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My friend is driving me crazy

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This is a vent/question. Warning Long Post!

 

So my friend and I talk almost every day. Sometimes twice a day. She lives far away but we talk to each other on our commutes. We tell each other almost everything. Recently her dating life has not been so hot. She thought she had found a decent guy but then he broke up with her (they were together for about 5 months) and she later found out he was cheating on her. She found him on a dating website and that is how a lot of her interactions have started. The most recent guy was actually one I posted about for an etiquette question (would it be rude to ask the bride if she can bring the guy to the wedding?) So that has been a bit of a roller coaster. It's been about 2 months and it's been up and down. He doesn't always text her, has very short responses, takes for ever for him to respond. They have only be on 3 dates. He has canceled many others and for legitimate reasons. I have listened to everyone of her vents, her happy moments, etc, but it has gotten exhausting. She's asked my opinion and advice and normally ignores it, makes an excuse for why it won't work, etc.

She also is having a hard time with her family. She is 14 hours away from them and things are not going well for her poor father or grandmother. She tries to talk to her mom almost every day but some days her mom says she's busy or won't pick up. She gets really upset about this.

 

She is having a hard time making/maintaining friends down where she lives. Like she's not as close to them as she is me. It's difficult to set up activities - she tries but it doesn't always work out. She also doesn't feel she can share info with them because she's afraid they will judge her (and with good reason. She has some friends that have made some rude remarks about a person's beliefs to their face when it wasn't necessary and she's afraid the same will happen to her.)

 

I am trying to be very attentive and listen to everything. Very rarely do I talk about my own day. I will start off the conversation with how my night was and she will then bowl it over with all of her feelings. She is mostly upset about this guy. I am getting sick of it.

 

Last week I decided I needed to find something else to do on my commute (hence the post about audio books and podcasts - which has been AMAZING!) because she basically said that she is so focused on my opinion that she isn't being herself. She says all I see is the negative of their relationship and it's not helping her. The problem is the whole relationship is negative. When they got together the last time, she called later and wasn't happy about the way it went. It's constant negativity. It's exhausting. So I stopped calling or answering the phone for a while. I just needed a break. I needed something positive. Well I felt like a terrible friend (and maybe I am) and I answered a couple of phone calls this week, still trying to space out the time we talk to each other though.

She also talks to me on AIM while we're at work. Her job is very slow so this helps. Well the guy apparently yesterday told her it wasn't going to work and they should just be friends. She is very upset (understandable) and has been talking to me about it on AIM. She finished with saying she didn't feel she would find anyone. Everyone was in a relationship and happy and she was alone. I told her that she shouldn't compare herself to other people. Everyone is on different timelines and she is still very young and has tons of time. Her response was that I had no idea what I was talking about because I have never been through it (given I haven't exactly that but I have felt very alone in my life when I felt my family had abandoned me and my ex was no support - it was a cold empty feeling I would not wish on anyone). She said that it's best to talk to someone who has been through it because no one else will understand. I didn't reply.

 

I really just don't want to talk to her anymore. I have listened to her about everything. A lot of it has been very negative. I've gotten quite snarky because it's affecting me but then I try to make up for it in later conversations. My question is, should I be more understanding? She is going through so much and I feel bad thinking I'm not being a good friend by not replying and getting all butt hurt. Should I be trying harder? Like listen to her but don't provide any advice. Just let her vent as much as possible? Or am I okay with just walking away for a bit? I feel like a terrible friend because I just stopped talked to her for a week. I just didn't answer or pick up the phone because I didn't want her to be angry at me. I don't know if I'm not being empathetic enough and should stop being so judgmental. Any advice will help especially if it's telling me I'm wrong. I don't want to screw up this friendship because I'm being selfish.

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Re: My friend is driving me crazy

  • You should be honest with her. If you are good friends, you should be able to say "I love you, but your constant negativity is getting me down! Let's talk about something happy."



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    Wow. This really sounds like a one-sided friendship. Outside of you supporting her and giving her advice, what does she bring to the table? I'm NOT saying that friendships are tit for tat at all, but this sounds exhausting.

    I would definitely take a break and reevaluate later. Or just stop engaging in conversations with her to clear your head a bit, and really evaluate whether this friendship is worth it anymore.

