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How would you know your FI isn't the "one"?

Hello all.  I know I haven't posted in these boards yet, I mainly just reply to stuff on other boards.  But right now i'm having issues with the man I'm engaged to, and I don't feel comfortable talking to people close to us because of the sensitivity of the subject.

Long story short, we've been together two years.  In the first half, he was very kind, loving, and everything I would want in a husband. He brought me to his church, which over time we discovered the pastors there were very controlling (tried controlling his bank accounts, gave false words from God etc) and made it hard for us to be together.  We broke away from that place, but during that time my fi became very unstable emotionally due to him being ultra close with the pastors.  We had gotten into minor physical altercations before from the stress of being under such unstable church leadership, but it came to a point where I wanted to leave him after we left the former church for my own safety.  After much pleading on his part, we got back together on the agreement that he would seek help for his anger outbursts. In the past six months that he's been going to counseling his  physical anger has gotten MUCH better.  We then got engaged and things had been great.  But I can't help but get bothered by the constant blaming and walking on eggshells.  He feels since he was the one that gets angry and has harmed me, I should do EVERYTHING in my power to not tick him off,  even at cost of my own emotional stability.  I have to know his exact mood at any given moment before i bring up anything up, and I better deliver the message right or else it's an argument.  I don't feel comfortable bringing up any thoughts, ideas, or feelings because I'm always made out to be wrong.  And when he brings things up I may disagree with or I tell him something he has done wrong, he can never discuss things like an adult.  He flies off the handle, punches things, turns it back around on me for "starting arguments and having anxiety".  I may not be 100% innocent I know.  I have my own issues with depression, taking 21 credit hours in school, being unemployed,  so sometimes I may not always be in the best of moods. But I don't nitpick at him or make him feel low like he does me. 

I guess this last weekend really threw me over the edge.  We got into an argument, and instead of trying to resolve things with me he kicked me out of his home and went to a strip club.  Not only did he go, but he lied to me about it which in my opinion is worse.  His only excuse being he wanted to be "delusional" and do something crazy for once.  This is the first time he has EVER done anything like this.  It took me a long time to be able to trust him 100% (i was hurt many times in the past from previous guys so me trusting anyone is HUGE) and it set me back a few steps.   He then refused to even call me the next day, because he "had never been in that type of situation and didn't know what to say".  No sincere apology, nothing.  He took me out to eat later in the week and then blamed me for him not apologizing because I was so mad and he couldn't confront me.  Seriously? smh.  He went on to tell me that "Love isn't based on trust, but on unconditional love" and that it was wrong for me to be upset because my trust being broken.  Maybe it would be easier to base it off of love if all the other crap didn't come along with love.

We're in counseling now as well, but since he's a greater debator than I am, I'm made to look like someone with anxiety and now the counselor  wants me to get on medication.  I don't know if it's medication I need or a long break away from this madness.

And no, this is not mud.  I'm really looking for an outside perspective, relatives are mostly biased and I'd prefer not to tarnish his name to our  friends.
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Re: How would you know your FI isn't the "one"?

  • Put it this way.  If your sister or best friend came to you and said their FI was manipulative, they had "minor physical altercations", she felt that she was walking on eggshells and couldn't trust him to be honest with her, would you tell her to stay or go?
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  • teamc2016 said:
    Hello all.  I know I haven't posted in these boards yet, I mainly just reply to stuff on other boards.  But right now i'm having issues with the man I'm engaged to, and I don't feel comfortable talking to people close to us because of the sensitivity of the subject.

