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UPDATE: Let's talk about what a GIANT idiot I am.

edited March 2015 in Chit Chat
You guys. I can't even with myself. I was so stupid I don't feel like I even deserve/am responsible enough to use technology anymore. This is going to be a long one. I don’t blame you for not reading the entire thing.

TL;DR: I’m an idiot that gave my most sacred personal information out to a company that probably is not real.

Here’s what happened. My mom told me about this student loan forgiveness/consolidation program so I researched it. I found a website that seemed legit and entered my phone number to get more info.

Within a few days, I started getting random phone calls from places all over the country (iPhones show the area the number is from). I let most of them go to voicemail because I don't like to answer numbers I don't know, and none would leave a message. After several calls I started calling back and a student loan agency would answer so I knew it was from the website. I started losing interest because it just seemed less legit as time went on.

I got a call on Friday from another unknown number from a random city in Alabama (the state I live in) and I answered because I've been applying to a ton of jobs lately and would like to get some calls from them. Alas, the caller is from a student loan consolidation company. I listen to the lady's spiel because I cannot be mean to them. It’s not in me to be rude. So I listen, and she transfers me over to a loan ‘counselor.’ I agreed thinking I could just politely say no to the next person and be done with it.

The more he (the next guy, we'll call him B ) talks, the more I’m like, “Yeah… this is a great idea!” B tells me all this wonderful stuff about how I’d have 120 months of X amount payments, then after that the remaining balance would be forgiven even though I would have only paid about a 6th of what I owe the government for student loans. It sounded like a cool deal, so I agreed. He asks me for my bank account information because they will do automatic withdrawals for the amount, including their fee. 

I GAVE THEM MY BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER AND SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. LIKE A DUMBASS. And then signed an agreement okaying them to do the automatic withdrawals. Nope, didn't even read the full agreement before I signed.

Oh but wait, it gets better. I only hesitate because the first payment is due March 6th, and I JUST made my student loan payment last week, and with FI and I closing in on our wedding date we’re saving every penny we can. I ask B if I can talk it over with FI then get back to them. He says Yes of course! Just call me back on Monday if March 6th for the first payment doesn’t work for you! Then he transfers me over to this lovely lady whom we shall call 'M' in the processing department to get me all set up. I talk to her and she just tells me they’ll need proof of income and some more stuff to be able to consolidate my loans. 

Now while I’m on the phone with these people, I’m googling the company and can’t find anything negative about them. Just tons of links for more information.Cool. 

So it’s a Friday and I’m busy over the weekend so I don’t really think about it. Sunday rolls around. I’m like hmmm let me check on this thing. I start reading over the agreement and I’m like, “Eh…this may not be a good idea. But oh shit I agreed to let them take money out. Can I cancel this?!?!” In the agreement it says I can terminate at any time, but I also have a 3 day right of rescission. I can do this by providing a written notice either through mail, email, or fax. Since it’s Sunday, I decide to email them. The email bounces back because the email is invalid. This is the same email THEY emailed ME from and it doesn’t work. Then my brain goes, “Oh my god! This is bad!” I call the numbers they gave me and one rings forever but no message ever comes up. Another goes to B's voicemail. The one for M (that I obtained from the email she sent me) just rings and rings. I call another number from the website and it goes to another voicemail, what sounds like a personal cell phone. At this point I am freaking THE FUCK out. I decide to tell FI and he is PISSED, mostly at me for being a dumbass (which I deserve). I call my mom crying because she works for an attorney and I want her to see how bad this is that I signed an agreement, and we decide that we will overnight FedEx a letter to them saying I want to terminate, and I will also fax a copy of the letter to them when I get to work today, and me also try to call them and speak directly with someone.

We FedEx the letter this morning and I faxed 2 different numbers I have for them, and my fax machine tells me that it went through.

I try calling M (because it says all through the agreement to contact her about termination) and I still can’t get anyone to answer the call. I call the B guy and tell him I want to cancel and that I’ve sent all kinds of correspondence. He asks if I spoken with M (why is she the only person who can handle this?!?!) and I tell him no, that I can’t get her on the phone and her email doesn’t work. He says okay I’ll take care of it, and he will call me back if he needs more info. 

I decide that’s not good enough and I’ll keep trying to reach someone in the billing department. I call the phone number on the website and the guy B answers!! Are he and M the only people who work here!??!

