WAH. So sad...

littlepep

Did yall hear about the death of Dave Goldberg? His wife Sheryl Sandberg posted the saddest, sweetest message ever. 

https://www.facebook.com/sheryl/posts/10155493238390177

Trying not to sob at my desk. 

lyndausvi

Yeah, I heard about it over the weekend. 

A treadmill?  So sad.

sarahufl

Ugh, I cried at her FB post. What a lovely tribute.

I am interested to see if they release further info about his cause of death. How tragic.

cupcait927

Oh that was heartbreaking.

littlepep

sarahufl said:

Ugh, I cried at her FB post. What a lovely tribute.

I am interested to see if they release further info about his cause of death. How tragic.

Yeah I'm curious as well. It sounds like he was healthy for the most part. I did see that it said his official cause of death was severe head trauma so it sounds like whatever made him collapse wasn't what killed him. 

lyndausvi

littlepep said:

sarahufl said:

Ugh, I cried at her FB post. What a lovely tribute.

I am interested to see if they release further info about his cause of death. How tragic.

Yeah I'm curious as well. It sounds like he was healthy for the most part. I did see that it said his official cause of death was severe head trauma so it sounds like whatever made him collapse wasn't what killed him. 

Did he collapse or did he just slip and/or lose his balance?

Today Show is doing an article on treadmills right now.  Apparently there are a lot of treadmill accidents.   This one woman said she simply sneezed which caused her to lose her balance and she fell.

littlepep

lyndausvi said:

littlepep said:

sarahufl said:

Ugh, I cried at her FB post. What a lovely tribute.

I am interested to see if they release further info about his cause of death. How tragic.

Yeah I'm curious as well. It sounds like he was healthy for the most part. I did see that it said his official cause of death was severe head trauma so it sounds like whatever made him collapse wasn't what killed him. 

Did he collapse or did he just slip and/or lose his balance?

Today Show is doing an article on treadmills right now.  Apparently there are a lot of treadmill accidents.   This one woman said she simply sneezed which caused her to lose her balance and she fell.

Yikes. Yeah I guess don't know how he fell so that's entirely possible. 

sarahufl

lyndausvi said:

littlepep said:

sarahufl said:

Ugh, I cried at her FB post. What a lovely tribute.

I am interested to see if they release further info about his cause of death. How tragic.

Yeah I'm curious as well. It sounds like he was healthy for the most part. I did see that it said his official cause of death was severe head trauma so it sounds like whatever made him collapse wasn't what killed him. 

Did he collapse or did he just slip and/or lose his balance?

Today Show is doing an article on treadmills right now.  Apparently there are a lot of treadmill accidents.   This one woman said she simply sneezed which caused her to lose her balance and she fell.

That is what I am curious about. How awful to die just falling off a treadmill.

When I first read about it, I assumed he had something else that caused him to fall- a heart attack or something. I have no reason to think that, just seemed awfully tragic to just....fall....while exercising.

His poor family.

kvruns

I'd read about the death but hadn't seen the tribute yet.

I'm very curious to learn more about what happened. I assumed it was a heart attack or something that caused him to fall and hit his head, but it sounds like that was not the case.  Falling off a treadmill is easy; falling to the point where it kills you seems like it would have to be just the right fall, hit something at just the right angle to cause this to happen. 

Also found it curious the early reports said it happened at a Four Seasons and the hotel kept saying he wasn't a guest at their hotel, it didn't happen at their hotel, etc.  very odd

littlepep

kvruns said:

I'd read about the death but hadn't seen the tribute yet.

I'm very curious to learn more about what happened. I assumed it was a heart attack or something that caused him to fall and hit his head, but it sounds like that was not the case.  Falling off a treadmill is easy; falling to the point where it kills you seems like it would have to be just the right fall, hit something at just the right angle to cause this to happen. 

Also found it curious the early reports said it happened at a Four Seasons and the hotel kept saying he wasn't a guest at their hotel, it didn't happen at their hotel, etc.  very odd

This is what I was thinking as well. 

lyndausvi

kvruns said:

I'd read about the death but hadn't seen the tribute yet.

