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Setting boundaries with a friend

I really need to set some boundaries with a friend without hurting his feelings, and I’m at a loss for how to do it. I know you all are wise and I need advice. I promise I don’t mean to be insensitive here, and I don’t mean to sound like a jerk, but I am just so frustrated right now.

I met Jake about five years ago when I was in college. He wasn't a student but he hung out on campus. There were several incidents when he found out where I had class, and then where I lived, and started showing up and waiting for me there, completely unsolicited. Then he started calling me frequently, again and again, and leaving multiple voicemails per day. At that point I was so uncomfortable that I completely cut off contact.

We reconnected about a year ago when I ran into him near campus. I agreed to meet for coffee, and we had an okay visit. A month or so later he wanted to do coffee again, I said sure. It seemed like he had gotten better with the social cues and I felt that the constant calling and following wasn’t going to happen again. Well, for the last eight months he’s been texting me every week asking if we can get coffee. Then I feel resentful, because with my schedule I only have one “free” night to myself each week and that’s not how I want to spend it. I usually only go once every 3-4 weeks. I try to keep it to an hour or so, because I still have to buy groceries, cook dinner and do all the housework afterward, and he always gives me the heavy sigh and whiney voice when I say I need to get going. Then the day after we meet he’s texting me to ask if we can get coffee again next week. And (I feel terrible for this) those texts just make me want to chuck my phone across the room.

The kicker came last month when he gave me tickets for FI and I to go to a concert with him and his girlfriend. I had told him we weren’t going because we’re saving up for Christmas travel, because that’s nicer than telling him I didn’t want to go at all, especially with him (also it’s true that we’re saving for Christmas). So now I feel obligated to go and drag FI along. I also feel indebted to spend more time with him now. I know it was such a nice gesture, and it was a lot of money for him, but the more I think about it I feel frustrated about being put in this position. And I feel like an ass for feeling that way.

Jake has autism, and (correct me if I’m wrong here) I understand that inability to pick up on social cues and boundaries can be a function of autism, and that makes me feel even worse for being frustrated and wanting to distance myself. I know he doesn't have many other friends and doesn't work full-time, so hanging out every week doesn't seem like a lot to him. At the same time, I feel the need to set some clear boundaries as to how often we hang out and unsolicited gifts and such. But, I don’t know how to do this without hurting his feelings or feeling like an ass. Any advice you ladies can offer on how to go about it or what to say would be great.

TLDR: I have a friend who wants to hang out all the time, need advice about how to set boundaries with a friend without hurting his feelings.
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  • I'm not trying to be insensitive, but....are you wanting to stay his friend? It seems sort of like you spend time with him as a favor. If I'm reading that wrong then I'm sorry! I hope I don't come off accusingly. 
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  • Do you actually want to be his friend?  Because if the honest answer is "no" then you need to just cut it off.  
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  • How is Jake's relationship with is girlfriend? The reason I ask is because I was in an almost identical situation that you are in. Let's call my guy Keith.

     

    Keith would constantly text/call me to hang out even though he had a GF and I had my H (then BF). His relationship with his GF was rocky at best and it started getting to the point where I had to ignore phone calls from him because the attention he was giving me was not appropriate for a man with a GF.

     

    I finally broke off all contact and Keith and his GF split up eventually. The GF reached out to me about a month or so later. We were friendly before. Turns out Keith would use hanging out with me to get back at her saying things like, "well I will just go hang out with Sara then!" when they would fight. Creep.

     

    Not saying this is the same situation for you. I would maybe suck it up for the concert. Maybe Jake seeing you and your FI as a couple will mellow him out. After that, I would just start weening yourself away from Jake. It sounds like the relationship with him makes you uncomfortable. Then again, I could be way off.

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  • This is really hard and crazy awkward. I was an RA and had a resident who as Asbergers (sp?) and I had to be very direct with him. "Yes, I'll meet you for coffee but I have to leave at 4:00pm." If he makes you feel bad, tell him he is. Then tell him if he continues to make you feel bad, you won't go for coffee any more. I would feel terrible about the tickets and definitely feel obligated to go. 

    After that, do you truly want to be friends with him? It doesn't sound like it, but that might be the frustration. If you don't enjoy seeing him, I would just start declining until you loose touch again. 
  • blabla89blabla89 member
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    I'm not trying to be insensitive, but....are you wanting to stay his friend? It seems sort of like you spend time with him as a favor. If I'm reading that wrong then I'm sorry! I hope I don't come off accusingly. 
    I do like him as a person, we have some stuff in common, and enjoy hanging out with him once in a while. It's the asking multiple times per week when we can hang out that gets me. Sorry if that came out the wrong way in my post. I do consider him a friend, just not a super close one.

