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FI has a situation

His best man is a dick. He asked me to post about it (his exacts words were "you should post it on the knot and see what all your wise ladies say about it").

This will be a long one cuz I feel like there's a lot of history and bullshit involved so TLDR: Best man is being extremely difficult and refusing to get a suit. What would you do about that?

So "Brad" has known FI since they were little kids. They were college roommates and everything. Their parents are good friends. That's why FI decided to ask Brad to be his best man. Brad has always had a personality where he's kind of a surly asshole and he likes to be difficult, but it has gotten much worse over time (like in general, not wedding related).

Several months ago, FI decided he wanted all the guys to wear gray suits. The particular shade doesn't matter, so they can rent or buy from any place that they can find the best price. Brad immediately starts bitching at me saying he won't wear gray because he doesn't own a gray suit already. Well, he doesn't own any suit at all already, and I'm sure when he said yes to being in a wedding he realized he would have to wear SOMETHING. Whatever, just typical Brad being difficult.

One of the guys bought a gray suit at Kohl's (3-piece and it looks really nice on him) for $125 and told the other guys. In the mean time, FI and I went to a local shop and the owner told us our guys could rent a full suit for $115 or buy a full suit for $175, and their suits are really nice. That's where FI is gonna buy his. We tell Brad. Brad gets pissed because he doesn't want to drive to our city to get a suit (never mind that FI drives down to visit Brad all the time since that's the only time they ever see each other). We talk to the suit shop again and the owner assures us that Brad can order over the phone and have the suit shipped to him, and owner will set Brad up with one of his many liaison stores so he can get it custom tailored in his city. Brad will not.

This morning I get a text from Brad bitching at me that to buy a gray suit is going to cost him "over $400." Immediately following this is a second text that simply says "I can't rent a suit." K? 10 minutes before this, his crazypants evil fiance (seriously, this girl is the anti-Christ) facebooks me and ALSO texts me, asking what color shoes he should wear. Um... what? I tell her he can wear any shoes he wants. I ask him why he can't rent and he does not answer me. I then text him again and say "You can buy a suit from the store here for $175 and they'll send it to so you won't have to drive here." No reply. I never heard back from either of them.

Mind you, even if he doesn't want to get one from the store here, gray suits are very common and he can definitely find one for less than $400. 

And Brad never tried to contact FI about this. The suits were FI's decision, he's in charge of the guys' attire, because it's his wedding too, but Brad is constantly coming to me to bitch about it and will not communicate with FI. I don't get it.

We drove down for Brad's birthday about a month ago, at which point Brad was a total dick to FI and me, and his girlfriend was her usual awful self. We decided then that we would likely never take the time to go visit them ever again. FI also confided that he wishes he had never asked Brad to be best man at all. FI thought they were best friends, but Brad has become more and more of an asshole and now he suddenly realizes that there's basically no friendship there anymore.

Doesn't help that none of the other groomsmen like Brad and that FI's parents do not like Brad at all, and think he treats FI like crap. They think he should never have been asked to be FI's best man (I agree, but I stayed out of it because it's FI's choice). Now that Brad is engaged to crazy chick, we found out that Brad is not including FI in his wedding party at all. FI didn't mention it to him because it's Brad's wedding and Brad's choice, but he was really hurt. He said "I thought we were best friends, so much so that I wanted him to be my best man. Since I asked him, though, I feel like he has totally dropped out of my life. And now I find out he doesn't even care enough about me to include me in his wedding at all. He's free to do whatever he wants, but it kind of says how he feels about me as a friend, and it sucks." I just let FI vent and didn't say much, since I didn't think it would help to express how much I do not like Brad. But I was heart-broken to hear how hurt FI was.

And now that Brad is being such a dick about a stupid suit, I'm tempted to just say "Wear the stupid suit or don't be in the wedding. It's pretty fucking simple." When he said yes to being in it, he knew he'd have to wear a suit or tux. So what the fuck is the problem? Ugh. I'm so frustrated. FI told me not to worry about it because he's going to deal with it since it's his friend, and he's annoyed that Brad didn't just come to him in the first place and put it on me instead.

What would you do if you were FI?
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  • I just feel bad that FI is even in this situation :( He's such a sweet guy, and he's so nice to his friends. His other friends (and the other groomsmen) are awesome.

    This guy being an asshole to him just makes me ragey.
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  • Punch him in the nuts. (Kidding. Mostly.) Or. Have FI say, "Dude, Brad. Get a suit and stand with me, or don't, and don't stand with me. I don't care anymore." If Brad texts you again, tell him to talk to your FI; that he's in charge of his groomsmen and you haven't got anything to do with it. Or you know. Option one is good too. Gets your point across.
    I actually really like option 1 :P
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  • I'd have your FI say straight up if you don't get a grey suit of your own choice I will take it as a sign that you no longer want to be in our bridal party. I hope you and your bitch FI can still attend as guests (maybe don't include the bitch part :P)

    Holy ridiculous complaining for the BM... you are giving him some pretty good options!
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  • That sounds like a crazy situation. The first thing I want to address is that wedding parties are not tit for tat. It was a dick move on the best mans part to not invite your FI to be in his wedding, but maybe it's a good thing due to the Brad's shitty behavior.


