@CMGragain

JCbride2015

Fi and I were driving through downtown yesterday around noon, and saw a couple walking through a crosswalk dressed to the nines: fire-engine red gown for her, and a tux for him.

Me: "Wow, where are they going dressed like that?"

Fi: "A wedding I guess?  But he looks ridiculous in that tux."

Me: "Yep."

Fi: "I mean, where's your morning suit, dude?"

CMGragain

I think TCM is running the movie, "Topper" on Friday.  In the beginning, a young couple is partying in New York, and they wake up in their expensive convertible car, parked on the street, still dressed in their evening clothes.  They young man (Cary Grant) gets out, and people are laughing at him, presumably because he is wearing a tuxedo in the morning.  I don't think today's audiences would understand the situation at all.

larrygaga

CMGragain said:

I think TCM is running the movie, "Topper" on Friday.  In the beginning, a young couple is partying in New York, and they wake up in their expensive convertible car, parked on the street, still dressed in their evening clothes.  They young man (Cary Grant) gets out, and people are laughing at him, presumably because he is wearing a tuxedo in the morning.  I don't think today's audiences would understand the situation at all.

It's not nice to laugh at people for what they wear.

I think people should wear what they want, when they want. Especially Cary Grant. 

Blah, movies

KatieinBkln

This reminds me of my favorite line in the entire miniseries of The Forsyth Saga, wherein the drunk/depressed/closeted best friend of the narrator shows up to dinner, and the father says half-sneering, half-exasperated: "Good God, Sebastian, you're in tweed."

beethery

The only time I have ever given a rat's ass about tux timing.

Our wedding is starting at 5, and I told FI if he wanted to wear a tux for that, he could go right ahead.

slothiegal

beethery said:

The only time I have ever given a rat's ass about tux timing.

Our wedding is starting at 5, and I told FI if he wanted to wear a tux for that, he could go right ahead.

No fair, @beethery, you beat me to the gif!!

slothieguy is a very casual guy.  Jeans and t-shirts are basically all he wears, including to work.  When we started discussing wedding attire, I told him he didn't have to wear a tux and asked what he would be most comfortable in.  He looks at me, surprised, and goes,

"But I want to wear a tux!"

I was flabbergasted.  He went on, "How many times am I going to get to wear a tux in my life?  I want a tux."

And at our 4:30 wedding, he stood up there wearing his tux and looking mighty damn handsome, if I do say so myself.

theartistformerlyknownas

beethery said:

The only time I have ever given a rat's ass about tux timing.

Our wedding is starting at 5, and I told FI if he wanted to wear a tux for that, he could go right ahead.

My wedding was at 4, and my dad insisted on wearing a tux. H wore a 3-piece suit. Neither of us minded he wore. Had anyone tried to laugh at the freakin' father of the bride for wanting to look his best while escorting his daughter down the aisle, they would have gotten a nice left hook supplemented by a few extra carats as a wedding favor.

Sure, getting out of a car in a tux first thing in the morning would get a chuckle out of me the same as the "walk of shame" does. But an afternoon wedding? Nope nope nope.

jenna8984

Sorry I'm with @larrygaga I think people should get to wear whatever the hell they want when they want. My father walked me down the aisle in basically the Chandler Bing outfit above. No tie, no jacket. It's the type of people we are and nobody laughed or made remarks that he was under dressed.

There are conventional norms like don't wear a chicken costume to a wedding but other than that, I don't care what people wear. JC, your man is fancy....mine is a greasy mechanic and would have absolutely no idea what a morning suit is lol

larrygaga

slothiegal

Rarely do people get the chance to dress up all fancy, so time of day be damned!

princessofgenovia

I always thought a morning suit was actually a mourning suit, so a suit you would wear to a funeral. 

My father owns one tie...I'm not sure I've ever seen him wear it. I had no idea tuxes had time limits on them.

photokitty

The invite probably said "black tie optional" and the dude was just trying to be nice and follow the rude suggestion ??? :-p

jdluvr06

Do people actually care if someone is wearing a suit or a tux? I honestly never notice. As long as they arent walking around naked then who cares?

JaxInBlue

We got married at 2:00. DH rocked the tux.  On the scale of etiquette offenses I get all riled up about, wearing a tux earlier than is considered right is pretty low. Where I grew up, tuxes were what grooms wore to weddings 99% of the time.  We were even early adopters of the camo tux. 

ETA: fixing my grammar

Kauris

I bet they were attending a wedding with a gap that was black tie optional.

CMGragain

After living in the Washington, DC area for 33 years, I can assure you that people do notice if you are not properly dressed.  I was at an awards banquet once, and an acquaintance of mine insisted on wearing a tuxedo.  He was the only man out of 300 wearing one, and he was very uncomfortable.
@larrygaga, formal dress is fine in the daytime - just not formal EVENING dress!  Formal daytime dress is a morning coat (cutaway), and men look fabulous in them.
Tuxedo rules exist, whether or not you like them.  Ladies have dress rules, too.  Would you wear a clubbing dress to church?  I hope not.  It is a free country, and yes, you can wear what you want, but nobody wants to feel like my friend who showed up to the awards banquet as the only man in a tuxedo.

ashley8918

I must be totally uncultured, because I honestly do not know the difference between a tux and a suit. They look like the same damn thing to me.

theartistformerlyknownas

CMGragain said:

After living in the Washington, DC area for 33 years, I can assure you that people in Washington DC do notice if you are not properly dressed.  I was at an awards banquet once, and an acquaintance of mine insisted on wearing a tuxedo.  He was the only man out of 300 wearing one, and he was very uncomfortable.
@larrygaga, formal dress is fine in the daytime - just not formal EVENING dress!  Formal daytime dress is a morning coat (cutaway), and men look fabulous in them.
Tuxedo rules exist, whether or not you like them.  Ladies have dress rules, too.  Would you wear a clubbing dress to church?  I hope not.  It is a free country, and yes, you can wear what you want, but nobody wants to feel like my friend who showed up to the awards banquet as the only man in a tuxedo.