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  • edited November 2014
    blabla89 said:
    I'm not trying to be insensitive, but....are you wanting to stay his friend? It seems sort of like you spend time with him as a favor. If I'm reading that wrong then I'm sorry! I hope I don't come off accusingly. 
    I do like him as a person, we have some stuff in common, and enjoy hanging out with him once in a while. It's the asking multiple times per week when we can hang out that gets me. Sorry if that came out the wrong way in my post. I do consider him a friend, just not a super close one.

    ETA: clarity
    Maybe you should just practice saying no to some of his requests, and understand that it isn't something you should feel really bad about. 

    I'm definitely a "yes" person. If a friend asks to hang out, I'll usually say yes even if I am super busy. I just immediately feel guilty. I've started practicing saying no, and I make myself feel better by then making a mental note to be the one to ask them to do something in the near future. That way it also doesn't make me feel guilty for it coming off as a one-way friendship with me always saying no all of the time, because I'll then go out of my way to make time for them. 

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  • Ugh. Awkward. I think you need to just be direct and honest with him, even though you're afraid of making him feel bad. Just say "Look, I like hanging out with you, but I have very limited free time. I can go out for coffee once in a while but not on a weekly basis." If he doesn't get subtle signs, then you just need to tell him like it is (but obviously you can do this without being flat-out mean). 

    Maybe right now he thinks hounding you is the right way to get you to hang out with him. He just needs to hear the truth. 
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  • Okay, could you maybe set a standing date? The first Monday of the month or something. Tell him you feel bad, but then maybe he wouldn't text so constantly. 
  • Okay, could you maybe set a standing date? The first Monday of the month or something. Tell him you feel bad, but then maybe he wouldn't text so constantly. 
    I really like this idea if you are wanting to avoid confrontation of saying, "hey you're bugging me!" lol
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  • Okay, could you maybe set a standing date? The first Monday of the month or something. Tell him you feel bad, but then maybe he wouldn't text so constantly. 
    I was just going to suggest this! Maybe if you have a standing monthly coffee date he won't feel the need to text you as often. 


  • I would just keep declining his invitations. If he gets whiny, you can then say, "Honestly when you keep asking me to hang out and pout when I say no, it really puts me off wanting to hang out with you at all. I don't have a lot of free time, and I hope that you don't take it personally that I don't want to spend ALL of it with you--I do want to hang out sometimes, but lately I feel like you want more than I'm able to give you, and it is upsetting to me. Do you think we could aim for getting together once a month or so? I hate to feel like I'm disappointing you all the time, but I need to take care of myself too."

    See what he says. If he can agree to back off a bit, then great! If he accuses you of not liking him, rejecting him, or otherwise unleashes a barrage of feelings at you, then you are within your rights to say, "You know, I think we might need a break from each other for a while. When I'm ready to hang out again I'll call you, but please don't contact me until then."

    Out of curiosity, how did you get him to back off when you were in college and he was even more inappropriate?
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  • I would just keep declining his invitations. If he gets whiny, you can then say, "Honestly when you keep asking me to hang out and pout when I say no, it really puts me off wanting to hang out with you at all. I don't have a lot of free time, and I hope that you don't take it personally that I don't want to spend ALL of it with you--I do want to hang out sometimes, but lately I feel like you want more than I'm able to give you, and it is upsetting to me. Do you think we could aim for getting together once a month or so? I hate to feel like I'm disappointing you all the time, but I need to take care of myself too."

    See what he says. If he can agree to back off a bit, then great! If he accuses you of not liking him, rejecting him, or otherwise unleashes a barrage of feelings at you, then you are within your rights to say, "You know, I think we might need a break from each other for a while. When I'm ready to hang out again I'll call you, but please don't contact me until then."

    Out of curiosity, how did you get him to back off when you were in college and he was even more inappropriate?
    I completely cut off contact. When he called me I would reject it and silence my phone, then pick it back up an hour later to see that he had called me 10 times (not exaggerating), delete the voicemails, and not call back. After a few months he eventually stopped calling.
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  • blabla89 said:
    I would just keep declining his invitations. If he gets whiny, you can then say, "Honestly when you keep asking me to hang out and pout when I say no, it really puts me off wanting to hang out with you at all. I don't have a lot of free time, and I hope that you don't take it personally that I don't want to spend ALL of it with you--I do want to hang out sometimes, but lately I feel like you want more than I'm able to give you, and it is upsetting to me. Do you think we could aim for getting together once a month or so? I hate to feel like I'm disappointing you all the time, but I need to take care of myself too."

