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I just need to vent.

My son is a junior in high school. He has had straight A’s for his entire school career, and his high school GPA is 4.21. As of right this minute, he does not have below a 94% in any of his classes. He is also in band – marching band, pep band, and jazz band, plus he tutors the band kids at the junior high two days a week. He is an Eagle Scout and a cadet officer in Civil Air Patrol. He is a licensed pilot and certified in SCUBA, and frequently does search and rescue operations utilizing these skills. Needless to say, he is BUSY, and scheduling activities with him takes some effort.

We took trips this fall to visit the colleges he’s interested in attending. Going during the summer wasn’t an option due to other activities my son had planned; he was home for exactly five days over the summer break. I worked hard to organize these trips to miss as little school as possible – usually only a Friday or Monday. However, on two of the trips, our flights were delayed or cancelled due to weather, and he missed an extra day of school. I promptly contacted the school to clear his absences, he made up the work, life went on. He then had to miss a portion of three school days leading up to his pilot’s license oral exam/check ride. I informed the school, and he worked with his teachers. He has missed all or a portion of 9 days of school this year.

This morning I got a call from the county probation officer assigned to the school district, informing me my son is a habitual truant and a hearing will be scheduled with the District Attorney’s office where I can explain why I shouldn’t be fined $500 for my son’s truancy. I am beyond upset – I feel like I’ve failed my kid, after all the work he’s put in to school and other activities, and now he’s been labeled a truant just like some kid ditching class to smoke pot behind the McDonald’s. And I’m pissed at the school district – if he had been on the football team, he would have missed the same number of days of school, but it all would have been excused. Because my son’s activities are not organized by the school, the absences are “unexcused” – it’s as if I never called. And I feel like the school MUST have better things to do than police my child. Trust me, nobody does a better job of that than I do.

Ugh.

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  • Wow, that is just BS.  






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  • Wow, that is horrible. I'm so sorry that you have to deal with this BS.
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  • I agree with Lynda.  That is complete BS!  I thought the only way to be considered a habitual truant was to not have an excuse for the missing of school, meaning no phone call, no note, no nothing.  And your school wouldn't have noted their 'so many absences regardless of excuse or not will equal habitual truancy policy' when you called them to inform them of your son's absences?  I would be fighting this so hard!

  • Absences must be reported to the state, excused or unexcused. I don't think you can fault the school.
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  • edited December 2014
    AddieCake said:
    Absences must be reported to the state, excused or unexcused. I don't think you can fault the school.

    I found this on the district website where I grew up: 

    The Klein ISD Police Department's attendance officers are certified police officers. The attendance officers' primary responsibilities are to enforce Sections 25.093 and 25.094 of the Texas Education Code. Section 25.093 deals with Contributing to Truancy and Section 25.094 deals with Failure to attend school/class. The attendance officers also ensure that all students comply with residency requirements, and that the requirements are current and correct. The Texas State Law (Education Code, Section 25.092), and the school district policy require that a student be in attendance at least 90% of the school session. If he/she continues to be absent, legal action can be taken against the parent or guardian and the student. If a student is absent without an excuse for three or more days or parts of days in a four week period or ten or more days or parts of days in a six month period: a) the student's parent/guardian is subject to prosecution under section 25.093; and b) the student is subject to prosecution under section 25.094. Offenses under these sections are Class "C" Misdemeanors with fines up to $500.00. Each day or part of a day the child is absent or if the child has been ordered to attend school by the juvenile court, may constitute a separate offense for each day or part of a day missed. Every child's school attendance is required. 


     I'm just curious .... Why couldn't your son do his college visits in the summer?
  • I know the absences have to be reported to the state, and I don't fault the school for doing so. But I spent all morning reading the laws pertaining to truancy here in CA, and supposedly the focus is on getting the kid to be successful in school. My son is successful in school - so why am I facing a punitive fine? Report it to the state and be done with it. The probation officer told me it was the school that escalated the situation, not the state.
  • Wow, when I was in school you could have up to 20 absences. Once you missed 20 of one class you failed or got an incomplete. 