I'm very curious to learn more about what happened. I assumed it was a heart attack or something that caused him to fall and hit his head, but it sounds like that was not the case.  Falling off a treadmill is easy; falling to the point where it kills you seems like it would have to be just the right fall, hit something at just the right angle to cause this to happen. 

Also found it curious the early reports said it happened at a Four Seasons and the hotel kept saying he wasn't a guest at their hotel, it didn't happen at their hotel, etc.  very odd

They have been very hush, hush on where they are staying.  I'm curious on why, too?

STARMOON44

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

sarahufl

STARMOON44 said:

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

Of course it is personal and private. And we aren't snooping in their garbage, just generally curious.

simcal18

Wow.  What a well-written and emotional tribute.  I'm so sad for her and her family--this one is really hitting me hard for some reason.  With the wedding coming up, a lot of things are making me think about what it means to pledge to spend "the rest of your lives" together.  Both sets of my grandparents reached their 50th anniversaries easily.  Both FI's and my parents are going on 30+ years together and are in excellent health.  I think I often just assume that it will be that way for FI and me too, but that doesn't always happen--in the grand scheme of things our families have been incredibly lucky.  That stupid Grey's Anatomy plot line shook me up a couple of weeks ago, and I kept reminding myself that it was fiction.  Well, case in point--tragic early deaths happen in real life too.  Every day.  All we can do is cherish and make the most of the time that we have with our loved ones, because we never really know how long we'll get.

littlepep

STARMOON44 said:

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

I'm not curious to be nosy. I understand that is's private and person, but I also want to understand how a young, healthy person can die suddenly.

STARMOON44

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

I'm not curious to be nosy. I understand that is's private and person, but I also want to understand how a young, healthy person can die suddenly.

Then read a medical book. Young healthy people die suddenly sometimes. They get shot. They overdose. They have heart attacks. They get hit by cars. They have allergic reactions. It is nosy to want the details of a specific stranger's death, even if that's not your intention.

flutteringinfl

That's heartbreaking. I fell off a treadmill last year and got busted up pretty bad. That's definitely low on my list of ways I'd want to go.

lyndausvi

STARMOON44 said:

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

I'm not curious to be nosy. I understand that is's private and person, but I also want to understand how a young, healthy person can die suddenly.

Then read a medical book. Young healthy people die suddenly sometimes. They get shot. They overdose. They have heart attacks. They get hit by cars. They have allergic reactions. It is nosy to want the details of a specific stranger's death, even if that's not your intention.

He died in Mexico, so it doesn't apply here.     

But, death certificates are matter of public record.   In some states, autopsy reports are also a matter of public record.

Might seem like an invasion of privacy, but indeed they are sometimes a matter of public records.  Just like birth certificates, marriage certificates and propety transfers.

STARMOON44

lyndausvi said:

STARMOON44 said:

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

I'm not curious to be nosy. I understand that is's private and person, but I also want to understand how a young, healthy person can die suddenly.

Then read a medical book. Young healthy people die suddenly sometimes. They get shot. They overdose. They have heart attacks. They get hit by cars. They have allergic reactions. It is nosy to want the details of a specific stranger's death, even if that's not your intention.

He died in Mexico, so it doesn't apply here.     

But, death certificates are matter of public record.   In some states, autopsy reports are also a matter of public record.

Might seem like an invasion of privacy, but indeed they are sometimes a matter of public records.  Just like birth certificates, marriage certificates and propety transfers.

And this means we all need to be looking at it why? I don't care if legally anyone can get the info, I think it's rude, insensitive, nosy, unkind, and ghoulish to be looking for it.

redheadbride15

Woah, what a bizarre and upsetting story! I knew there was a reason why I hate treadmills.

littlepep

STARMOON44 said:

lyndausvi said:

STARMOON44 said:

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

I'm not curious to be nosy. I understand that is's private and person, but I also want to understand how a young, healthy person can die suddenly.