FTFY.

You probably wouldn't wear dirty overalls to a funeral in NYC. But you know what? In Fowlerville, MI, people do. And nobody judges them. Someone might not wear a club dress to a church wedding in Chattanooga, but in Vegas it's totally OK. An awards banquet in DC is going to be a much more particular crowd than the general public. I find it extremely hard to believe that most people in most places really take such great issue with a tuxedo in the afternoon. Tuxedo "rules" are newer than the tuxedo itself, which you love to point out is a newer invention, relatively speaking. 

littlemushroom

I'm with @ashley8918.  I can't tell the difference between a suit and tux.  They look the same to me.

lurkergirl

ashley8918 said:

I must be totally uncultured, because I honestly do not know the difference between a tux and a suit. They look like the same damn thing to me.

GTFO, heathen!  You are not qualified to comment here. 

JCbride2015

I know that we will all NEVER agree on the tux thing.  I just thought it was funny that Fi even knows what a morning suit is (probably from me showing him TK threads) and that the morning suit is technically the appropriate attire for a formal daytime wedding.  Heck, he loves morning suits so much he wanted to wear one to our wedding until I explained they are... you know... for the morning.

raissyrais

JCbride2015 said:

I know that we will all NEVER agree on the tux thing.  I just thought it was funny that Fi even knows what a morning suit is (probably from me showing him TK threads) and that the morning suit is technically the appropriate attire for a formal daytime wedding.  Heck, he loves morning suits so much he wanted to wear one to our wedding until I explained they are... you know... for the morning.

Nope he's totally secretly watching Downton Abbey.

hellohkb

Yeah, I don't understand the difference between a tux and a suit either. Let alone a morning suit and an evening suit.

JCbride2015

raissyrais said:

JCbride2015 said:

I know that we will all NEVER agree on the tux thing.  I just thought it was funny that Fi even knows what a morning suit is (probably from me showing him TK threads) and that the morning suit is technically the appropriate attire for a formal daytime wedding.  Heck, he loves morning suits so much he wanted to wear one to our wedding until I explained they are... you know... for the morning.

Nope he's totally secretly watching Downton Abbey.

Not secretly.  We've watched the first few seasons together but are not caught up right now.  

theartistformerlyknownas

JCbride2015 said:

I know that we will all NEVER agree on the tux thing.  I just thought it was funny that Fi even knows what a morning suit is (probably from me showing him TK threads) and that the morning suit is technically the appropriate attire for a formal daytime wedding.  Heck, he loves morning suits so much he wanted to wear one to our wedding until I explained they are... you know... for the morning.

That part of it is hilarious!

ohannabelle

Yes, there are rules, and all of us break one or two. But I think it's good to know the rules, so that if you choose to break them you can do it gracefully, or even with blatant giveadamnism (that can be graceful, too, in a different way) and not break rules unknowingly, or in ways that might make you feel awkward.

We always tell newbies that just because you and your friends do it, it doesn't change the fact that the rule exists. Opinion doesn't equal etiquette. Just because it happens in your neighborhood doesn't make it correct.

I'm personally much more accepting of violating dress code etiquette than social behavior etiquette. But if there ever came a time or occasion that you wanted to be exactly sure you were wearing the appropriate thing, it's good to know the rules. 

princessofgenovia

ashley8918 said:

I must be totally uncultured, because I honestly do not know the difference between a tux and a suit. They look like the same damn thing to me.

One has a bow tie....and that's about all I know.

Inkdancer

princessofgenovia said:

ashley8918 said:

I must be totally uncultured, because I honestly do not know the difference between a tux and a suit. They look like the same damn thing to me.

One has a bow tie....and that's about all I know.

Actually, you can wear a Euro tie with a tux.

princessofgenovia

Inkdancer said:

princessofgenovia said:

ashley8918 said:

I must be totally uncultured, because I honestly do not know the difference between a tux and a suit. They look like the same damn thing to me.

One has a bow tie....and that's about all I know.

Actually, you can wear a Euro tie with a tux.

So see I know less then I thought I knew about tuxes.

CMGragain

hellokellybean said:

Yeah, I don't understand the difference between a tux and a suit either. Let alone a morning suit and an evening suit.

A tuxedo is American slang for a dinner jacket.  It is about 130 years old.  It is a less formal form of menswear than a full tailcoat (white tie), and is worn after 6:00 PM.  It is styled very much like a suit, but has satin lapels on the jacket, and a satin stripe down the pants.
A morning suit (cutaway) is worn to most European weddings, since they are often held in the daytime, and they used to be worn at upper class daytime weddings in the USA.  The coat is a tailcoat, either grey or black, and is worn with striped trousers and a cream colored vest.  They are worn to the Ascot races in the UK.  This is standard mens formal daytime wear.
A suit consists of a matching jacket and trousers.  It is usually wool or wool blend, and common colors are charcoal, grey, navy, black, or pinstripe variations of these.  It is appropriate to be worn at any time of day or night.  Matching vests are often an accessory.

Here is an excellent site that explains mens formal wear:http://www.blacktieguide.com/Supplemental/Morning_Dress.htm

(You didn't think I was making this up, did you?)

hellohkb

Iiiinteresting. I know nothing about men's clothing, let alone men's formalwear. I've heard of people saying evening suits in the past but never really thought about it.

CMGragain

Check out that website.  It has tons of information on it.  I love this page!  LOL!


http://www.blacktieguide.com/Supplemental/Hall_of_Shame.htm