    I thought that the only requirement of the wedding party is to show up, on time, somewhat sober in the chosen attire. If memory serves me correctly, doesnt a person forefit their position in the wedding party if they are unable to perform the tasks above, and become a guest on the wedding day (I could be 100% wrong so please don't quote me on this)?

    You know that if your FI demotes or fires Brad from being the best man, it's a friendship ending move.
    That being said, you've been more than acommodating to Brad. You've given him options, you've found ways to cut the costs for him, and he contines to be difficult. I think that you've done enough on your part. Brad is a grown ass man and he should be able to order a suit. Leave the number of the suit shop with Brad, and tell him that the suit needs to be ordered by x date. If its important to him, he'll order it.

    Over all, your FI needs to have a conversation with Brad. I would have your FI leave Brad's wedding party out of it. I would just focus your wedding and the fact that Brad doesn't want to get a suit. If the statement above re duties of the wedding party are true, have him bring that up as well.

    I'm sorry that his best man is acting like an asshole.
  • That sounds like a crazy situation. The first thing I want to address is that wedding parties are not tit for tat. It was a dick move on the best mans part to not invite your FI to be in his wedding, but maybe it's a good thing due to the Brad's shitty behavior. I thought that the only requirement of the wedding party is to show up, on time, somewhat sober in the chosen attire. If memory serves me correctly, doesnt a person forefit their position in the wedding party if they are unable to perform the tasks above, and become a guest on the wedding day (I could be 100% wrong so please don't quote me on this)? You know that if your FI demotes or fires Brad from being the best man, it's a friendship ending move. That being said, you've been more than acommodating to Brad. You've given him options, you've found ways to cut the costs for him, and he contines to be difficult. I think that you've done enough on your part. Brad is a grown ass man and he should be able to order a suit. Leave the number of the suit shop with Brad, and tell him that the suit needs to be ordered by x date. If its important to him, he'll order it. Over all, your FI needs to have a conversation with Brad. I would have your FI leave Brad's wedding party out of it. I would just focus your wedding and the fact that Brad doesn't want to get a suit. If the statement above re duties of the wedding party are true, have him bring that up as well. I'm sorry that his best man is acting like an asshole.
    The first bolded-- FI knows this, which is why he didn't get mad at him or bring it up to him at all. But it still made him feel bad, because he felt like it was a pretty clear message of how much he means to Brad, ya know?

    Second bolded, I don't think FI is considering demoting him or kicking him out. But I also know he doesn't feel like there's any friendship left between them, so he probably wouldn't be opposed to committing a friendship-ending move if it came down to it, cuz there's really nothing left to lose.

    And I do believe you are correct, if a WP member fails to show up on time in the right attire then they have removed themselves.

    I think FI just doesn't know how to deal with this. I don't know. I'll give him the advice you ladies have offered, though. Thank you for that!
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  • My FI was a groomsman in a wedding where one of the other groomsman was being a dick in a very similar way. That groomsman got replaced with a different friend and the wedding turned out great. I think your FI should do the same thing, Brad only has himself to blame. 
  • My FI was a groomsman in a wedding where one of the other groomsman was being a dick in a very similar way. That groomsman got replaced with a different friend and the wedding turned out great. I think your FI should do the same thing, Brad only has himself to blame. 

    He can be removed but shouldn't be replaced. To say to another friend hey, you weren't included in the bridal party but now will you fill this spot always feels like B listing to me.
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  • esstee33esstee33 member
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    My FI was a groomsman in a wedding where one of the other groomsman was being a dick in a very similar way. That groomsman got replaced with a different friend and the wedding turned out great. I think your FI should do the same thing, Brad only has himself to blame. 
    No. Even if Brad drops out or her FI decides to end the friendship and remove him from the wedding party, you don't ever replace people in your wedding party. What does that tell your friends about how much they mean to you if you'll just fill their slot with any other warm body? 
  • esstee33 said:
    My FI was a groomsman in a wedding where one of the other groomsman was being a dick in a very similar way. That groomsman got replaced with a different friend and the wedding turned out great. I think your FI should do the same thing, Brad only has himself to blame. 
    No. Even if Brad drops out or her FI decides to end the friendship and remove him from the wedding party, you don't ever replace people in your wedding party. What does that tell your friends about how much they mean to you if you'll just fill their slot with any other warm body? 
    I can see your point. That probably would have been a better way for my FI's friend to deal with it, but I don't know if that would work for the OP, since her FI probably doesn't want to have no best man at all. 
  • esstee33 said:
    My FI was a groomsman in a wedding where one of the other groomsman was being a dick in a very similar way. That groomsman got replaced with a different friend and the wedding turned out great. I think your FI should do the same thing, Brad only has himself to blame. 
    No. Even if Brad drops out or her FI decides to end the friendship and remove him from the wedding party, you don't ever replace people in your wedding party. What does that tell your friends about how much they mean to you if you'll just fill their slot with any other warm body? 
    I can see your point. That probably would have been a better way for my FI's friend to deal with it, but I don't know if that would work for the OP, since her FI probably doesn't want to have no best man at all. 

