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  • ashley8918ashley8918 member
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    mj8215 said:

    LADIES! Lets not get carried away here. @Jenna8984 is a cool person. I understand getting ahead of myself when contemplating all the exciting things ahead, hell I do this all the freaking time (especially when I should be studying instead). She was just "thinking out loud", people do this on this forum all the time, no? Its not like she sent out these invitations last night. 

    Jenna, I'd probably agree that you'd want more practical stuff for your shower. The patriots onesie could be something you/ your husband/ close friends would get you "just because". Also, best wishes! 
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    MagicInk said:

     
     
    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.
     
    Who exactly is telling my hypothetical daughter that she can't do all these things? Because it's not me.

                                                                     

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    louxnoelle said:

    MagicInk said:

    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.

    If the baby is a girl she is a lady. Ladies sit quietly, don't make a ruckus, look nice, behave themselves, marry nice boys, and have nice babies. Because they are ladies. 
    Honest question, but can anything be said for the fact that she was musing over a sports-themed shower for her (admittedly nonexistent) child, whether or not it was a boy or girl? I think that itself shows that she isn't looking for her "little lady" to live in a word of bubblegum pink and daisies an unicorns.
    I do think it's a fair point BUT. It's kind of the same as announcing with a football jersey, versus a cheerleading uniform. Which I have considered and discarded (because I ALWAYS put my carts before my horses) for the same reason I'd have discarded the phrase "little lady".

    Edit: TO ME it's the same. It may not be the same thing to others.
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    louxnoelle said:

    MagicInk said:

    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.

    If the baby is a girl she is a lady. Ladies sit quietly, don't make a ruckus, look nice, behave themselves, marry nice boys, and have nice babies. Because they are ladies. 
    Honest question, but can anything be said for the fact that she was musing over a sports-themed shower for her (admittedly nonexistent) child, whether or not it was a boy or girl? I think that itself shows that she isn't looking for her "little lady" to live in a word of bubblegum pink and daisies an unicorns.
    I pointed out the line was a thinly veiled sexist message. 

    I am not saying that was Jenna's intent. There is a lot of thinly veiled sexist messages in our everyday society. I feel like, as a feminist, I should call them when I see them. That's what I did. 

    And considering all the pink crap the sports industry has pumped out for "little ladies" who happen to like sports, I think we're long past the point of "little girls can't like sports" they can. Just so long as they act like little girls while they like the sports! Here's a pink jersey. 
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    mj8215 said:

    LADIES! Lets not get carried away here. @Jenna8984 is a cool person. I understand getting ahead of myself when contemplating all the exciting things ahead, hell I do this all the freaking time (especially when I should be studying instead). She was just "thinking out loud", people do this on this forum all the time, no? Its not like she sent out these invitations last night. 

    Jenna, I'd probably agree that you'd want more practical stuff for your shower. The patriots onesie could be something you/ your husband/ close friends would get you "just because". Also, best wishes! 
    Jenna is also a grown up who has been around here long enough to know we don't hand out head pats and blow rainbows up your ass.

    We call things as we see them. If JENNA can't handle that, JENNA knows how to speak her mind.

    I see a lot of NOT JENNA people getting offended on JENNA's behalf. 
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    southernbelle0915 said:

    You guys, really...it's Friday!!
    NO GOD DAMNIT. We need an 8 page thread on this today. 

    Well, it would make the day go faster...


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    flutteringinfl said:

    MagicInk said:

    Jenna asked for our opinions. I gave my opinion. Call me a hairy legged man hating feminazi for it if you want, but it's my fucking opinion. Which is what she asked for.


    My problem is not the world lady in and of itself. For instance using @laquredlover's post as an example had it said "Lord or Lady what will it be", wouldn't have had the same loaded meaning to me.

    The problem is it's Lady vs. MAN. A girl is a lady. A boy is a man. That MEANS something. Little lady or little gentleman is on the way, less of a problem. Still weird cause they're babies and babies are not ladies or gentleman. Ladies and gentleman do not shit their pants at the dining table. Babies do. 

    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.

    If the baby is a girl she is a lady. Ladies sit quietly, don't make a ruckus, look nice, behave themselves, marry nice boys, and have nice babies. Because they are ladies. 
    I get that. So if it was "lady or gentleman," or "man or woman" or "boy or girl," that would mean something different to you?
    Maybe. I honestly think pointing out the baby is going to be one of two possible binary genders is kind of silly. 

