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The Most Impossible Person On Earth

This title goes to my dad (remember my post about helping me with gift ideas for him?). We don't get along all the time, but I try. I genuinely try to have a relationship with him, even if it never works out. 

He wanted to pay for food and desert for our wedding. He's helped me financially before (such as for college) and it was never an issue. In fact it's a way for me to include him in something so that tends to be the only time we get along. 

I told him about which caterers we were interested in, showed him their menus, invited him to the tasting, he spoke with the caterer in person, crunched numbers, helped decide on the food, etc. It was fun, and it went well. He pushed me to add more to our menu and said I should order whichever thing I wanted. Would not give me any sort of budget or limit. Even tried to get me to choose the more expensive cut of beef, but I'm really budget conscious and was careful to keep it all under control. He looked at the final numbers, said it was good, said it was way less than he expected, signed the contract, paid the deposit, everything was cool. Alright! (This was about 5 months ago). 

Last weekend, he chose which bakery he wanted to get our desserts from. Since I don't care much about the desserts and neither does FI, and since my dad is paying for this, we didn't mind. It's a good bakery anyway, but it's pricey. We had everything picked out and had the final price estimate, and then suddenly my dad decides to add a TON more stuff to our order, which increased the price by a couple hundred dollars. FI and I did not want this, it was not necessary, but again my dad wanted to pay for it and he knew the cost, so fine. Go ahead. 

We go to lunch after the bakery, and the SECOND we sit down my dad pounces on me. He was pissed about the cost. He was bombarding me with somewhat hostile questions such as "How much do you think I'm going to spend on this wedding? How much is the food going to cost? Why do you think you can spend whatever you want? Exactly how much money are you trying to get out of me?" Then he starts flat-out insulting me with the way I handle money, accusing me of just spending frivolously without a care in the world, and blowing all his money on nonsense, and said he wouldn't give me another penny and didn't want to pay for anything. Um... what? He was the one that chose everything. He was the one who tried to get me to spend MORE and I was constantly worrying about the budget and tracking costs on a huge spreadsheet I made. He was the one who added 20+ people to the guest list, even after I argued a million times that this was going to add to the costs, especially for food because it's per person. He wanted to be larger than life. 

The thing is, he has a HUGE ego and thinks he's a local celebrity, so this was a chance for him to show off. He wants a huge elaborate dessert display, and he wants to brag to all his friends that he spent a fortune on it for his spoiled brat daughter. He wants the big show, but I'm sure after he thought about the actual money figures, he had a panicked moment and took it out on me. 

After his blow-up at lunch, FI and I looked over our budget again. We could pay for the food and dessert ourselves if we scale back and cut the guest list a little. We've been extremely careful with our money and are paying for the majority of the wedding ourselves. So I e-mailed my parents and let them know that FI and I have thought about it and we'd like to take the burden of cost away from them by paying for food and dessert ourselves. OMG my dad flipped the fuck out. It was a huge insult to him. He wanted to pay. 
So I said "well you seemed very concerned about the cost at lunch the other day. So if you still want to pay that's really nice of you, but let me call the caterer and bakery to scale things back a little. It'll save a few hundred dollars at least." OH NO!  No, no, no! I will NOT scale back! (Because he needs the big elaborate display to show off. This is the man who was on the brink of bankruptcy several years ago and had 40 live lobsters flown in from Maine and threw a huge pool party for all his friends and each person got their own steamed lobster). 

Then my mom jumped in and went on a whole tangent about how they want to help us even MORE with wedding stuff, and would like to pay for invitations (yeah this is NOT happening. It's not worth the stress.) But I decided to call my dad on his bs and I said "Then let's scale back on the dessert. If we do X, it'll save over $200 which is enough to cover invitations and postage." Again, this wasn't my real plan, I just wanted to call him on his bs. I'm paying for the invitations and postage myself, regardless of what they say. 

My dad got pissed again. He said "No, I'll just give you an extra $200 for that when you need it." Nope! 
Me: "Dad I'm not asking you for more money. What I'm saying is I'm trying to stick to a budget here. We can use the funds you've already made available to us and re-allocate them in a more useful way in order to cover more things that are important." 
My dad: "No." lol, ok. 

So I try to control costs and he ignores me and goes over the top. Then attacks me for spending too much money. Then won't allow me to scale back to save money. His idea of a budget is if you have $500 to spend on 3 things, you spend all $500 on the first thing and then get more money for the other two things and end up spending $1,200 cuz it's all about appearances, and then blame someone else for blowing the budget. 

I guess I don't need advice on this one because I know how he is. He's an extremely complicated person to deal with. I just thought since he was so involved in the food and desserts from the get-go and had a say in all of it, that it would all be fine. Especially since in the past the financial stuff with him was always fine, and in this case getting him involved was a good way for us to do something together and "bond." 