    Why not? I had no maid of honor.
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  • esstee33 said:
    My FI was a groomsman in a wedding where one of the other groomsman was being a dick in a very similar way. That groomsman got replaced with a different friend and the wedding turned out great. I think your FI should do the same thing, Brad only has himself to blame. 
    No. Even if Brad drops out or her FI decides to end the friendship and remove him from the wedding party, you don't ever replace people in your wedding party. What does that tell your friends about how much they mean to you if you'll just fill their slot with any other warm body? 
    I can see your point. That probably would have been a better way for my FI's friend to deal with it, but I don't know if that would work for the OP, since her FI probably doesn't want to have no best man at all. 
    I am planing having 4 bridesmaids and no MOH. I am 100% comfortable with this decision as of now.
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  • bride2b71614bride2b71614 member
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    edited February 2015
    @novella1186‌ my bad for misreading! I think that if he feels like there is not much of a friendship with Brad, your FI could just give him the name and number of the store. Tell Brad that the suit must be ordered by x date if not he's out. Leave it at that.

    I hope your FI doesn't continue to let Brad get him down. It sucks that relationships change over time especially when you want the other person to come through on something important to you. Either way Brad sounds like a jackass, and not worth his time.
  • beethery said:
    Brad's options are to suit up or shut up. You know this.
    This is my favorite phrasing for the solution. I just told FI to tell Brad this, and he laughed.
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  • Yup. He doesn't pony up the appropriate attire, he has removed himself from the wedding.

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  • Agree with what everyone else has said about get a suit or he's out of the wedding- tbh it seems like he's looking for an out anyway.  It's sad but he obviously doesn't feel the same about your FI as your FI felt about him when he asked him, and the fact that he isn't asking your FI to be in his wedding at all further indicates to me he probably just wants out.  I would say if you FI has any desire to try to salvage the friendship maybe consider offering to cover the suit rental for him- but it sounds like this guy isn't worth it so maybe just leave it up to him.  

    What I think is of equal importance is you need to remove yourself from this situation ASAP.  I don't know why he's texting you about this stuff but I'd put my foot down if I were you and if he ever tries to bitch to you anymore just say "Take it up with FI".  It's his friend and he needs to deal with him- it seems like having you in the mix is just confusing the lines of communication and stressing you out.  
  • POD with above comments.

    Additionally, Brad is being the Queen of Passive Agressiva by coming to you instead of your FI to discuss this. The nut nut Brad is marrying should also not be bugging you about this.

    I honestly get the feeling Brad is bugging you in order to get you to blow up at him and your FI, thereby allowing him to say to himself and his nut nut bride to be "well, novella was such a bitch, she doesn't understand that we have expenses/lives/other priorities, so screw them, it's their fault I didn't get a suit/novella's fault I'm out of the party waaah waaah waah."

    Your FI needs to be the one to talk to Brad and say "I don't care what shade of grey it is; we established this at the get go. Get one that fits your budget, as long as its grey. Stop bothering Novella about this, we are grown men and can discuss whether you are able to get your suit in time between us."

    If Brad makes some sort of comment/snide remark asking what would happen if he DIDN'T get the suit, FI says "well Brad, we've known each other a long time, it was really important to me to have you standing there with me....but I guess if you can't get your suit, we'll see you at the reception. Hope you guys can make it."

    Evil Chipmunk wants to chime in and suggest that Brad has the Sceptre for the Queen of Passive Agressiva shoved somewhere up his ass...and if he doesn't have it yet, he should have it inserted soon.
    The bolded is definitely a real possibility. I do feel like something else is going on that's causing him to come to me about stuff. FI's theory is that Brad's crazy fiance has taken it upon herself to pick his suit and shoes, and she loves spending his money (last time we were all together she kept bragging to me that she took his CC without him knowing and spent hundreds of dollars online shopping, then lied to him about it, and she thought this was hilarious), so she has chosen the suit that's "over $400."

    Brad is now mad about this, but doesn't have the balls to stand up to her, so he's projecting his anger at her onto me, and running to me saying that a $400 suit is ridiculous and he's pissed that he has to buy it.