    Also, how can your son be a licensed pilot? I'm assuming he's only 16, and  I thought you had to be 18, and go through many years of classes and training in order to obtain your pilot's license. 
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  • AddieCake said:
    Absences must be reported to the state, excused or unexcused. I don't think you can fault the school.

    I found this on the district website where I grew up: 

    The Klein ISD Police Department's attendance officers are certified police officers. The attendance officers' primary responsibilities are to enforce Sections 25.093 and 25.094 of the Texas Education Code. Section 25.093 deals with Contributing to Truancy and Section 25.094 deals with Failure to attend school/class. The attendance officers also ensure that all students comply with residency requirements, and that the requirements are current and correct. The Texas State Law (Education Code, Section 25.092), and the school district policy require that a student be in attendance at least 90% of the school session. If he/she continues to be absent, legal action can be taken against the parent or guardian and the student. If a student is absent without an excuse for three or more days or parts of days in a four week period or ten or more days or parts of days in a six month period: a) the student's parent/guardian is subject to prosecution under section 25.093; and b) the student is subject to prosecution under section 25.094. Offenses under these sections are Class "C" Misdemeanors with fines up to $500.00. Each day or part of a day the child is absent or if the child has been ordered to attend school by the juvenile court, may constitute a separate offense for each day or part of a day missed. Every child's school attendance is required. 


     I'm just curious .... Why couldn't your son do his college visits in the summer?
    I think OP said that going over the summer wasn't an option due to all the other activities he had going on. He was only home for 5 days the entire summer. In terms of college visits, I personally went during the school year. I can't remember exactly what it was like during the summer, but you really get a taste of it while regular school is in session. I went on different visits which included a couple of overnights, a couple of hours, or even getting to sit in on a few classes. College campuses tend to not offer as many classes during the summer and attendance is practically cut in half, so I would think it would be preferable to go during the fall/spring when regular school is in session. I mean if there was no way to go in the fall, then yea you do what you have to, but I think in this situation, summer was not an option anyways.
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  • Also, I think if you go to the hearing and explain the absences, a normal reasonable person would not fine you. 
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  • I know the absences have to be reported to the state, and I don't fault the school for doing so. But I spent all morning reading the laws pertaining to truancy here in CA, and supposedly the focus is on getting the kid to be successful in school. My son is successful in school - so why am I facing a punitive fine? Report it to the state and be done with it. The probation officer told me it was the school that escalated the situation, not the state.
    Did the school ever say anything to the effect "hey your son has been out X days.  If he misses another day of school then he will exceed the number of absences allowed during the school year and you could face punitive fines by the state."

    Now that I have had a moment to think about this I really think there is some blame on both parties faults.  I believe the school should have informed you of when your son was reaching the max absence point.  Also did they inform you that the excuses you provided would result in an unexcused absences?  Did you know the max number of days excused/unexcused that he could miss before getting into trouble?  But I think you as a parent should have stepped up and told your son that he would need to rearrange his summer schedule to fit in college visits.  I understand that he is busy with other activities but some things should trump others and you as the parent need to sometimes make that decision for him.

    In the end though I think you will make a good case for your son at his hearing and if they do fine you then that would just be nuts in my opinion.

  • I know the absences have to be reported to the state, and I don't fault the school for doing so. But I spent all morning reading the laws pertaining to truancy here in CA, and supposedly the focus is on getting the kid to be successful in school. My son is successful in school - so why am I facing a punitive fine? Report it to the state and be done with it. The probation officer told me it was the school that escalated the situation, not the state.
    Then have you called the school to ask why?
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    edited December 2014
    scribe95 said:
    9 days in not even a semester is a lot. I don't care what the reason.

    I know at our school even if there are excuses a kid's GPA gets docked if there are more than 10 absences. School attendance is also counted in various metrics that schools are graded by. 

    I think you should have thought through some of these things - such as missing for a pilot's license? 
    And I just realized the bolded.  For some reason I was thinking this was over the course of a year of school (so 4.5 days a semester) not just in one semester.  Yeah 9 days in one semester is a lot of time to miss.