Then read a medical book. Young healthy people die suddenly sometimes. They get shot. They overdose. They have heart attacks. They get hit by cars. They have allergic reactions. It is nosy to want the details of a specific stranger's death, even if that's not your intention.

He died in Mexico, so it doesn't apply here.     

But, death certificates are matter of public record.   In some states, autopsy reports are also a matter of public record.

Might seem like an invasion of privacy, but indeed they are sometimes a matter of public records.  Just like birth certificates, marriage certificates and propety transfers.

And this means we all need to be looking at it why? I don't care if legally anyone can get the info, I think it's rude, insensitive, nosy, unkind, and ghoulish to be looking for it.

As someone who runs on treadmills and has friends that run on treadmills, if a person died because of a treadmill accident, yes, I want to know about it. I don't think that makes me nosy. If there's a safety issue with treadmills, then people should be talking about. 

sarahufl

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

lyndausvi said:

STARMOON44 said:

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

I'm not curious to be nosy. I understand that is's private and person, but I also want to understand how a young, healthy person can die suddenly.

Then read a medical book. Young healthy people die suddenly sometimes. They get shot. They overdose. They have heart attacks. They get hit by cars. They have allergic reactions. It is nosy to want the details of a specific stranger's death, even if that's not your intention.

He died in Mexico, so it doesn't apply here.     

But, death certificates are matter of public record.   In some states, autopsy reports are also a matter of public record.

Might seem like an invasion of privacy, but indeed they are sometimes a matter of public records.  Just like birth certificates, marriage certificates and propety transfers.

And this means we all need to be looking at it why? I don't care if legally anyone can get the info, I think it's rude, insensitive, nosy, unkind, and ghoulish to be looking for it.

As someone who runs on treadmills and has friends that run on treadmills, if a person died because of a treadmill accident, yes, I want to know about it. I don't think that makes me nosy. If there's a safety issue with treadmills, then people should be talking about. 

Absolutely. We aren't digging around for photos of the scene or his private medical records. It is unusual for a healthy, young-ish man to die exercising and an interesting topic of discussion.

hellosweetie1015

 

sarahufl said:

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

lyndausvi said:

STARMOON44 said:

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

I'm not curious to be nosy. I understand that is's private and person, but I also want to understand how a young, healthy person can die suddenly.

Then read a medical book. Young healthy people die suddenly sometimes. They get shot. They overdose. They have heart attacks. They get hit by cars. They have allergic reactions. It is nosy to want the details of a specific stranger's death, even if that's not your intention.

He died in Mexico, so it doesn't apply here.     

But, death certificates are matter of public record.   In some states, autopsy reports are also a matter of public record.

Might seem like an invasion of privacy, but indeed they are sometimes a matter of public records.  Just like birth certificates, marriage certificates and propety transfers.

And this means we all need to be looking at it why? I don't care if legally anyone can get the info, I think it's rude, insensitive, nosy, unkind, and ghoulish to be looking for it.

As someone who runs on treadmills and has friends that run on treadmills, if a person died because of a treadmill accident, yes, I want to know about it. I don't think that makes me nosy. If there's a safety issue with treadmills, then people should be talking about. 

Absolutely. We aren't digging around for photos of the scene or his private medical records. It is unusual for a healthy, young-ish man to die exercising and an interesting topic of discussion.

You ladies are definitely articulating this better than I was. I want to know how it happened because I have friends and family who use this piece of machinery all the time. I don't want to know all his intimate private details, I want to know how this specific event happened that resulted in the death of a fairly young man in good health.

I hate rubbernecking. I don't think this is it.

lyndausvi

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

lyndausvi said:

STARMOON44 said:

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

I'm not curious to be nosy. I understand that is's private and person, but I also want to understand how a young, healthy person can die suddenly.