    Long story short, we've been together two years.  In the first half, he was very kind, loving, and everything I would want in a husband. He brought me to his church, which over time we discovered the pastors there were very controlling (tried controlling his bank accounts, gave false words from God etc) and made it hard for us to be together.  We broke away from that place, but during that time my fi became very unstable emotionally due to him being ultra close with the pastors.  We had gotten into minor physical altercations before from the stress of being under such unstable church leadership, but it came to a point where I wanted to leave him after we left the former church for my own safety.  After much pleading on his part, we got back together on the agreement that he would seek help for his anger outbursts. In the past six months that he's been going to counseling his  physical anger has gotten MUCH better.  We then got engaged and things had been great.  But I can't help but get bothered by the constant blaming and walking on eggshells.  He feels since he was the one that gets angry and has harmed me, I should do EVERYTHING in my power to not tick him off,  even at cost of my own emotional stability.  I have to know his exact mood at any given moment before i bring up anything up, and I better deliver the message right or else it's an argument.  I don't feel comfortable bringing up any thoughts, ideas, or feelings because I'm always made out to be wrong.  And when he brings things up I may disagree with or I tell him something he has done wrong, he can never discuss things like an adult.  He flies off the handle, punches things, turns it back around on me for "starting arguments and having anxiety".  I may not be 100% innocent I know.  I have my own issues with depression, taking 21 credit hours in school, being unemployed,  so sometimes I may not always be in the best of moods. But I don't nitpick at him or make him feel low like he does me. 

    I guess this last weekend really threw me over the edge.  We got into an argument, and instead of trying to resolve things with me he kicked me out of his home and went to a strip club.  Not only did he go, but he lied to me about it which in my opinion is worse.  His only excuse being he wanted to be "delusional" and do something crazy for once.  This is the first time he has EVER done anything like this.  It took me a long time to be able to trust him 100% (i was hurt many times in the past from previous guys so me trusting anyone is HUGE) and it set me back a few steps.   He then refused to even call me the next day, because he "had never been in that type of situation and didn't know what to say".  No sincere apology, nothing.  He took me out to eat later in the week and then blamed me for him not apologizing because I was so mad and he couldn't confront me.  Seriously? smh.  He went on to tell me that "Love isn't based on trust, but on unconditional love" and that it was wrong for me to be upset because my trust being broken.  Maybe it would be easier to base it off of love if all the other crap didn't come along with love.

    We're in counseling now as well, but since he's a greater debator than I am, I'm made to look like someone with anxiety and now the counselor  wants me to get on medication.  I don't know if it's medication I need or a long break away from this madness.

    And no, this is not mud.  I'm really looking for an outside perspective, relatives are mostly biased and I'd prefer not to tarnish his name to our  friends.
    If a man  I was with did any of the things above in yellow, I'd know he's not the one.
  • I think just by posting "how do you know your FI isn't the one" is the answer to your question...  you already KNOW, girl.

    Please get out.  Now.

    Sending good, strong vibes your way...  
  • ShellD13ShellD13 member
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    edited December 2014
    Can you get yourself to a counselor on your own?  I'd highly recommend it even if you do decide to continue seeing the counselor that you are currently seeing with him.

    I was in a very controlling relationship in my early 20's and while my FI at the time wasn't this bad he definitely controlled me through guilt and manipulation which sounds like what is happening here...  I can't tell you what is right for you or your relationship but I can say that it doesn't sound healthy as it is right now.

    ETA: I did end up breaking off that relationship (6 months before the wedding date) and taking the time to get my own issues worked out.  It took awhile, but I met H 4 years ago and I can tell you from personal experience it was a night/day difference in my experience.  I never doubted that H was the right guy.   
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  • Did you say physical altercations?

    NO.  No one deserves that.  EVER.  He sounds manipulative and quite frankly scary.

    Are you in counseling on your own?  I highly suggest you start if you aren't because this sounds like a very scary situation to me, especially if he's manipulating a counselor.  

    Do you really want to spend the rest of your life with someone like this?
    I feel like I'm in a movie....swear
    Everyone sees him as this GREAT man.  HE goes to church, has a good job, nice car, a teacher and is great with kids.  He used to be a preacher (Which speaks VOLUMES on the church we were at since they didnt dig deep enough to see who he really was before letting him preach) and he is quite handsome and well dressed.  Yet, he does all this bull crap and I'm made to look like the woman who "can't handle his awesomeness".  His mother and sister knew of the abuse, but told me i was wrong for setting him off smh.  I'm really angry about this whole thing, and although he is great and wants to change I just don't know how much more I can take now.