    See what he says. If he can agree to back off a bit, then great! If he accuses you of not liking him, rejecting him, or otherwise unleashes a barrage of feelings at you, then you are within your rights to say, "You know, I think we might need a break from each other for a while. When I'm ready to hang out again I'll call you, but please don't contact me until then."

    Out of curiosity, how did you get him to back off when you were in college and he was even more inappropriate?
    I completely cut off contact. When he called me I would reject it and silence my phone, then pick it back up an hour later to see that he had called me 10 times (not exaggerating), delete the voicemails, and not call back. After a few months he eventually stopped calling.
    See this just sounds unhealthy. Do you think he is building back up to that level?
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  • blabla89 said:
    I would just keep declining his invitations. If he gets whiny, you can then say, "Honestly when you keep asking me to hang out and pout when I say no, it really puts me off wanting to hang out with you at all. I don't have a lot of free time, and I hope that you don't take it personally that I don't want to spend ALL of it with you--I do want to hang out sometimes, but lately I feel like you want more than I'm able to give you, and it is upsetting to me. Do you think we could aim for getting together once a month or so? I hate to feel like I'm disappointing you all the time, but I need to take care of myself too."

    See what he says. If he can agree to back off a bit, then great! If he accuses you of not liking him, rejecting him, or otherwise unleashes a barrage of feelings at you, then you are within your rights to say, "You know, I think we might need a break from each other for a while. When I'm ready to hang out again I'll call you, but please don't contact me until then."

    Out of curiosity, how did you get him to back off when you were in college and he was even more inappropriate?
    I completely cut off contact. When he called me I would reject it and silence my phone, then pick it back up an hour later to see that he had called me 10 times (not exaggerating), delete the voicemails, and not call back. After a few months he eventually stopped calling.
    Yikes. Honestly, some of this sounds scary, and to me it crosses the line. I would be hesitant to be friends at all with someone who did some of these things. I think you are way way nicer than I am. 
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  • blabla89 said:
    I would just keep declining his invitations. If he gets whiny, you can then say, "Honestly when you keep asking me to hang out and pout when I say no, it really puts me off wanting to hang out with you at all. I don't have a lot of free time, and I hope that you don't take it personally that I don't want to spend ALL of it with you--I do want to hang out sometimes, but lately I feel like you want more than I'm able to give you, and it is upsetting to me. Do you think we could aim for getting together once a month or so? I hate to feel like I'm disappointing you all the time, but I need to take care of myself too."

    See what he says. If he can agree to back off a bit, then great! If he accuses you of not liking him, rejecting him, or otherwise unleashes a barrage of feelings at you, then you are within your rights to say, "You know, I think we might need a break from each other for a while. When I'm ready to hang out again I'll call you, but please don't contact me until then."

    Out of curiosity, how did you get him to back off when you were in college and he was even more inappropriate?
    I completely cut off contact. When he called me I would reject it and silence my phone, then pick it back up an hour later to see that he had called me 10 times (not exaggerating), delete the voicemails, and not call back. After a few months he eventually stopped calling.
    Eeek. Honestly, I would be weary to open this can of worms again. 
  • blabla89 said:
    I would just keep declining his invitations. If he gets whiny, you can then say, "Honestly when you keep asking me to hang out and pout when I say no, it really puts me off wanting to hang out with you at all. I don't have a lot of free time, and I hope that you don't take it personally that I don't want to spend ALL of it with you--I do want to hang out sometimes, but lately I feel like you want more than I'm able to give you, and it is upsetting to me. Do you think we could aim for getting together once a month or so? I hate to feel like I'm disappointing you all the time, but I need to take care of myself too."

    See what he says. If he can agree to back off a bit, then great! If he accuses you of not liking him, rejecting him, or otherwise unleashes a barrage of feelings at you, then you are within your rights to say, "You know, I think we might need a break from each other for a while. When I'm ready to hang out again I'll call you, but please don't contact me until then."

    Out of curiosity, how did you get him to back off when you were in college and he was even more inappropriate?
    I completely cut off contact. When he called me I would reject it and silence my phone, then pick it back up an hour later to see that he had called me 10 times (not exaggerating), delete the voicemails, and not call back. After a few months he eventually stopped calling.
    Agree with others who think this might be a sign that this just isn't a healthy friendship for either of you. BUT, if you want to keep him as a friend but not a clinger, maybe you could say:

    Hey, do you remember a few years ago when I stopped answering your calls and we stopped hanging out for a while? I did that because I was uncomfortable with how often you were calling me. It honestly scared me a little, and I feel like you've started to ramp up the calls to hang out lately, so I'm worried our friendship is turning intense again. But I wanted to tell you how I feel because I don't want to lose your friendship--I just need you to know that calling me X times per day/week is way too much for me. I will do my best to reply to you with a yes or no in a reasonable amount of time, but can you please stop calling X times?