Then read a medical book. Young healthy people die suddenly sometimes. They get shot. They overdose. They have heart attacks. They get hit by cars. They have allergic reactions. It is nosy to want the details of a specific stranger's death, even if that's not your intention.

He died in Mexico, so it doesn't apply here.     

But, death certificates are matter of public record.   In some states, autopsy reports are also a matter of public record.

Might seem like an invasion of privacy, but indeed they are sometimes a matter of public records.  Just like birth certificates, marriage certificates and propety transfers.

And this means we all need to be looking at it why? I don't care if legally anyone can get the info, I think it's rude, insensitive, nosy, unkind, and ghoulish to be looking for it.

As someone who runs on treadmills and has friends that run on treadmills, if a person died because of a treadmill accident, yes, I want to know about it. I don't think that makes me nosy. If there's a safety issue with treadmills, then people should be talking about. 

And that is why those things are matter of public record.  

Sure when it comes to a high profile person there is going to be a level of nosiness.   But for the good of everyone the how and why allows us to fix things that might be wrong.    

 Someone dying from blunt force trauma  while on a treadmill can be a result of many things.  But if one of those things is simply just losing their balance with no underlying heath issues causes someone to die there could have bigger implications.    At the very least it sends out a PSA that this is a possible situation and make people more careful.

simcal18

hellosweetie1015 said:

 

sarahufl said:

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

lyndausvi said:

STARMOON44 said:

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

I'm not curious to be nosy. I understand that is's private and person, but I also want to understand how a young, healthy person can die suddenly.

Then read a medical book. Young healthy people die suddenly sometimes. They get shot. They overdose. They have heart attacks. They get hit by cars. They have allergic reactions. It is nosy to want the details of a specific stranger's death, even if that's not your intention.

He died in Mexico, so it doesn't apply here.     

But, death certificates are matter of public record.   In some states, autopsy reports are also a matter of public record.

Might seem like an invasion of privacy, but indeed they are sometimes a matter of public records.  Just like birth certificates, marriage certificates and propety transfers.

And this means we all need to be looking at it why? I don't care if legally anyone can get the info, I think it's rude, insensitive, nosy, unkind, and ghoulish to be looking for it.

As someone who runs on treadmills and has friends that run on treadmills, if a person died because of a treadmill accident, yes, I want to know about it. I don't think that makes me nosy. If there's a safety issue with treadmills, then people should be talking about. 

Absolutely. We aren't digging around for photos of the scene or his private medical records. It is unusual for a healthy, young-ish man to die exercising and an interesting topic of discussion.

You ladies are definitely articulating this better than I was. I want to know how it happened because I have friends and family who use this piece of machinery all the time. I don't want to know all his intimate private details, I want to know how this specific event happened that resulted in the death of a fairly young man in good health.

I hate rubbernecking. I don't think this is it.

Yep.  Agreed here.  The death of a young healthy man is unsettling.  It's natural to seek an explanation for it.  I don't think anybody here is clamoring for autopsy photos or anything gruesome like that.  People just want to understand why it happened.  

We have a treadmill in our basement.  FI was using it last night.  You bet your butt when I went down there and saw him my mind went to this incident, and I was thinking about how it could possibly have happened and trying to reassure myself that it was a one-in-a-million freaky occurence and not something that would likely happen to FI.

STARMOON44

I mean, I have zero issue with wanting to understand the risks of dying on a treadmill. And even with that concern being triggered by this death. But that's not something that requires anyone to know the details of how this man died. General info on treadmills, safety, sudden death while exercising covers that. What I really found offensive was the speculation about which hotel they were at and why things were hush hush. That's just plain nosy to me.

huskypuppy14

STARMOON44 said:

I mean, I have zero issue with wanting to understand the risks of dying on a treadmill. And even with that concern being triggered by this death. But that's not something that requires anyone to know the details of how this man died. General info on treadmills, safety, sudden death while exercising covers that. What I really found offensive was the speculation about which hotel they were at and why things were hush hush. That's just plain nosy to me.