    I mean fuck, Jenna's potential kid could identify as gender neutral and prefer neither to be a lady or a gentleman. 
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    MagicInk said:

    louxnoelle said:

    MagicInk said:

    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.

    If the baby is a girl she is a lady. Ladies sit quietly, don't make a ruckus, look nice, behave themselves, marry nice boys, and have nice babies. Because they are ladies. 
    Honest question, but can anything be said for the fact that she was musing over a sports-themed shower for her (admittedly nonexistent) child, whether or not it was a boy or girl? I think that itself shows that she isn't looking for her "little lady" to live in a word of bubblegum pink and daisies an unicorns.
    I pointed out the line was a thinly veiled sexist message. 

    I am not saying that was Jenna's intent. There is a lot of thinly veiled sexist messages in our everyday society. I feel like, as a feminist, I should call them when I see them. That's what I did. 

    And considering all the pink crap the sports industry has pumped out for "little ladies" who happen to like sports, I think we're long past the point of "little girls can't like sports" they can. Just so long as they act like little girls while they like the sports! Here's a pink jersey. 
    But you're the one who seems to be assuming that it has to be like this and society only sees it like this. I've never bought myself a pink, rhinestone jersey so why would I buy my kid one?

                                                                     

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    MagicInk said:

    flutteringinfl said:

    MagicInk said:

    Jenna asked for our opinions. I gave my opinion. Call me a hairy legged man hating feminazi for it if you want, but it's my fucking opinion. Which is what she asked for.


    My problem is not the world lady in and of itself. For instance using @laquredlover's post as an example had it said "Lord or Lady what will it be", wouldn't have had the same loaded meaning to me.

    The problem is it's Lady vs. MAN. A girl is a lady. A boy is a man. That MEANS something. Little lady or little gentleman is on the way, less of a problem. Still weird cause they're babies and babies are not ladies or gentleman. Ladies and gentleman do not shit their pants at the dining table. Babies do. 

    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.

    If the baby is a girl she is a lady. Ladies sit quietly, don't make a ruckus, look nice, behave themselves, marry nice boys, and have nice babies. Because they are ladies. 
    I get that. So if it was "lady or gentleman," or "man or woman" or "boy or girl," that would mean something different to you?
    Maybe. I honestly think pointing out the baby is going to be one of two possible binary genders is kind of silly. 

    I mean fuck, Jenna's potential kid could identify as gender neutral and prefer neither to be a lady or a gentleman. 

    I call babies "it". Even my close friend who just had her kid. Habit I guess. Now the baby is gender neutral and gets no distinction except that it is a small creature that has to depend on someone else to take care of it :-) I like being non-gender biased (is that a thing). Makes life so much simpler.
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    MagicInk said:

     
     
    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.
     
    Who exactly is telling my hypothetical daughter that she can't do all these things? Because it's not me.
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    MagicInk said:

    flutteringinfl said:

    MagicInk said:

    Jenna asked for our opinions. I gave my opinion. Call me a hairy legged man hating feminazi for it if you want, but it's my fucking opinion. Which is what she asked for.


    My problem is not the world lady in and of itself. For instance using @laquredlover's post as an example had it said "Lord or Lady what will it be", wouldn't have had the same loaded meaning to me.

    The problem is it's Lady vs. MAN. A girl is a lady. A boy is a man. That MEANS something. Little lady or little gentleman is on the way, less of a problem. Still weird cause they're babies and babies are not ladies or gentleman. Ladies and gentleman do not shit their pants at the dining table. Babies do. 

    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.

    If the baby is a girl she is a lady. Ladies sit quietly, don't make a ruckus, look nice, behave themselves, marry nice boys, and have nice babies. Because they are ladies. 
    I get that. So if it was "lady or gentleman," or "man or woman" or "boy or girl," that would mean something different to you?
    Maybe. I honestly think pointing out the baby is going to be one of two possible binary genders is kind of silly. 

    I mean fuck, Jenna's potential kid could identify as gender neutral and prefer neither to be a lady or a gentleman. 
    That's fair. I don't much like gender binary stuff for babies myself. At the baby shower we went to the other week, I purposely picked stuff from the registry that had nothing to do with gender: diapers and a box of Dr. Suess board books.

    A former employee of mine had a "pea themed" bridal shower. As in she was calling her baby "little pea" and her shower hosts followed suit. The favors were plastic peapods filled with candy. I thought that was adorable.
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    Also in response to OP's OP, I think it's tacky. You don't plan your wedding before you're engaged. Don't plan a baby shower theme before you even have plans to conceive. Just seems, weird I guess. Time to focus on the now and enjoy it. Then when you have a kid you can throw the idea to whoever is planning.