    It will probably be best to be super specific about what your "threshold" is for calls. I have a feeling he genuinely doesn't realize that his intensity level is A. increasing and B. creeping you out. Saying "can you call less" would maybe get you a 5% decrease when what you want is a 90% decrease, so be prepared to be excruciatingly clear if you want to keep him as a friend.
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  • Thank you all for your advice, it has really helped me to feel better about setting boundaries and how to go about it. You ladies have been spot on with helping me to (nicely) verbalize what I'm feeling, which is something I'm not always good at. I really like the idea of planning for once a month for a set amount of time, and I'm going to give that a try and see how he responds.
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  • Update: Jake and I had plans for coffee yesterday. As soon as we sat down he started telling me about how the doctor changed his meds and he's been feeling so depressed and anxious and lonely, and he's so glad I'm here. Then I felt terrible for wanting to distance myself. Then, when I signaled that it was time to go (after an hour and a half, I asked if I could give him a ride home) he gave me the heavy sigh. I'm still going to try setting a standing date next time he asks when we can get coffee again (which will probably be today) and hopefully he will be good with it. Thanks again ladies!
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  • blabla89 said:
    Update: Jake and I had plans for coffee yesterday. As soon as we sat down he started telling me about how the doctor changed his meds and he's been feeling so depressed and anxious and lonely, and he's so glad I'm here. Then I felt terrible for wanting to distance myself. Then, when I signaled that it was time to go (after an hour and a half, I asked if I could give him a ride home) he gave me the heavy sigh. I'm still going to try setting a standing date next time he asks when we can get coffee again (which will probably be today) and hopefully he will be good with it. Thanks again ladies!
    Don't let him guilt you into a situation you don't like. Yes, it's unfortunate that he's having trouble with his meds, but you're not his doctor and it's not your job to take care of him or fix his issues. You're doing as much as you can to be a good friend, and that's all you need to do. 
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  • I had a work aquaintance who was somewhere on the autism spectrum.  And honestly, I loved talking to him because he never got his feelings hurt.  He didn't understand social cues, so when I was done talking to him (we had the same taste in books), I would just tell him, "Okay, you need to leave now, I have to get back to work."  Occasionally he'd come in and want to talk and I'd just have to tell him straight off that I was incredibly busy and couldn't talk.

    If Jake was my friend, I'd probably tell him that his deep sighing made me uncomfortable.  "Listen Jake, I told you that I only had an hour for coffee today.  I don't appreciate when you sigh like that.  It makes me feel guilty for having to go.  And I do need to go, I have a lot to do.  Let's set a plan right now to get together again on the 28th, and I won't be available to get together with you before then.  But if you give me the deep sigh when I need to leave on the 28th, I'm going to have to stop planning coffee outings with you."
  • adk19 said:
    I had a work aquaintance who was somewhere on the autism spectrum.  And honestly, I loved talking to him because he never got his feelings hurt.  He didn't understand social cues, so when I was done talking to him (we had the same taste in books), I would just tell him, "Okay, you need to leave now, I have to get back to work."  Occasionally he'd come in and want to talk and I'd just have to tell him straight off that I was incredibly busy and couldn't talk.

    If Jake was my friend, I'd probably tell him that his deep sighing made me uncomfortable.  "Listen Jake, I told you that I only had an hour for coffee today.  I don't appreciate when you sigh like that.  It makes me feel guilty for having to go.  And I do need to go, I have a lot to do.  Let's set a plan right now to get together again on the 28th, and I won't be available to get together with you before then.  But if you give me the deep sigh when I need to leave on the 28th, I'm going to have to stop planning coffee outings with you."
    This seems like really solid advice to me--I admit I have very little knowledge of the autism spectrum, but it does seem like if a person can't "get" social cues, it follows that they may not realize that they're actually sending them, too. He may genuinely not realize that his Heavy Sighs of Disappointment are reading as passive-aggressive "poor little me" sighs to you.
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  • adk19 said:
    I had a work aquaintance who was somewhere on the autism spectrum.  And honestly, I loved talking to him because he never got his feelings hurt.  He didn't understand social cues, so when I was done talking to him (we had the same taste in books), I would just tell him, "Okay, you need to leave now, I have to get back to work."  Occasionally he'd come in and want to talk and I'd just have to tell him straight off that I was incredibly busy and couldn't talk.