I just wanted to share and vent about how fucking impossible he is. It's really damned if you do, damned if you don't. There is nothing I can do because no matter what, he'll be mad. If I don't let him pay apparently he'll also be really hurt and offended. But since he's always been like this, I'm also kind of used to it so I just have to shrug it off and ignore him. I swear I should have pursued my psychology career and my entire PhD thesis could have been on him. This is not even the tip of the iceberg of how nuts he is. Anyway. Sorry this post is super long. I'm done with my vent now. 
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Re: The Most Impossible Person On Earth

  • beethery said:
    Your dad is fucking weird.
    Yup. FI didn't believe me at first when I tried to explain how fucking nuts and frustrating my dad is. Now he's known him for over 2 years and is suggesting we move far away after the wedding and not talk to him lol 
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  • loro929loro929 member
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    Yea, agree with PP. I also agree that he was probably in the moment and picking and choosing everything his heart desired - then got nervous when the cold hard cash of reality kicked in and took it out on you.

    I think your very correct in making sure that you can cover everything in the off chance whatever money was promised doesn't come through. In regards to the rest though, I think I would just try to stop chatting about the details (so much easier said than done), just so they don't have the option to keep chiming in with their "financial assistance".

    ETA. sending ALL the wine to you! Another PP (sorry I don't remember who, otherwise I would have cited you) said in another post "whine and wine". I think that also fits perfectly here!
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  • What the helllllll.

    Like, does he have memory problems? Or an evil twin?? What the fuck?!

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  • loro929 said:
    Yea, agree with PP. I also agree that he was probably in the moment and picking and choosing everything his heart desired - then got nervous when the cold hard cash of reality kicked in and took it out on you.

    I think your very correct in making sure that you can cover everything in the off chance whatever money was promised doesn't come through. In regards to the rest though, I think I would just try to stop chatting about the details (so much easier said than done), just so they don't have the option to keep chiming in with their "financial assistance".

    ETA. sending ALL the wine to you! Another PP (sorry I don't remember who, otherwise I would have cited you) said in another post "whine and wine". I think that also fits perfectly here!
    Thanks! I've completely refrained from talking details with my parents, for months now, but going to the bakery obviously brought the subject up so it opened the gates of hell. Ugh. 
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  • What the helllllll.

    Like, does he have memory problems? Or an evil twin?? What the fuck?!
    Evil twin is a good theory. I'm gonna go with that! 

    He's just all over the place all the time. We were having a normal conversation a few weeks ago, and my mom interrupted him, so he stomped out of the room muttering and cussing and dropping F bombs and would not come back. It's kind of like dealing with a child sometimes. 
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  • Giirrrlllll I am so sorry he acted like that and made you feel that way! That's awful. I agree with everything PPs have said... Plus a hug because damn.

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  • What the helllllll.

    Like, does he have memory problems? Or an evil twin?? What the fuck?!
    Evil twin is a good theory. I'm gonna go with that! 

    He's just all over the place all the time. We were having a normal conversation a few weeks ago, and my mom interrupted him, so he stomped out of the room muttering and cussing and dropping F bombs and would not come back. It's kind of like dealing with a child sometimes. 
    I'd honestly deal with him like a vendor and try to back everything up in writing so he can't throw this wild shit in your face. Try to communicate via email as much as possible.
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  • I know someone kind of like this, and now my heart absolutely goes out to his family.

    And you, because that sounds absurdly stressful and I can't imagine what growing up with that must have been like.

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  • I'm really sorry you have to deal with this, novella1186.  Your story sounds really familiar.  My dad can be a total asshole when it comes to money.  When I was growing up there were several times when he pushed me to do things, saying he'd pay for them and then back out when it was too late because of my "behavior."  I should've remembered this when he offered to help pay for our wedding; it's turned into a nightmare and yes, he and my mother have much more expensive tastes than we do.  Every time I diplomatically offer a suggestion they don't agree with, they call me ungrateful.  I don't think my father will back out on what he promised financially this time around, but it's a possibility we've accounted for.

    If I had to do it all over again I would've just said no to his offer and we would've done everything ourselves exactly the way we like it and not owing them anything or being guilted into anything.

    I guess the only thing I can say is that you should be excited about starting your own life with your husband and truly being completely emancipated from dad.  After the wedding there will be no question of whether he pays for anything and you, in turn, have to feel like you owe him.

    BIG HUG!!
  • I'm pretty sure my mom IS your dad! Ughh very frustrating dealing with these types of people, sending virtual wine to you! My mom pulls the exact same shit and I vowed when I graduated university to never accept a penny from her because it's just not worth it.