    Well yes, I agree that it's ridiculous. Which is why I kept telling him about all the less expensive options. If FI's theory is not what's going on, I bet your theory is right on target.
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  • Agree with what everyone else has said about get a suit or he's out of the wedding- tbh it seems like he's looking for an out anyway.  It's sad but he obviously doesn't feel the same about your FI as your FI felt about him when he asked him, and the fact that he isn't asking your FI to be in his wedding at all further indicates to me he probably just wants out.  I would say if you FI has any desire to try to salvage the friendship maybe consider offering to cover the suit rental for him- but it sounds like this guy isn't worth it so maybe just leave it up to him.  

    What I think is of equal importance is you need to remove yourself from this situation ASAP.  I don't know why he's texting you about this stuff but I'd put my foot down if I were you and if he ever tries to bitch to you anymore just say "Take it up with FI".  It's his friend and he needs to deal with him- it seems like having you in the mix is just confusing the lines of communication and stressing you out.  
    You're 100% right about that. Brad ended up texting me this evening asking me how to get a suit from the local place (even though I've told him in detail about 7 times) so I texted him back and just said "I'll have FI call you." And then I told FI to call him.

    It's just weird. If one of my BMs was going to my FI about her dress instead of talking to me, I'd be like "WTF? We're best friends, talk to me!" But whatever.
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  • I am curious about what Brad is planning to wear, since he is finding it so impossible to navigate a grey suit. There are Fifty Shades of Grey, after all (someone had to say it). That leads me to believe he wants to be released from the Best Man role, and doesn't have the guts to say it.

    If either Brad or his FI text or call you again, say "This is something you will have to discuss with my FI" and nothing more.

    You are probably getting used to the idea that Brad may not be best man, maybe not even a guest.


  • ChemFanatic25ChemFanatic25 member
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    edited February 2015
    Honestly, so theknot says to never kick someone out of the wedding party unless you basically want to ruin a friendship, right? It really sounds like Brad doesn't even want to be your FI's friend. He sounds absolutely terrible. I'd ask him to drop out. Possibly un-invite him to the wedding. It burns the bridge between you and him but while that sucks it sounds like being around him is absolutely toxic. Why would you and your FI want that in your life anyway? You stated in your OP that you and your FI don't ever plan on visiting him again.

    Edit: Oh and obviously don't replace him. It's not necessary. 
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  • danamw said:

    I am curious about what Brad is planning to wear, since he is finding it so impossible to navigate a grey suit. There are Fifty Shades of Grey, after all (someone had to say it). That leads me to believe he wants to be released from the Best Man role, and doesn't have the guts to say it.

    If either Brad or his FI text or call you again, say "This is something you will have to discuss with my FI" and nothing more.

    You are probably getting used to the idea that Brad may not be best man, maybe not even a guest.


    It honestly would not make me the tiniest bit sad if he wasn't there. In fact, I don't think I'd even notice. Kind of like my sister not being there. The less negative people are around, the better IMO.
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  • rcher912rcher912 member
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    edited February 2015
    Fuck him.

    Dude, seriously. There is no reason to have this absurdity around you guys right now. If he can't figure out how to find a gray suit (when you already stated another GM found a great one at Kohl's) - I just can't even with people like that.

    And even if he does manage to locate a reasonably-priced gray suit, this is the kind of bullshit I don't want to be hearing about on my wedding day, which will probably happen to your poor FI.

    Sounds like the friendship is over anyway, and both parties are coming to that realization. It sucks, but I'd remove his toxic butt.


    ETA: SERIOUSLY, ANY GRAY SUIT. I'm just so annoyed/ragey over this. It's not like you were like "OMG, it MUST be gunmetal gray!" or something crazy or specific. A gray suit!!!! Any gray suit!!! I can't believe it.
  • rcher912 said:
    Fuck him.

    Dude, seriously. There is no reason to have this absurdity around you guys right now. If he can't figure out how to find a gray suit (when you already stated another GM found a great one at Kohl's) - I just can't even with people like that.

    And even if he does manage to locate a reasonably-priced gray suit, this is the kind of bullshit I don't want to be hearing about on my wedding day, which will probably happen to your poor FI.

    Sounds like the friendship is over anyway, and both parties are coming to that realization. It sucks, but I'd remove his toxic butt.


    ETA: SERIOUSLY, ANY GRAY SUIT. I'm just so annoyed/ragey over this. It's not like you were like "OMG, it MUST be gunmetal gray!" or something crazy or specific. A gray suit!!!! Any gray suit!!! I can't believe it.
    Lol yeah that's what kind of gets me too. It's like, I couldn't really have made it any easier, I thought. Other than saying "just wear jeans or whatever the fuck you feel like wearing"
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