    If Jake was my friend, I'd probably tell him that his deep sighing made me uncomfortable.  "Listen Jake, I told you that I only had an hour for coffee today.  I don't appreciate when you sigh like that.  It makes me feel guilty for having to go.  And I do need to go, I have a lot to do.  Let's set a plan right now to get together again on the 28th, and I won't be available to get together with you before then.  But if you give me the deep sigh when I need to leave on the 28th, I'm going to have to stop planning coffee outings with you."
    I think that would be absolutely the perfect way to deal with the heavy sigh. He probably doesn't realize how uncomfortable it makes you - it is just his way of expressing his disappointment. 

    And I also agree that just because you're his good friend and he feels better with you, doesn't mean you should feel guilty that you have limited time to spend with him. You aren't distancing yourself from him - you're trying to make time for him in your busy life, which everyone does with every relationship in their life; it just happens to be more of a challenge with Jake than it is your more "normal" relationships. If his medications are out of whack, he needs to take that up with his doctor. You can't base your interaction with him off of how his meds are affecting him - that means he can say "My meds changed again" and you'll push it off until the next time. 
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  • I have aspergers so I can relate to this. While I can't speak for everyone I can speak for myself. I really don't understand cues at all. I need people to be direct with me. For instance, I was out to dinner with several friends. Everyone asked for to go boxes but I was still hungry so I kept eating. Cue thirty minutes later and everyone starts laughing because I didn't notice everyone wanted to go. So the monthly coffee hangout sounds perfect. I know that I would look forward to get and not call as much. I do sometimes feel like I may come across as needy, but I really do like hanging out with my friends. I feel like I've gotten better but I still have to work on it.
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  • buttercup, do your friends know?  Because really, instead of laughing at you 30 minutes after they all wanted to leave, they really should have said, "hey, we wanna get outta here, so we're going to ask for to-go boxes, then the check, then we're leaving."  I just don't get people sometimes.

    I had a friend who was dating (and for a short time engaged to) a man with Aspergers.  She really didn't understand it though, and it ended their relationship.  She would get so angry at him and tell us that they hadn't had sex in months.  They went to a hotel one night (because their place was being fumigated or something) and she put on some sexy panties and walked around the room seductively hoping to hint to him that she wanted sex.  He didn't get it, and so rented a movie on the TV, and went to bed early.  She was livid that he didn't understand and that was the start of the long hill down.  I wish I knew then what I know now because now I could help a little.  "Friend, he doesn't understand hints.  You need to say, 'hey Jason, I want sex.  You are going to do this and this to me, then I'm going to do this and this to you, then we're going to sleep'."
  • @adk19 At that time, they didn't know. So I wasn't hurt when they started to laugh, I just felt silly. Only a couple of close friends know so far. I've started to be more open about it though since it seem like it was affecting my life. I was always nervous to talk about it since in the past couple of years these mass shooters had it too and I didn't want people to be scared of me. So far it hasn't been an issue except for one of my peers in my department. She wants to be the smartest one so when I beat her or have similar grades she tries to rationalize that since I have aspergers, I must ask questions and learn better. I just roll my eyes though.

    V and I use to fight everyone once in awhile because I couldn't pick up hints. I would ask him if something is wrong and he would say no. So I would assume everything was fine, but he thought I didn't care enough to notice. That's not an issue anymore and we have great communication.  

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  • @adk19 At that time, they didn't know. So I wasn't hurt when they started to laugh, I just felt silly. Only a couple of close friends know so far. I've started to be more open about it though since it seem like it was affecting my life. I was always nervous to talk about it since in the past couple of years these mass shooters had it too and I didn't want people to be scared of me. So far it hasn't been an issue except for one of my peers in my department. She wants to be the smartest one so when I beat her or have similar grades she tries to rationalize that since I have aspergers, I must ask questions and learn better. I just roll my eyes though.

    V and I use to fight everyone once in awhile because I couldn't pick up hints. I would ask him if something is wrong and he would say no. So I would assume everything was fine, but he thought I didn't care enough to notice. That's not an issue anymore and we have great communication.  

    That's just fucking annoying. That chick needs to realize you're just smarter than her :P 
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  • novella1186 haha thanks! I'm assuming her attitude towards me is just immaturity. Also I took over her job since she was hardly ever at the museum and my boss says I'm the best he has ever had for a manager. So I think it's a case of sour grapes.
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  • @buttercup1958 it's definitely sour grapes. Also, I want to say thank you so much for opening up and sharing your perspective. It is really helpful.
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  • @blabla89 That's what V keeps telling me too so I don't let her bother me. And of course anytime!
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