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    ChemFanatic25 said:

    Also in response to OP's OP, I think it's tacky. You don't plan your wedding before you're engaged. Don't plan a baby shower theme before you even have plans to conceive. Just seems, weird I guess. Time to focus on the now and enjoy it. Then when you have a kid you can throw the idea to whoever is planning.

    There are millions of girls on Pinterest who will disagree with you! hahah just kidding, I know, I know, you can't plan life.

                                                                     

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    tfmrserwin said:

    MagicInk said:

    MagicInk said:

    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.

    If the baby is a girl she is a lady. Ladies sit quietly, don't make a ruckus, look nice, behave themselves, marry nice boys, and have nice babies. Because they are ladies. 
    Honest question, but can anything be said for the fact that she was musing over a sports-themed shower for her (admittedly nonexistent) child, whether or not it was a boy or girl? I think that itself shows that she isn't looking for her "little lady" to live in a word of bubblegum pink and daisies an unicorns.
    I pointed out the line was a thinly veiled sexist message. 

    I am not saying that was Jenna's intent. There is a lot of thinly veiled sexist messages in our everyday society. I feel like, as a feminist, I should call them when I see them. That's what I did. 

    And considering all the pink crap the sports industry has pumped out for "little ladies" who happen to like sports, I think we're long past the point of "little girls can't like sports" they can. Just so long as they act like little girls while they like the sports! Here's a pink jersey. 

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    Ugh, I HATE that so much sports paraphernalia made for women (like jerseys and hats) are pink. I hate pink. Like, why would I want a pink Seahawks jersey when their colors are blue and green? It makes no sense.

    Sorry, just needed to put that out there.
     
    **Stupid GD BOXES!** GRRR




    My ex plays hockey and he plays in different leagues. His hockey team for one game wore neon pink and it was great because you knew which team was his. It was a combination of men and women and they were all amazing and rocked those jerseys!

     

    This is also why I really really hate the sitcoms, shows, real life where some dude is like "I'm not wearing it. It's pink." Come on, guys look great in pink, deep purple, ooooh, my boyfriend has a deep royal purple button up shirt. Makes me want to jump him every time. Not a huge fan of the whole "well girls wear pink, and boys wear blue." I hate pink. It reminds me of babies and throw up (sorry to anyone who is a mom). Love love love blue. All different shades of blue.

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    tfmrserwin said:

    MagicInk said:

    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.

    If the baby is a girl she is a lady. Ladies sit quietly, don't make a ruckus, look nice, behave themselves, marry nice boys, and have nice babies. Because they are ladies. 
    Honest question, but can anything be said for the fact that she was musing over a sports-themed shower for her (admittedly nonexistent) child, whether or not it was a boy or girl? I think that itself shows that she isn't looking for her "little lady" to live in a word of bubblegum pink and daisies an unicorns.
    I pointed out the line was a thinly veiled sexist message. 

    I am not saying that was Jenna's intent. There is a lot of thinly veiled sexist messages in our everyday society. I feel like, as a feminist, I should call them when I see them. That's what I did. 

    And considering all the pink crap the sports industry has pumped out for "little ladies" who happen to like sports, I think we're long past the point of "little girls can't like sports" they can. Just so long as they act like little girls while they like the sports! Here's a pink jersey. 

    ----BOXES----

    Ugh, I HATE that so much sports paraphernalia made for women (like jerseys and hats) are pink. I hate pink. Like, why would I want a pink Seahawks jersey when their colors are blue and green? It makes no sense.

    Sorry, just needed to put that out there.


    I was going to say this too. Why the fuck would I want to wear pink? I want to wear MY TEAM'S COLORS. 
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    tfmrserwin said:

    MagicInk said:

    MagicInk said:

    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.

    If the baby is a girl she is a lady. Ladies sit quietly, don't make a ruckus, look nice, behave themselves, marry nice boys, and have nice babies. Because they are ladies. 
    Honest question, but can anything be said for the fact that she was musing over a sports-themed shower for her (admittedly nonexistent) child, whether or not it was a boy or girl? I think that itself shows that she isn't looking for her "little lady" to live in a word of bubblegum pink and daisies an unicorns.
    I pointed out the line was a thinly veiled sexist message. 

    I am not saying that was Jenna's intent. There is a lot of thinly veiled sexist messages in our everyday society. I feel like, as a feminist, I should call them when I see them. That's what I did. 