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  • You should be honest with her. If you are good friends, you should be able to say "I love you, but your constant negativity is getting me down! Let's talk about something happy."

     

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    I did tell her that I didn't want to talk about this guy anymore. I said that it was making the conversations very negative. That was last week. She called me Saturday though because she was very upset and I felt I couldn't leave her hanging and you can't really say "let's talk about something happy" then.

     

    Also, I kind of just want a quiet commute for a couple of days. Would it be wrong to say "hey, I found some audio books I would like to listen to so I am going to listen to those on my commutes for a little while"? I'm afraid I'm abandoning her if I do that though. Like I'm being a selfish friend.


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  • Wow. This really sounds like a one-sided friendship. Outside of you supporting her and giving her advice, what does she bring to the table? I'm NOT saying that friendships are tit for tat at all, but this sounds exhausting.

    I would definitely take a break and reevaluate later. Or just stop engaging in conversations with her to clear your head a bit, and really evaluate whether this friendship is worth it anymore.


    We've talked about so much. In the past 3 years we have really gotten close. She was there when I went through my break up and was feeling very conflicted. When my old job was driving me crazy. She understood because she was going through a LTR breakup as well and her job is driving her crazy. I try not to make the attention all about me though. I really try to be attentive to the other person. She was really good about this too. Ask me about my day. How my relationship is going. What I've been doing at work, etc. It's just been the past few months. That's why I feel conflicted. Like maybe I'm being a shit friend and I need to change my attitude . . but I kind of need a break. Just a small one.
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  • It basically sounds like you have become this girls therapist.  She sees you as the person who will listen to her no matter what.  You have even stopped offering her advice since she never takes it, so you have become the free ear for her to say anything too.

    Can you tell her that while you love her, you just cannot take the constant talk about her relationships, etc.  Maybe encourage her to start keeping a journal to dump her thoughts into. 

    If you want to keep the friendship, then tell her you cannot keep being her sounding board.  Tell her that you have offered suggestions to no avail, so you would rather not hear about things.  So suggest that she find a new person/journal/blog, etc, to be her new sounding board.

    Does this friend try any other activities in her new area?  Try to encourage her to volunteer in addition to the online dating to help meet new people.  If she is in a city, there could also be adult sport teams she could join or other group activities that are organized for people to meet. It sounds like she comes on too strong and people probably burn out with her.  Can you tell her to try and slow her roll when getting to know new people?


  • You should be honest with her. If you are good friends, you should be able to say "I love you, but your constant negativity is getting me down! Let's talk about something happy."

     

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    I did tell her that I didn't want to talk about this guy anymore. I said that it was making the conversations very negative. That was last week. She called me Saturday though because she was very upset and I felt I couldn't leave her hanging and you can't really say "let's talk about something happy" then.

     

    Also, I kind of just want a quiet commute for a couple of days. Would it be wrong to say "hey, I found some audio books I would like to listen to so I am going to listen to those on my commutes for a little while"? I'm afraid I'm abandoning her if I do that though. Like I'm being a selfish friend.




    That's not really the same. Saying I don't want to hear about your relationship is easy to take the wrong way. Saying "I want to hear about good things in your life" isn't so harsh. Obviously it's not something to bring up when she calls you very upset but it's worth mentioning if you want to try something different.

    If you are really worried about her feeling abandoned maybe you could suggest you both listen to the same book so you can talk about it later - sort of like a little book club? Then you get a negative-free, quiet commute and she doesn't feel like you are cutting her out? I don't if she'd be into it though. 



  • I am in a similar situation with my BFF - she dated the loser for almost 2 years though. 

    My friend doesn't have much famly or other outside support, so I just listen to it mostly, but thankfully mostly on AIM all day - I have no commute and she's on the subway!  I know how hard it is to hear the same thing over and over... this break up has been going on for over 4 months already! 

    Last night she was reading some article about depression and mentioned how it's so important that her friends haven't abandoned her... a good reminder when I'm just SOOOOO sick of it!

    I'm trying to tell her to focus on other things... She's definitely still wallowing, but I guess it's a process.

    Anyway, definitely say you want to have a quiet commute, but I wouldn't drop her altogether.  Some people take things harder than others.