I hang up and try to call M again and again and I FINALLY get her. I tell her the whole thing about wanting to cancel, I've sent letters, etc. etc. She very abruptly tells me she will send me an email of my cancellation, and then hangs up before I can verify that the payments won’t come out of my account.

Since then, I have received email confirmation that it was canceled. I called my bank to see if I can stop payments from automatically coming out, and they say in order to do that I have to completely close my account and open a new one. This is a GIANT hassle because all of our bills are automatically withdrawn and my work check is automatically deposited. I’m still deciding whether I need to go through with closing the account.

And more that I’ve learned since getting off the phone:
-The ONLY information I can find about this company just the website information. No reviews, no mention of it on other sites, nothing.
-They have a Facebook page, but it has 0 likes and 0 information on it.
-I can only deduce that B and M are single(double?) handedly running this company because I spoke with no one else after being connected to them.
-I’m an idiot who is not responsible enough to use technology.

I cannot BELIEVE how stupid I was!!! It’s like my brain just checked out and I was all ‘La la la pay off my loans woohoo’ and did this. I am intelligent have a fucking masters degree, but yet I gave out my social security number  and my bank account information to a stranger over the phone. Awesome.

If you made it through this whole thing, bless you. I’m totally okay with hearing your thoughts regarding my lack of intelligence in this matter. Lord knows I need an ass kicking. 

ETF: Part about master's degree. I don't mean to insinuate that anyone with some degree is any smarter than anyone without one. 
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Re: UPDATE: Let's talk about what a GIANT idiot I am.

  • Oof. 

    Regardless of whether they're "real," they seem unscrupulous to me.

    I would absolutely close my account and reopen it. The hassle of re-doing your auto-pay bills is worth it.

    Then I would look into LifeLock or another identity theft prevention system. I believe you can also "lock" your credit--it makes it harder for YOU to take out loans, but it also stops identity thieves from doing so.

    This sucks, but you realized it quickly so hopefully you can crack down on anything untoward. Good luck!
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    Gurl. Stop calling these people and call all your banks and put a hold on your credit.

    For some reason it didn't quote your name. Hmm.
    I can just call the bank to put a hold on my credit? I was mainly concerned with calling the loan people first so i could verify that they were going to cancel the agreement, but now that my SS# is potentially just swimming around out there, who do I call to hold everything? 

    Apparently it did quote your name, but just didn't show up at first. Odd.
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  • Gurl. Stop calling these people and call all your banks and put a hold on your credit.

    For some reason it didn't quote your name. Hmm.
    I can just call the bank to put a hold on my credit? I was mainly concerned with calling the loan people first so i could verify that they were going to cancel the agreement, but now that my SS# is potentially just swimming around out there, who do I call to hold everything? 

    Apparently it did quote your name, but just didn't show up at frist. Odd.
    Call your bank. Tell them someone got a hold of your bank account number and SSN. Tell them you need to freeze your account immediately. They will know exactly what to do; they deal with this type of bs all the time. 
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  • blabla89blabla89 member
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    edited March 2015

    Gurl. Stop calling these people and call all your banks and put a hold on your credit.

    For some reason it didn't quote your name. Hmm.
    I can just call the bank to put a hold on my credit? I was mainly concerned with calling the loan people first so i could verify that they were going to cancel the agreement, but now that my SS# is potentially just swimming around out there, who do I call to hold everything? 

    Apparently it did quote your name, but just didn't show up at first. Odd.
    To freeze your credit you'll need to contact each credit bureau (Equifax, Experian and TransUnion) individually. They should have an easy way to do it online, though.

    ETA: Closing your account and freezing your credit is totally worth the hassle to protect yourself from identity theft.
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  • YOU NEED TO CLOSE YOUR ACCOUNT NOW. 
  • Gurl. Stop calling these people and call all your banks and put a hold on your credit.

    For some reason it didn't quote your name. Hmm.
    I can just call the bank to put a hold on my credit? I was mainly concerned with calling the loan people first so i could verify that they were going to cancel the agreement, but now that my SS# is potentially just swimming around out there, who do I call to hold everything? 