    And considering all the pink crap the sports industry has pumped out for "little ladies" who happen to like sports, I think we're long past the point of "little girls can't like sports" they can. Just so long as they act like little girls while they like the sports! Here's a pink jersey. 

    ----BOXES----

    Ugh, I HATE that so much sports paraphernalia made for women (like jerseys and hats) are pink. I hate pink. Like, why would I want a pink Seahawks jersey when their colors are blue and green? It makes no sense.

    Sorry, just needed to put that out there.


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    pinkrevenge said:

    If you think a girl liking sports is the end of sexism, I have some bad news for you.




    Ok but nobody is disagreeing with you. We are all on the same side here.

    You know how we see stories on the news nowadays about "5 year old Johnny was pretending his pencil/ finger/ french fry is a gun. He must be a terrorist or plotting to blow up the school so let's suspend him!" I feel like the same thing just happened here. "OMG she used the word lady! She's going to buy her kid pink jersies and pearls and teach her to be subservient!" That leap is just so ridiculous.

                                                                     

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    I JUST REALIZED HOW I WANT TO ANNOUNCE FUTURE BABYSWEETIE'S SEX (if we announce, if we get pregnant, if if if. Yep. Carts waaaaaay before horses.)

    The "local" hockey team FILs support has the first female pro goalie on it. 

    We're going to announce via their goalies' jerseys. Or via the bobbleheads I have of each goalie. Or... somehow like that.

    GUYS. THIS IS BRILLIANT. DO NOT LET ME FORGET THIS.
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    hellosweetie1015 said:

    I JUST REALIZED HOW I WANT TO ANNOUNCE FUTURE BABYSWEETIE'S SEX (if we announce, if we get pregnant, if if if. Yep. Carts waaaaaay before horses.)


    The "local" hockey team FILs support has the first female pro goalie on it. 

    We're going to announce via their goalies' jerseys. Or via the bobbleheads I have of each goalie. Or... somehow like that.

    GUYS. THIS IS BRILLIANT. DO NOT LET ME FORGET THIS.
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    pinkrevenge said:

    If you think a girl liking sports is the end of sexism, I have some bad news for you.




    Ok but nobody is disagreeing with you. We are all on the same side here.

    You know how we see stories on the news nowadays about "5 year old Johnny was pretending his pencil/ finger/ french fry is a gun. He must be a terrorist or plotting to blow up the school so let's suspend him!" I feel like the same thing just happened here. "OMG she used the word lady! She's going to buy her kid pink jersies and pearls and teach her to be subservient!" That leap is just so ridiculous.

    I'm pretty sure that Pink was referring to this comment:
    louxnoelle said:

    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.

    If the baby is a girl she is a lady. Ladies sit quietly, don't make a ruckus, look nice, behave themselves, marry nice boys, and have nice babies. Because they are ladies. 
    Honest question, but can anything be said for the fact that she was musing over a sports-themed shower for her (admittedly nonexistent) child, whether or not it was a boy or girl? I think that itself shows that she isn't looking for her "little lady" to live in a word of bubblegum pink and daisies an unicorns.
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    ashley8918 said:

    pinkrevenge said:

    If you think a girl liking sports is the end of sexism, I have some bad news for you.




    Ok but nobody is disagreeing with you. We are all on the same side here.

    You know how we see stories on the news nowadays about "5 year old Johnny was pretending his pencil/ finger/ french fry is a gun. He must be a terrorist or plotting to blow up the school so let's suspend him!" I feel like the same thing just happened here. "OMG she used the word lady! She's going to buy her kid pink jersies and pearls and teach her to be subservient!" That leap is just so ridiculous.

    I'm pretty sure that Pink was referring to this comment:
    louxnoelle said:

    But see if the baby is boy he gets to be a man. We all know what being a man in our society means. It means he can play sports, he can like cars, date girls, have any job he wants, have kids, or not have kids, get married, or stay single, earn more money, and in general be better. He is a man and the world is his oyster.

    If the baby is a girl she is a lady. Ladies sit quietly, don't make a ruckus, look nice, behave themselves, marry nice boys, and have nice babies. Because they are ladies. 
    Honest question, but can anything be said for the fact that she was musing over a sports-themed shower for her (admittedly nonexistent) child, whether or not it was a boy or girl? I think that itself shows that she isn't looking for her "little lady" to live in a word of bubblegum pink and daisies an unicorns.





    Well, FWIW - No, I certainly don't see that as being an end to sexism, that's silly.
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    I wanna live in a world of unicorns and nail polish and the NY Mets Yankees.

    FTFY.
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