    I'm not in individual counseling.  I JUST got health insurance through the state since I'm unemployed and they were pushing the idea of anxiety meds on me.  I'll definately start.
  • teamc2016 said:
    Hello all.  I know I haven't posted in these boards yet, I mainly just reply to stuff on other boards.  But right now i'm having issues with the man I'm engaged to, and I don't feel comfortable talking to people close to us because of the sensitivity of the subject.

    Long story short, we've been together two years.  In the first half, he was very kind, loving, and everything I would want in a husband. He brought me to his church, which over time we discovered the pastors there were very controlling (tried controlling his bank accounts, gave false words from God etc) and made it hard for us to be together.  We broke away from that place, but during that time my fi became very unstable emotionally due to him being ultra close with the pastors.  We had gotten into minor physical altercations before from the stress of being under such unstable church leadership, but it came to a point where I wanted to leave him after we left the former church for my own safety.  After much pleading on his part, we got back together on the agreement that he would seek help for his anger outbursts. In the past six months that he's been going to counseling his  physical anger has gotten MUCH better.  We then got engaged and things had been great.  But I can't help but get bothered by the constant blaming and walking on eggshells.  He feels since he was the one that gets angry and has harmed me, I should do EVERYTHING in my power to not tick him off,  even at cost of my own emotional stability.  I have to know his exact mood at any given moment before i bring up anything up, and I better deliver the message right or else it's an argument.  I don't feel comfortable bringing up any thoughts, ideas, or feelings because I'm always made out to be wrong.  And when he brings things up I may disagree with or I tell him something he has done wrong, he can never discuss things like an adult.  He flies off the handle, punches things, turns it back around on me for "starting arguments and having anxiety".  I may not be 100% innocent I know.  I have my own issues with depression, taking 21 credit hours in school, being unemployed,  so sometimes I may not always be in the best of moods. But I don't nitpick at him or make him feel low like he does me. 

    I guess this last weekend really threw me over the edge.  We got into an argument, and instead of trying to resolve things with me he kicked me out of his home and went to a strip club.  Not only did he go, but he lied to me about it which in my opinion is worse.  His only excuse being he wanted to be "delusional" and do something crazy for once.  This is the first time he has EVER done anything like this.  It took me a long time to be able to trust him 100% (i was hurt many times in the past from previous guys so me trusting anyone is HUGE) and it set me back a few steps.   He then refused to even call me the next day, because he "had never been in that type of situation and didn't know what to say".  No sincere apology, nothing.  He took me out to eat later in the week and then blamed me for him not apologizing because I was so mad and he couldn't confront me.  Seriously? smh.  He went on to tell me that "Love isn't based on trust, but on unconditional love" and that it was wrong for me to be upset because my trust being broken.  Maybe it would be easier to base it off of love if all the other crap didn't come along with love.

    We're in counseling now as well, but since he's a greater debator than I am, I'm made to look like someone with anxiety and now the counselor  wants me to get on medication.  I don't know if it's medication I need or a long break away from this madness.

    And no, this is not mud.  I'm really looking for an outside perspective, relatives are mostly biased and I'd prefer not to tarnish his name to our  friends.
    Ok. so everything I bolded is stuff I see as serious red flags, especially the thing I highlighted. The fact that he has physically harmed you is obviously a HUGE and scary red flag, but I'm glad he's at least getting mental help. 

    Let me just make this very clear: You deserve to be respected, you deserve to feel safe, and you deserve to be loved in a safe, honest, respectful, sane way. 

    All those red flags can be total hallmarks of an abusive relationship. I was in a physically and emotionally abusive relationship for years, and I'm not being metaphorical when I say I hardly made it out alive. 