  • pinkcow13 said:
    AddieCake said:
    Absences must be reported to the state, excused or unexcused. I don't think you can fault the school.

    I found this on the district website where I grew up: 

    The Klein ISD Police Department's attendance officers are certified police officers. The attendance officers' primary responsibilities are to enforce Sections 25.093 and 25.094 of the Texas Education Code. Section 25.093 deals with Contributing to Truancy and Section 25.094 deals with Failure to attend school/class. The attendance officers also ensure that all students comply with residency requirements, and that the requirements are current and correct. The Texas State Law (Education Code, Section 25.092), and the school district policy require that a student be in attendance at least 90% of the school session. If he/she continues to be absent, legal action can be taken against the parent or guardian and the student. If a student is absent without an excuse for three or more days or parts of days in a four week period or ten or more days or parts of days in a six month period: a) the student's parent/guardian is subject to prosecution under section 25.093; and b) the student is subject to prosecution under section 25.094. Offenses under these sections are Class "C" Misdemeanors with fines up to $500.00. Each day or part of a day the child is absent or if the child has been ordered to attend school by the juvenile court, may constitute a separate offense for each day or part of a day missed. Every child's school attendance is required. 


     I'm just curious .... Why couldn't your son do his college visits in the summer?
    I think OP said that going over the summer wasn't an option due to all the other activities he had going on. He was only home for 5 days the entire summer. In terms of college visits, I personally went during the school year. I can't remember exactly what it was like during the summer, but you really get a taste of it while regular school is in session. I went on different visits which included a couple of overnights, a couple of hours, or even getting to sit in on a few classes. College campuses tend to not offer as many classes during the summer and attendance is practically cut in half, so I would think it would be preferable to go during the fall/spring when regular school is in session. I mean if there was no way to go in the fall, then yea you do what you have to, but I think in this situation, summer was not an option anyways.

    I saw that and I agree that its hard to get a "feel" for a college over the summer. But, 5 days home over the whole summer? I'm just curious.
  • AddieCake said:
    Absences must be reported to the state, excused or unexcused. I don't think you can fault the school.

    I found this on the district website where I grew up: 

    The Klein ISD Police Department's attendance officers are certified police officers. The attendance officers' primary responsibilities are to enforce Sections 25.093 and 25.094 of the Texas Education Code. Section 25.093 deals with Contributing to Truancy and Section 25.094 deals with Failure to attend school/class. The attendance officers also ensure that all students comply with residency requirements, and that the requirements are current and correct. The Texas State Law (Education Code, Section 25.092), and the school district policy require that a student be in attendance at least 90% of the school session. If he/she continues to be absent, legal action can be taken against the parent or guardian and the student. If a student is absent without an excuse for three or more days or parts of days in a four week period or ten or more days or parts of days in a six month period: a) the student's parent/guardian is subject to prosecution under section 25.093; and b) the student is subject to prosecution under section 25.094. Offenses under these sections are Class "C" Misdemeanors with fines up to $500.00. Each day or part of a day the child is absent or if the child has been ordered to attend school by the juvenile court, may constitute a separate offense for each day or part of a day missed. Every child's school attendance is required. 


     I'm just curious .... Why couldn't your son do his college visits in the summer?
    I think OP said that going over the summer wasn't an option due to all the other activities he had going on. He was only home for 5 days the entire summer. In terms of college visits, I personally went during the school year. I can't remember exactly what it was like during the summer (in terms of arranging visits), but you really get a taste of it while regular school is in session. I went on different visits which included a couple of overnights, a couple of hours, or even getting to sit in on a few classes. College campuses tend to not offer as many classes during the summer and attendance is practically cut in half, so I would think it would be preferable to go during the fall/spring when regular school is in session. I mean if there was no way to go in the fall, then yea you do what you have to, but I think in this situation, summer was not an option anyways.
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  • Honestly, 9 days is a lot to miss. Also, your son was only home for 5 days over the summer. Assuming he was 16 at the time, that seems like a lot to handle.