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  • My friend and I have gone through similar phases. We have a rule- if you're not going to take advice, you stop bitching after a week. This started when I lost it on her about her bitching about a loser boyfriend. She knew she needed to dump him and was sick of me telling her to- but wanted to bitch about him all the time. It's our statute of limitations - you only have a week to bitch about something unless you're going to do something about it.

    She uses it with me sometimes too. I was whining about hating my commute and feeling fat all the time. I wasn't doing anything about it, despite the fact that I knew I was being an idiot. She kept offering advice and I made excuses about how it wouldn't work. She told me I needed to do something about it or shut up. Thus paleo and audiobooks right now.

    Could you try something like this with her? We've hurt each other's feelings doing this but our relationship is strong enough that we both get over it pretty fast. Our classic line "I love you but you're making me as miserable as you are."

    Good luck!
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  • It basically sounds like you have become this girls therapist.  She sees you as the person who will listen to her no matter what.  You have even stopped offering her advice since she never takes it, so you have become the free ear for her to say anything too.

    Can you tell her that while you love her, you just cannot take the constant talk about her relationships, etc.  Maybe encourage her to start keeping a journal to dump her thoughts into. 

    If you want to keep the friendship, then tell her you cannot keep being her sounding board.  Tell her that you have offered suggestions to no avail, so you would rather not hear about things.  So suggest that she find a new person/journal/blog, etc, to be her new sounding board.

    Does this friend try any other activities in her new area?  Try to encourage her to volunteer in addition to the online dating to help meet new people.  If she is in a city, there could also be adult sport teams she could join or other group activities that are organized for people to meet. It sounds like she comes on too strong and people probably burn out with her.  Can you tell her to try and slow her roll when getting to know new people?



    The journal is actually a really great idea. I have suggested she write her feelings down on paper (like letter but never send them) but not actual an actual journal.

    Also, she is crazy busy. She tries to keep herself busy. She goes to the gym a lot and volunteers for a local basketball team. She also plays a ton of sports and does try to plan get together activities with people in her area.

    When she has down time though that's when she starts thinking and then she talks to me about all of it. I've suggested she take up some crafts but she has either done something and doesn't want to do it anymore or isn't interested.

    I have also suggested the whole slowing her roll. Taking time to get to know herself and what she can do on her own. She said that she was already getting to know herself and that this relationship was helping with that.


     


    You should be honest with her. If you are good friends, you should be able to say "I love you, but your constant negativity is getting me down! Let's talk about something happy."

     

    **SIB**

     

    I did tell her that I didn't want to talk about this guy anymore. I said that it was making the conversations very negative. That was last week. She called me Saturday though because she was very upset and I felt I couldn't leave her hanging and you can't really say "let's talk about something happy" then.

     

    Also, I kind of just want a quiet commute for a couple of days. Would it be wrong to say "hey, I found some audio books I would like to listen to so I am going to listen to those on my commutes for a little while"? I'm afraid I'm abandoning her if I do that though. Like I'm being a selfish friend.




    That's not really the same. Saying I don't want to hear about your relationship is easy to take the wrong way. Saying "I want to hear about good things in your life" isn't so harsh. Obviously it's not something to bring up when she calls you very upset but it's worth mentioning if you want to try something different.

    If you are really worried about her feeling abandoned maybe you could suggest you both listen to the same book so you can talk about it later - sort of like a little book club? Then you get a negative-free, quiet commute and she doesn't feel like you are cutting her out? I don't if she'd be into it though. 



    I guess I screwed up then when I said that :-/ I didn't mean to. I'm just getting so frustrated and tired and that is what I said when I was at a peak of that frustration and tiredness. I will say something along those lines though - it makes sense that it can be taken the wrong way.

    I will also try the book suggestion. It would be nice to discuss books with someone else :-) Unfortunately we do not really have similar tastes in books but I will still try it. It doesn't hurt.

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  • I had a very very similar situation with one of my best friends. She didn't used to be so negative, but it seemed like she had gotten herself into a really negative place and got stuck there. She would meet a guy, cling to him because she was so lonely, scare him away, get even more depressed cuz she was alone again, and just repeat the cycle. 