    Do not make any wedding plans right now. Find a better couples counselor who isn't gonna turn the blame on you and try to medicate you just cuz they can't do their job right. If the counseling isn't helping you progress or you don't see this getting better, or (especially) if you don't feel safe, get away from him. Get far far away and never look back. To me, this sounds like a really bad situation. I'm genuinely sorry that you have to go through this, and I'm so sad for you because I remember how bad it feels to have everything turned back on you, especially the abuse. Him getting mad and reacting like a fucking psycho IS NOT YOUR FAULT. It's his fault. If he can't be held accountable, he won't be able to improve himself. 
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  • Oh and another part to this:

    I've never once questioned whether my FI was the person I wanted to marry.  If you have to come online and ask a group of strangers this question, you know what the answer is.
    Totally agree. 

    From day one, my husband made me feel safe, loved and protected. He would never raise a hand to me. He has always treated me with respect. You are not getting any of this from this man. And he's physically and mentally abusive. You need to leave him. 
  • pinkcow13pinkcow13 member
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    You need to leave him. He is manipulative, controlling, and an abuser. Not to mention disrespectful. You deserve so much better, please leave him asap.
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  • The moment a person lays a hand on you out of anger you need to leave.

    He may not be physically abusing anymore but he has manipulated you into thinking this is somehow your fault. That is emotional abuse.

    Honey, you need to get away from this man and to a safe place. No woman, or anyone, deserves this treatment.

  • edited December 2014
    Agree with PPs. He's had his chance. You've been in counseling and while he might not be currently hitting you, he appears to be extremely emotionally abusive and manipulative. I'm not one to jump on the "GTFO now" train, but I'll conduct that shit. 

    No one should EVER live in fear. Fear of being physically abused or fear of expressing your own emotions. 

    You can and will find someone who not only allows you to feel feelings, but wants you to express them and accepts them.  
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  • Oh and another part to this:

    I've never once questioned whether my FI was the person I wanted to marry.  If you have to come online and ask a group of strangers this question, you know what the answer is.
    So much this. My ex was a great guy, he never did anything wrong yet I debated for months whether to leave him and move back across the country or to stay in a city I hated but be with him. I agonized over it and then realized if he was the one it would not be agonizing, it would be obvious. So I peaced the fuck out and never looked back.

                                                                     

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  • I agree with EVERYTHING said by PPs. There is no such thing as a "minor physical altercation", IMO. Somebody gets physical with me, they are gone! No second chances. He's not a "master debater" he's a "master manipulator." He will get worse, not better, especially because he is clearly not owning up to his own behaviors. No matter how incendiary your actions may be (which it doesn't sound like they are), he and he alone is responsible for his reactions. He can't blame you for his anger, getting physical, yelling, etc.
    It sounds like you both need counseling, separately. You both need to work on yourselves, separately. You need to get as far away from him as possible so you can grow in healthy ways. Stop being so hard on yourself - he's already doing that for you.
    Also, his unconditional love thing.... that doesn't mean you need to stick around and be his emotional and literal punching bag. You can love somebody and also do what is right for both of you by walking away and seeking help. There are many different types of love. Love for family, love for friends, love for a romantic partner, love for animals, love for God, etc etc etc. Showing love for somebody is often times doing what is hard but what is right for that person and for yourself. Please get out of this abusive relationship before it gets worse.
  • teamc2016 said:



    Did you say physical altercations?

    NO.  No one deserves that.  EVER.  He sounds manipulative and quite frankly scary.

    Are you in counseling on your own?  I highly suggest you start if you aren't because this sounds like a very scary situation to me, especially if he's manipulating a counselor.  

    Do you really want to spend the rest of your life with someone like this?

    I feel like I'm in a movie....swear
    Everyone sees him as this GREAT man.  HE goes to church, has a good job, nice car, a teacher and is great with kids.  He used to be a preacher (Which speaks VOLUMES on the church we were at since they didnt dig deep enough to see who he really was before letting him preach) and he is quite handsome and well dressed.  Yet, he does all this bull crap and I'm made to look like the woman who "can't handle his awesomeness".  His mother and sister knew of the abuse, but told me i was wrong for setting him off smh.  I'm really angry about this whole thing, and although he is great and wants to change I just don't know how much more I can take now.