    Apparently it did quote your name, but just didn't show up at first. Odd.
    Call the banks, call your credit card companies, call Experian, call whoever the fuck you can to stop them from opening credit in your name. You want to lock down your entire identity, not just the one account. Call the bank and do that first, and ask them to guide you on who to call next because your credit has been compromised.
    Yep, all of this. 

    Waste no time beating yourself up, and waste no time trying to get confirmation from a sketchy company--they're sketchy, so their assurances mean nothing.

    Waste even less time worrying that you signed a contract--illegal contracts aren't binding. Plus, you have an email trail, so you're fine on that front as far as canceling the "account" with them.
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  • esstee33esstee33 member
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    edited July 2015
    Yes, for fuck's sake, you need to close the account! No matter the hassle! 

    Imagine what a hassle it's going to be when this "company" uses your personal information for who even knows what, overdrafts your accounts, and ruins your credit. 
  • Eh, I'm not really phased...maybe I'm an idiot with my personal info, but 

    Based on that your OP, it seems like it was a real company that probably would have scammed you or ended up charging you additional fees or something for consolidating your debt, but not like open credit cards in your name or steal your identity. 

    Also you freaked out like a stage-5 clinger on a Sunday. Did you realize expect them to answer you? I don't really blame the woman "M" for being short and to the point with you..but I'm glad you got it sorted and feel relived. 
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    Close the account, get lifelock - or another reputable credit monitoring service that won't allow new credit to be taken out without calling you and verifying it.

    Don't wait - my coworker didn't listen to us bc it was a PITA to close the account - a couple grand later he wished he'd gone tot he trouble.
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  • Also, for future reference, the only people who will ever legit student loan forgiveness:


    Note how it says .gov? It's run by the US department of education. The people who issue the student loans. Uncle Sam does not just hand out forgiveness just because. 
  • Call Equifax and Transunion and tell them that your ID may have been compromised. There's a way for them to put a fraud alert on your credit so that if someone tries to apply for credit in your name, it will be flagged. I think it's free. 
  • Eh, I'm not really phased...maybe I'm an idiot with my personal info, but 


    Based on that your OP, it seems like it was a real company that probably would have scammed you or ended up charging you additional fees or something for consolidating your debt, but not like open credit cards in your name or steal your identity. 

    Also you freaked out like a stage-5 clinger on a Sunday. Did you realize expect them to answer you? I don't really blame the woman "M" for being short and to the point with you..but I'm glad you got it sorted and feel relived. 
    WTF?  Did you read her post?  She gave out all her most valuable info to a scammer.  What is there not to be phased about?




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  • Eh, I'm not really phased...maybe I'm an idiot with my personal info, but 


    Based on that your OP, it seems like it was a real company that probably would have scammed you or ended up charging you additional fees or something for consolidating your debt, but not like open credit cards in your name or steal your identity. 

    Also you freaked out like a stage-5 clinger on a Sunday. Did you realize expect them to answer you? I don't really blame the woman "M" for being short and to the point with you..but I'm glad you got it sorted and feel relived. 
    Haha I know you're right, but no I didn't expect them to answer me on Sunday. I just wanted to reach an answering machine or something with the company name/info letting me know this company was legit after the email bounced back.
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  • Eh, I'm not really phased...maybe I'm an idiot with my personal info, but 


    Based on that your OP, it seems like it was a real company that probably would have scammed you or ended up charging you additional fees or something for consolidating your debt, but not like open credit cards in your name or steal your identity. 

    Also you freaked out like a stage-5 clinger on a Sunday. Did you realize expect them to answer you? I don't really blame the woman "M" for being short and to the point with you..but I'm glad you got it sorted and feel relived. 
    NONONONONONONO.
  • Also make sure you save and print the email notice of cancellation and a copy of the letter you fedexed over, etc. 

    When this happened to me, I fell for one of those stupid commercials with the products that are too good to be true. I was a freshman in college so I didn't have a credit card yet; I called and used my debit card to pay. Stupid stupid stupid. They e-mailed me a receipt that said the total being charged to my card was over $300, even though the product was supposed to cost $12, so I spent over an hour on the phone with the company jumping through hoops to cancel the order. 

    They e-mailed a notice of the order cancellation, and then proceeded to withdraw all my money out of my checking account. I went to my bank to talk to them about it. Because I had a printed copy of the e-mail proving that I cancelled the order, my bank returned all the money to my account. Then they froze my account and shut off my debit card and what not. So it was a big pain in the ass, but it had to be done. 