Do you work for the hotel or something? It's just curious because the hotel could be liable, and it's weird the hotel said he was not a guest. Don't you find that strange? No one is trying to pry into his medical records or anything.

What I find weird is that he went to the gym at 4pm and was found by his brother at 7pm. Did no one else use the gym in that time? He was all by himself that whole time? I find that really hard to believe.

redoryx

littlepep said:

lyndausvi said:

STARMOON44 said:

littlepep said:

STARMOON44 said:

I find all this curiosity really unseemly. Perhaps they're not revealing these details because, while they're very well known, ultimately this is a personal and private tragedy?

I'm not curious to be nosy. I understand that is's private and person, but I also want to understand how a young, healthy person can die suddenly.

Then read a medical book. Young healthy people die suddenly sometimes. They get shot. They overdose. They have heart attacks. They get hit by cars. They have allergic reactions. It is nosy to want the details of a specific stranger's death, even if that's not your intention.

He died in Mexico, so it doesn't apply here.     

But, death certificates are matter of public record.   In some states, autopsy reports are also a matter of public record.

Might seem like an invasion of privacy, but indeed they are sometimes a matter of public records.  Just like birth certificates, marriage certificates and propety transfers.

And this means we all need to be looking at it why? I don't care if legally anyone can get the info, I think it's rude, insensitive, nosy, unkind, and ghoulish to be looking for it.

As someone who runs on treadmills and has friends that run on treadmills, if a person died because of a treadmill accident, yes, I want to know about it. I don't think that makes me nosy. If there's a safety issue with treadmills, then people should be talking about. 

Yes. I feel off a treadmill years ago at the gym and it was set up in such a way that I got wedged between the end of the belt and the wall and the treadmill was still going. My arm got essentially a very nasty friction burn before someone heard me calling for help. There are safety issues to consider that need to be discussed.

KatieinBkln

What an awful tragedy. 

As if I needed another reason to avoid treadmills.

lyndausvi

huskypuppy14 said:

I mean, I have zero issue with wanting to understand the risks of dying on a treadmill. And even with that concern being triggered by this death. But that's not something that requires anyone to know the details of how this man died. General info on treadmills, safety, sudden death while exercising covers that. What I really found offensive was the speculation about which hotel they were at and why things were hush hush. That's just plain nosy to me.

Do you work for the hotel or something? It's just curious because the hotel could be liable, and it's weird the hotel said he was not a guest. Don't you find that strange? No one is trying to pry into his medical records or anything.

What I find weird is that he went to the gym at 4pm and was found by his brother at 7pm. Did no one else use the gym in that time? He was all by himself that whole time? I find that really hard to believe.

First bold  It's not strange if he really wasn't a guest.  I've worked at hotels before and non-guests have been known to use workout rooms.  Some going through the proper channels (some hotels charge a day pass fee).  Others not so much.  I.E your friends are staying somewhere else and you give them your key to use the gym.  Some just flat out lie and say they lost their key to get in and then not sign in.  Happens more often then you think.

Second bold -  I find that odd too.  I've never been to that resort, but have worked at other luxury brand resorts.   It's rare for a gym to go 3 hours with no one in there.  Not impossible, but rare. What is even stranger to me is a staff member didn't go in either.   SOPs where I worked had either staffing in the gym or at the very least someone going in every so often to make sure it's clean and tidy.

ETA - just read an article and it said the gym was part of a villa.  Not a hotel.  So that would explain why Four Seasons said he wasn't a guest.

mj8215

Very, very sad. 

I just recently finished her book, and while I do not necessarily agree with all of her advice personally, I was very touched by how she spoke of her husband. In fact that is what I took from that book - that no matter how much you love your career, you cannot isolate it from your family life, and if you choose marriage, it should be with someone who is willing to be your equal partner, where you can support each other (I'm not that great with words, clearly, but I hope you get the idea). 

PS: On the treadmill discussion - I agree with wanting to know what caused this, given how widespread the use of treadmills is, and it has nothing to do with "being nosy".