    I'm not in individual counseling.  I JUST got health insurance through the state since I'm unemployed and they were pushing the idea of anxiety meds on me.  I'll definately start.


    Fucking run.

    He won't change.
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  • larrygagalarrygaga member
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    edited December 2014
    Just because you are in love doesn't mean you should stay. You can be in love with someone who hurts you. You can also not be in love with someone who treats you perfectly. Love does not always mean you should marry. You could break up with him and still love him forever. 

    It says a lot that you questioned it. You gave him a second chance, do you want to give him a third? That is your choice. 
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  • I'm sorry you're going through all this with your FI. No one deserves to be in a relationship that is physically or psychologically abusive (and it sounds like this is what you have). You deserve better than this. You should not have to walk on eggshells and you absolutely should never have to fear a physical altercation. I think it's pretty clear that this man is not "the one" and I think you know it, too, which is why you're asking. May I ask you, why is it that you have stayed with him this long?
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  • This guys sounds like an abusive sack of shit. Time to move on with life, and get a new counselor too!

    If your FI intimidates you and is verbally abusive and pushy during your counseling sessions, go to a session by yourself so you can be heard and not overruled.
  • I didn't even read the whole thing and I know for a fact that you need to GTHO of that relationship STAT.
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  • teamc2016 said:
    Did you say physical altercations?

    NO.  No one deserves that.  EVER.  He sounds manipulative and quite frankly scary.

    Are you in counseling on your own?  I highly suggest you start if you aren't because this sounds like a very scary situation to me, especially if he's manipulating a counselor.  

    Do you really want to spend the rest of your life with someone like this?
    I feel like I'm in a movie....swear
    Everyone sees him as this GREAT man.  HE goes to church, has a good job, nice car, a teacher and is great with kids.  He used to be a preacher (Which speaks VOLUMES on the church we were at since they didnt dig deep enough to see who he really was before letting him preach) and he is quite handsome and well dressed.  Yet, he does all this bull crap and I'm made to look like the woman who "can't handle his awesomeness".  His mother and sister knew of the abuse, but told me i was wrong for setting him off smh.  I'm really angry about this whole thing, and although he is great and wants to change I just don't know how much more I can take now.

    I'm not in individual counseling.  I JUST got health insurance through the state since I'm unemployed and they were pushing the idea of anxiety meds on me.  I'll definately start.
    I get it.  I have a friend who is going through a divorce right now with a guy who is also involved in church leadership.  Hell - I'm Catholic - I know what it's like to put someone on a pedastal because he is involved in church, and then get let down  

    You say he wants to change - that's great!  I would just suggest separating from him while he goes through this change.  You deserve to be with someone who will not physically and emotionally harm  him.
  • teamc2016 said:
     
    I feel like I'm in a movie....swear
    Everyone sees him as this GREAT man.  HE goes to church, has a good job, nice car, a teacher and is great with kids.  He used to be a preacher (Which speaks VOLUMES on the church we were at since they didnt dig deep enough to see who he really was before letting him preach) and he is quite handsome and well dressed.  Yet, he does all this bull crap and I'm made to look like the woman who "can't handle his awesomeness".  His mother and sister knew of the abuse, but told me i was wrong for setting him off smh.  I'm really angry about this whole thing, and although he is great and wants to change I just don't know how much more I can take now.

    I'm not in individual counseling.  I JUST got health insurance through the state since I'm unemployed and they were pushing the idea of anxiety meds on me.  I'll definately start.
    Dude none of those qualities matter. I was with a handsome man who made 100k a year and had a sports car and everyone loved him. It didn't make up for me being a prisoner in his house, not allowed to have friends, and having bruises all over my arms. Get the hell outta dodge and find someone who offers you the REAL things like security, compassion, trust.

                                                                     

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  • His mother and sister are wrong, and are trying to defend his reprehnsible actions. 

    He will not change.  
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