunocompromised, etc. As an adult it flares up as Shingles.
So everyone who had chickenpox at one point intheir life is at risk for a Shingles outbreak, and you have had to have a chickenpox- or tvaricella zoster virus- infection 1st in order to develop Shingles.
Correction: you can get the chickenpox virus from someone who has shingles, according to the NIH, it just gives you chickenpox rather than shingles:
But considering there haven't been long-term enough studies yet to know how long the chickenpox vaccine is effective for (they're saying ~20 years now) you could hypothetically be vaccinated as a child and still get the virus as an adult.
Is it true that the chicken pox vaccine would also protect against shingles? I had chicken pox as a kid (along with my whole first-grade class AND our young teacher who'd never had it before). It wasn't that bad. But I've heard the vaccine not only protects against chicken pox, but then because you've never had chicken pox, you also can't get shingles. That to me would be a reason to vaccinate my kid. Shingles sucks.
No, you can get shingles even if you've never had chicken pox.
No, I don't believe this is correct.
Shingles is herpes zoster. You get it by being infected initially with Varicella zoster virus, which causes chickenpox in children.
Like any herpes virus, once you have it and recover from it, it will remain dormant in your body for the rest of your life and will tend to flare back up in some form when you are stressed, immunocompromised, etc. As an adult it flares up as Shingles.
So everyone who had chickenpox at one point intheir life is at risk for a Shingles outbreak, and you have had to have a chickenpox- or tvaricella zoster virus- infection 1st in order to develop Shingles.
Correction: you can get the chickenpox virus from someone who has shingles, according to the NIH, it just gives you chickenpox rather than shingles:
But considering there haven't been long-term enough studies yet to know how long the chickenpox vaccine is effective for (they're saying ~20 years now) you could hypothetically be vaccinated as a child and still get the virus as an adult.
This is true for all vaccines. Immunity to viruses and bacteria can decrease over time, which is why we need to get booster shots of some vaccines every 10 years or so. The booster shot "reminds" your immune system that it has seen that pathogen before and boosts your immunity so that if you are exposed to the pathogen your immune system has a better chance of mounting an effective response. Unfortunately, vaccines aren't 100% effective at preventing you from getting infected. I don't know if scientists have figured out why some vaccinated people can still be infected. With high levels of vaccination (herd immunity) the chance that a vaccinated person who isn't protected comes into contact with the pathogen are slim, so it makes it difficult to identify vaccinated people that are still susceptible to infection until they are actually sick. "Natural" infection also doesn't lead to protection from subsequent infection all the time. Most people are protected from subsequent infections, some people get infected by the same virus a second time.
My daughter got whooping cough when she was almost 2 months old. She coughed so hard for so long that her lips were turning blue. I ended up rushing her to the ER because I had no clue what was going on. I had two older kids who never went through this. I got really lucky with her. She developed a similar cough one year later, not as bad, but still scared the crap out of me.
So yeah, Anti-vaxxers can go live in a special commune with other anti-vaxxers and stay away from everybody else in my opinion.
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This to topic is probably the only parenting topic that makes me call other parents fucking morons. As a scientist it makes me sooooooo fucking angry.
And if you are one of the Nurses against Vaccinations, you deserve to lose your license and to contract the diseases you make children get.
@AuroraRose41, wow that is scary! And hear I thought I was at least safe because I have all my vaccinations...or at least all the ones that existed when I was a kid. The chicken pox one came out long after I had caught it as a kid anyway.
Love your gif, lol. That would so be my dog. Wiping out and then deciding that lying on the floor still chewing on her ball was pretty awesome anyway.
We all should be afraid.
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
Shingles is herpes zoster. You get it by being infected initially with Varicella zoster virus, which causes chickenpox in children.
Like any herpes virus, once you have it and recover from it, it will remain dormant in your body for the rest of your life and will tend to flare back up in some form when you are stressed, immunocompromised, etc. As an adult it flares up as Shingles.
So everyone who had chickenpox at one point intheir life is at risk for a Shingles outbreak, and you have had to have a chickenpox- or tvaricella zoster virus- infection 1st in order to develop Shingles.
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."