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  • He really is impossible. I'm sorry. How frustrating. 

    Side note: I'd really like it if one of my friends flew in a fresh lobster for me. 
    My parents used to do this a lot in the 90s when they had friends with a fishing boat in Newfoundland. We got to go pick up the lobsters at the airport like they were returning from a business trip or something.

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  • What the helllllll.

    Like, does he have memory problems? Or an evil twin?? What the fuck?!
    Yeah I was going to say "Well hello there Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde."

    I would probably feign deafness if he went off on one of his crazy tangents again.

  • I'm really sorry you have to deal with this, novella1186.  Your story sounds really familiar.  My dad can be a total asshole when it comes to money.  When I was growing up there were several times when he pushed me to do things, saying he'd pay for them and then back out when it was too late because of my "behavior."  I should've remembered this when he offered to help pay for our wedding; it's turned into a nightmare and yes, he and my mother have much more expensive tastes than we do.  Every time I diplomatically offer a suggestion they don't agree with, they call me ungrateful.  I don't think my father will back out on what he promised financially this time around, but it's a possibility we've accounted for.

    If I had to do it all over again I would've just said no to his offer and we would've done everything ourselves exactly the way we like it and not owing them anything or being guilted into anything.

    I guess the only thing I can say is that you should be excited about starting your own life with your husband and truly being completely emancipated from dad.  After the wedding there will be no question of whether he pays for anything and you, in turn, have to feel like you owe him.

    BIG HUG!!
    Bleh. I'm sorry you have to deal with this same kind of crap. No fun! 
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  • beethery said:
    What the helllllll.

    Like, does he have memory problems? Or an evil twin?? What the fuck?!
    Evil twin is a good theory. I'm gonna go with that! 

    He's just all over the place all the time. We were having a normal conversation a few weeks ago, and my mom interrupted him, so he stomped out of the room muttering and cussing and dropping F bombs and would not come back. It's kind of like dealing with a child sometimes. 
    I'd honestly deal with him like a vendor and try to back everything up in writing so he can't throw this wild shit in your face. Try to communicate via email as much as possible.
    Yeah, I've been saving his texts too. Cuz he will attack me again after the fact, and he'll do it in front of people to make himself look good and make me look like an asshole, and he'll twist all the facts around. So I'm saving evidence just to be able to say "Nope, look, I tried to cut costs and you would not allow it. So shut it!" 

    He always does shit like that. 
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  • I'd probably just scale back the guest list and politely refuse any more offers of money. If he really wants you to have the money then he can give it to you as a gift afterward (I'm not suggesting that you ask him for cash, of course), which it sounds like he probably won't do since no one will see it. 
  • Oh dear, curiouser and curiouser. He did offer didn't he? Maybe he realized he won't be able to afford it all after all...
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  • Oh dear, curiouser and curiouser. He did offer didn't he? Maybe he realized he won't be able to afford it all after all...
    He not only offered, he was pushy about it. Go figure... 
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  • Ugh, sorry he's being such a jerk. I don't have anything really helpful to add except to offer you a cute puppy gif

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  • levioosa said:
    Ugh, sorry he's being such a jerk. I don't have anything really helpful to add except to offer you a cute puppy gif

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    Aw thanks! Much appreciated! 

    I feel like he'd make a good character in a book one day, but I also feel like most readers would say he's too crazy to be a realistic character lol 
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  • I thought this was going to be a thread about Kanye or Russell Brand. . .

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


  • Girl, dads be cray. I love my dad, but like yours he has a tendency to be a little...inconsistent. I remember when he took my wisdom teeth out last year, he took me home after and was like, "Now you're going to be on a lot of medication so I want you to take it easy. Just hang out on the couch, watch TV, and eat soft foods when you can."

    The next day I got this gem from him: "So are you just going to spend your whole visit watching TV???"
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  • Girl, dads be cray. I love my dad, but like yours he has a tendency to be a little...inconsistent. I remember when he took my wisdom teeth out last year, he took me home after and was like, "Now you're going to be on a lot of medication so I want you to take it easy. Just hang out on the couch, watch TV, and eat soft foods when you can."

    The next day I got this gem from him: "So are you just going to spend your whole visit watching TV???"
    lol that is a good one. You're so right. dads be cray. 
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  • Oof. All I have to say is it's a miracle you are as well adjusted as you are.
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    This baby knows exactly how I feel
  • Oof. All I have to say is it's a miracle you are as well adjusted as you are.
    Haha that is funny of you to mention, because between all the shit with my sister and all the shit with my dad, FI always says the same thing. Every time this crap comes up, FI just looks at me and says "How the fuck are you so normal?!" 

    I don't know. I don't know how I turned out mostly ok, but I did. Hallelujah. 
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