     

    I think that going forward, maybe if the large amount of extracurricular activities were cut down a bit, it would benefit the whole absence situation. Just a thought.

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  • Off-topic, but I went to 4th and 5th grade at Haude elementary.  Is that still around?


    But with the additional information I also think 9 days off in less than one semester is a lot.  Couldn't he been able to take is pilot's test during a break or something?  Maybe not, I know my captain's license was only given certain times of year.  I delayed taking the test because it interfered with work.










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  • My parents had to go to truancy court for me once. You could only miss 10 days a semester and one semester I had missed 12, all due to illness. I had a 3.8 GPA, was in NHS, very involved in school, did community service, and was on track to graduate a year early. But the city decided to crack down and my school had to send a report and I was on it.

    We went before the judge, my parents brought a letter from my doctor explaining that I was ill and what was wrong with me and how now I wasn't ill. I had letters from teachers, my boss, and the head of the service organization I was working with to show that I wasn't a problem child. The judge dismissed the whole thing and told me to stay on track and he was glad I was better.

    It was in our school handbook that if you missed more then 10 days (excused or not) you would be reported to the truancy...people and might have to go before a judge and explain the absences. 
  • @lyndausvi, yep! I drive by it every once in a while! They also tore down the old Klein - I don't know if you remember that place.
  • @lyndausvi, yep! I drive by it every once in a while! They also tore down the old Klein - I don't know if you remember that place.
    too funny.  Every friday was Haude day at the local roller skating rink.  Do they even have roller skating rinks anymore.  Man I just aged myself.

    .  I haven't thought of that school in a long time   and yes I remember the old school.  I went to Strack junior high for a few weeks before moving to PA.

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  • Jesus. I was that kid ditching class to smoke pot behind the McDonalds. I had something like 46 absences and nothing even remotely close to that happened to me. 

    That's nuts. 
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    You're one of my online besties, but as a teacher, your 46 absences makes me want to punch you. Haha!
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  • Man, I'm glad I'm not in school now - I skipped probably 25% of my senior year!

    I don't think my parents were even called, because I never got in trouble for it!

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  • AddieCake said:
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    You're one of my online besties, but as a teacher, your 46 absences makes me want to punch you. Haha!


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    LOL I knowwww!! I had a teacher offer me $1 to go to his class every day for a week. I never got that dollar. 
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  • I know it varries by state and district and even school, but when I was in HS (which was only 5 years ago) you were only allowed 3 absences per 9 weeks, so 6 per semester. Even excused absences counted and if you went over the amount you had to appeal it. Usually, it wouldn't be a big deal if you kept record of doctor's notes and parent's notes. 9 days in one semester is lot.

    It sounds like your son is very smart and very active. That's great! but him only being home 5 days all summer seems excessive. Summer break is for a break! Relax and have fun. I feel like some of his activities aren't necessary. If you and he both feel very strongly about continuing said activities, I think it is important that he not miss too much school. It doesn't matter the reason he is out, he is out and missing material. 

    I think you will be fine if you appeal it because they were excused absences.

  • Holy poopsicles! It sounds like they just looked at numbers on a spreadsheet of all the students in the school, and then just contacted everyone based on numbers, not context.
  • My parents had to go to truancy court for me once. You could only miss 10 days a semester and one semester I had missed 12, all due to illness. I had a 3.8 GPA, was in NHS, very involved in school, did community service, and was on track to graduate a year early. But the city decided to crack down and my school had to send a report and I was on it.

    We went before the judge, my parents brought a letter from my doctor explaining that I was ill and what was wrong with me and how now I wasn't ill. I had letters from teachers, my boss, and the head of the service organization I was working with to show that I wasn't a problem child. The judge dismissed the whole thing and told me to stay on track and he was glad I was better.

    It was in our school handbook that if you missed more then 10 days (excused or not) you would be reported to the truancy...people and might have to go before a judge and explain the absences. 
    I would think this is all it would be. It's a formality and you can just state your case.
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