    I was constantly getting phone calls from her where she was venting about EVERYTHING. "He hasn't called me yet. Why isn't he texting me back? Do you think he's gonna dump me? I'm freaking out because he didn't answer his phone and I think he's ignoring me on purpose." She was constantly in a state of crisis/despair, and would never take my advice. It got to be way too much for me to deal with. 

    I finally told her I thought she would benefit from speaking with a counselor. I told her I didn't think I was equipped to give her the right advice or help her find a better way to deal with things, so she should talk to a professional instead. She actually took my advice, and called after a few weeks of therapy to tell me she was feeling much better and had a new perspective on things. She still calls to vent about guy problems, but way less frequently. 
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  • 1) Are you on AIM during work? Tell her they're cracking down and you can't be on it anymore. 

    2) I would tell her you're having an unplugged weekend. No phone or internet for you to recharge, so you'll talk to her later next week. Maybe suggest she does the same?
  • My friend and I have gone through similar phases. We have a rule- if you're not going to take advice, you stop bitching after a week. This started when I lost it on her about her bitching about a loser boyfriend. She knew she needed to dump him and was sick of me telling her to- but wanted to bitch about him all the time. It's our statute of limitations - you only have a week to bitch about something unless you're going to do something about it.

    She uses it with me sometimes too. I was whining about hating my commute and feeling fat all the time. I wasn't doing anything about it, despite the fact that I knew I was being an idiot. She kept offering advice and I made excuses about how it wouldn't work. She told me I needed to do something about it or shut up. Thus paleo and audiobooks right now.

    Could you try something like this with her? We've hurt each other's feelings doing this but our relationship is strong enough that we both get over it pretty fast. Our classic line "I love you but you're making me as miserable as you are."

    Good luck!



    Yeah, Bethsmiles suggested requesting that we talk about positive things so I am most definitely going to do that. I am so close to losing it and I get snarky and normally that's when I know I'm really close so I try to back off. I don't want to abandon her at all but this stress on top of my own doesn't help and I'm trying to be a good friend but it sure isn't easy all the time.

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    My friend doesn't have much famly or other outside support, so I just listen to it mostly, but thankfully mostly on AIM all day - I have no commute and she's on the subway!  I know how hard it is to hear the same thing over and over... this break up has been going on for over 4 months already! 

    Last night she was reading some article about depression and mentioned how it's so important that her friends haven't abandoned her... a good reminder when I'm just SOOOOO sick of it!

    I'm trying to tell her to focus on other things... She's definitely still wallowing, but I guess it's a process.

    Anyway, definitely say you want to have a quiet commute, but I wouldn't drop her altogether.  Some people take things harder than others.



    I don't want to drop her. I love her very much. If she asked me to I would seriously purchase a plane ticket and come down and visit her and make sure she was okay.

     

    She did hit me with something similar last week. She said even if she was having a really stressful time she would still listen to her friends if they needed to vent or going through a lot because that's what friends do. I told her that sometimes there is just so much in life going on and adding someone else's stresses to the mix doesn't help. Just because that person needs to take a step back doesn't mean they are a terrible friend. She didn't agree with my response.

     

    Honestly, (and this is probably a terrible thing to say) but it's nice hearing that someone is going through the same thing. I mean it stinks and hopefully it comes to an end soon but it makes me feel a little less like a bad friend about this whole situation. I just really wish I could help and stop the stress on both ends.

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  • @novella, That's kind of what this situation is. She is very attached to her phone and texting. I've suggested a therapist especially for dealing with the heartache associated with her family. She actually did start seeing one around a year ago for couple's counseling. It's been a hit or miss. She is okay with her current therapist (her company pays for that one and she doesn't want to pay for a different one) so she will sometimes go but it's been a while even though I suggested she go back because I told her I couldn't answer her questions.

     

    @RebeccaFlower, that would be a great idea but we normally don't talk on the weekends unless she has something exciting to tell me or something bad has happened.

     

    Everyone has been so helpful and understanding. I really appreciate the advice and I am most definitely listening to it all.

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  • Ooph.. I've gone through this with a few friends over the years, and continue to with one friend in particular. My friend just turned 30, younger sibling got married, she's been asked to be a bridesmaid in an insane number of weddings over the past few years, and she went from being incredibly successful, to being incredibly underemployed.