    It's all about the paper trail. 

    Keep an eye on your credit, too, because after this happened I was looking over my credit reports and found 4 different cards that had been opened in my name, so then I had to call each company and report the fraud. No idea if it was related to the first incident or not, but it was a mess. 

    If these people really do turn out to be total con artists, I wouldn't hesitate to report them to the FTC or whatever reporting bureau you can, just to try to save other people from the whole nightmare. 


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  • Oh no.  I'm sorry this happened.  Sometimes I think it's worse to feel like you did something dumb to have someone outright rob you.

    We just had to close down our bank account due to fraud that I posted about.  It wasn't as bad as we thought it would be.  We bank at Wells Fargo and they shut it down and they were able to re-set up our automatic payments and stuff.  Got some new checks and we were good to go.  Although we did get a couple overdrafts because of checks that I wrote and forgot about that naturally were cashed right then, so careful about that. 
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  • Eh, I'm not really phased...maybe I'm an idiot with my personal info, but 

    Based on that your OP, it seems like it was a real company that probably would have scammed you or ended up charging you additional fees or something for consolidating your debt, but not like open credit cards in your name or steal your identity. 

    Also you freaked out like a stage-5 clinger on a Sunday. Did you realize expect them to answer you? I don't really blame the woman "M" for being short and to the point with you..but I'm glad you got it sorted and feel relived. 


    Haha I know you're right,
    but no I didn't expect them to answer me on Sunday. I just wanted to reach an answering machine or something with the company name/info letting me know this company was legit after the email bounced back.

    No, at this point you don't know that. You have every reason to assume these people are not legit. Do your due diligence to protect yourself... best case scenario, you did it for nothing, but better safe than sorry. It will cost you nothing to put these alerts up and re-set your autopayments. Taking this lightly could cost you EVERYTHING.

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  • Also.... I wouldn't trust a single program that's not authorized by the federal department of education.
    Start reading up here: 

    The application to consolidate your federal loans is also via the federal department of education, and there a very few service providers authorized to consolidate. Read more here: 


    Besides the feds, some states have their own repayment programs. Most are related to health professions or "public servants."

    Pretty much all of them require you to pay every month, full monthly payment, for a very long time until the rest of the dollars would be written off. 

    If it's too good to be true, that's because it is. You borrowed the money, you owe it back. Especially if you borrowed federal funds, that's taxpayer money. Pay it back. 
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  • ABSOLUTELY close your account now.

    And the whole thing about having a Master's degree means crap to me. I don't have one but my H does. H thought it was good to claim 8 dependents on his taxes (um, hello, wtf?). So now we owe the government over $1,000. So much for that big refund he was banking on. *eyeroll*...dumbass.


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  • ABSOLUTELY close your account now.

    And the whole thing about having a Master's degree means crap to me. I don't have one but my H does. H thought it was good to claim 8 dependents on his taxes (um, hello, wtf?). So now we owe the government over $1,000. So much for that big refund he was banking on. *eyeroll*...dumbass.

    Yeah I marked that out a few minutes after I posted but left if it in there so people would see what the edit is for. I agree that having any amount of degrees does not bar you from making poor decisions.

    Eh, I'm not really phased...maybe I'm an idiot with my personal info, but 

    Based on that your OP, it seems like it was a real company that probably would have scammed you or ended up charging you additional fees or something for consolidating your debt, but not like open credit cards in your name or steal your identity. 

    Also you freaked out like a stage-5 clinger on a Sunday. Did you realize expect them to answer you? I don't really blame the woman "M" for being short and to the point with you..but I'm glad you got it sorted and feel relived. 


    Haha I know you're right,
    but no I didn't expect them to answer me on Sunday. I just wanted to reach an answering machine or something with the company name/info letting me know this company was legit after the email bounced back.
    No, at this point you don't know that. You have every reason to assume these people are not legit. Do your due diligence to protect yourself... best case scenario, you did it for nothing, but better safe than sorry. It will cost you nothing to put these alerts up and re-set your autopayments. Taking this lightly could cost you EVERYTHING.

    I meant she was right about me being a Stage 5 clinger, not that this company isn't going to completely screw me over. I'm headed to the bank in about 30 minutes to start closing things down.
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