    When we talk, there's a lot of self-pity on her side, and bitterness. Although she doesn't openly resent my happiness, I feel guilty talking about anything that's going well in my life.

    When someone is so deeply unhappy with many aspects of their world, I think it can be difficult for them to see anything else. The misery takes over. As miserable as it is to speak with her, you need to remember that it's much more miserable to be her.

    It sounds like she has an external locus of control (woo freshman psych), so she might need some change in her life to put her in a better mindset. Maybe a trip would help to shake things up? Or getting involved in some activity - tap dance lessons, cooking classes, trampoline dodgeball, volunteering, etc..

    Also.. I don't know how she would react to this, but.. Maybe lay out the worst-case-scenario? It sounds like she's obsessed/depressed over not having someone in her life. So, ask her to talk through the worst possible outcome of that. For me (before I met FI) it was - never have kids, never have a family of my own, not have the life I want, waste my best years waiting around for something that isn't going to happen. Acknowledging all of that, maybe it would be easier for her to focus on her - and getting her life to a place she's happy with, independent of men.
  • Tell her that her venting to you constantly is putting honest hardworking therapists, such as myself, out of work.
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  • I have a friend like that. Full of drama, it was legit drama, but an energy sucker none the less. For my sanity and the sake of our friendship, I finally had to distance myself from her. Just for a bit. I told her the truth that I needed a few days to myself. She understood. We are still very close but she realizes that she needs to talk to a professional.
  • Wow. I am going through nearly the EXACT same thing with one of my friends. She was going through some tough times, including a divorce from a horrible guy so I made an extra effort to pick up every call, listen, try to offer thoughtful advice. None of the advice was heeded, she spun out, continued to call with meltdowns & engage in bizarre behavior, including nearly sabotaging her job, which was one of the best things she had going, etc. However, it became such a drain that my FI and my mother (both very kind people) nearly implored me to put some distance btw us. It was very one sided and then she began using me blatantly (for my city apt among other things).

    I have a very busy schedule, always on the road, so it was easy for me to pull away slowly. I would make sure to call her at least once a week to check in but not daily.

    In the end, I had to redefine my expectations of what friendship is in general. I think of it as an equal partnership, for the most part, with ebbs & flows on both sides, of course. It's true that it's not tit for tat, but if one person is giving & giving and the other is taking and taking, that is not an equal partnership. I also discovered that this person was not being fully honest with me, and telling half-truths pretty consistently. I cannot tolerate that and consider my friendship efforts to be worth more than that kind of treatment.

    I pulled away gradually and although am still one of her closest friends, I'm out of that vortex of negativity that she was constantly pulling me into. I had to be dismissive with her at times as (and a PP mentioned this earlier, when you stop giving advice you become a sounding board for everything) I could not get onboard with some of her misguided behavior. (For example, she got involved with a guy with a bunch of red flags and after 2 dates told me, "It's OK, we talked about all his issues and I know everything about him". My reply was curt but reasonable: "No, you don't. You've known him for 4 days".) I found that once I stopped being supportive of her terrible decisions, she stopped crying to me about all of the manufactured drama.

    Fortunately, I feel like we have gotten past this and we are back on the other side still friends. We don't talk as much and yet are still enjoying the benefits of a friendship in that when we do talk, it's more substantive and two-way. We've seen each other a few times and have had some good times. She's been a train wreck one of those times but I just made sure to get her in a cab at the end of the night & asked her to text me when she got home. She's an adult though and I had to let her go a bit to get her back.

    Good luck, it's not an easy thing to go through. Feel free to PM me as our situations are so similar I thought I was reading my own post.
  • Oh man, I had a friend like this, kind of. He was always negative, send snap chats of his eye with a tear, or frowning, talking about life being awful for him. He's had his ups and downs, but so does everyone else. 

    I've eventually cut back on communication because I can't handle being the bag for all his sadness. It just wasn't a healthy relationship for me. We used to be close, but some distance can be a good thing and I don't have to constantly be worried bout him and don't have to hear his negativity.

    This friend sounds really close to you, so I'd listen to the other ladies. I just couldn't handle it anymore and could cut this friend out of my life for the better. 
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