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  • I'm thrilled! No one has the right to deny someone else the right to be happy!

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  • kmmssg said:
    chloe97 said:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/26/supreme_court_legalizes_gay_marriage_here_is_the_beautiful_last_paragraph.html

    The last paragraph really was lovely:

    "No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization's oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right."

    Teary
    Boxes?

    Our officiant has been asking for our last reading for a month. I kept putting him off in hopes that this ruling would good and have a passage that would be appropriate.And then I read this, started crying and knew we had found it!

    Such a great day! I am so proud of our country today!
     
     
    As soon as I read this I knew it was destined to be read at many a wedding.

    We had been planning on using a reading from Goodridge v. Massachusetts.  But given the epic prose in this opinion that may change.  I do like the last paragraph but we'll probably use this (from near the beginning of the opinion) instead:

    "From their beginning to their most recent page, the annals of human history reveal the transcendent importance of marriage. The lifelong union of a man and a woman always has promised nobility and dignity to all persons, without regard to their station in life. Marriage is sacred to those who live by their religions and offers unique fulfillment to those who find meaning in the secular realm. Its dynamic allows two people to find a life that could not be found alone, for a marriage becomes greater than just the two persons. Rising from the most basic human needs, marriage is essential to our most profound hopes and aspirations."
  • I'm already seeing:

    Marriage = 1 man + 1 woman postings on my Facebook.  Not trying to stir shit, but I did ask someone what that gay couple was if they weren't "married."  Curious to see if they answer me.


  • YAY!!!! 

    On a related note, have you seen the new Tylenol campaign? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/12/tylenol-how-we-family-commercial-_n_7561768.html

    Probably one of the only commercials ever to actually bring tears to my eyes. I loved it. And I love that such a huge company has come out with a campaign like this, because it's usually huge companies that signify social change. (Look at Amazon, Walmart and Sears banning the sale of confederate flags BEFORE SC removed the flag, which is still in debate) 

    There was a thing on Buzzfeed or one of those sites with a list of big companies (Starbucks, Target, etc) tweeting celebratory responses to the ruling. I think of big companies as being risk-averse enough that they wouldn't overtly support a position that they might perceive as possibly having a negative impact on their bottom lines. So when they visibly support progress and justice, it means that they see it as necessary to their future viability. It's wayyyy less romantic than that last paragraph of the opinion, but just as necessary in its own way. YAYYYYYYY indeed!

  • I'm already seeing:

    Marriage = 1 man + 1 woman postings on my Facebook.  Not trying to stir shit, but I did ask someone what that gay couple was if they weren't "married."  Curious to see if they answer me.

    Hahaha. Yeah it's funny how Facebook "outs" everyone's political leanings.

    My family (who are very, very liberal), and my H's family (who are relatively conservative and religious) just met for the first time at our wedding last month. It was a lovely, friendly, politics-free weekend and a bunch of our family members became Facebook friends after the wedding. I can only imagine what a wonderful wake-up call H's family is all getting finding their news feeds all full of rainbow flags and giant equals signs this morning!
  • I'm already seeing:

    Marriage = 1 man + 1 woman postings on my Facebook.  Not trying to stir shit, but I did ask someone what that gay couple was if they weren't "married."  Curious to see if they answer me.

    I luckily haven't seen anything yet except from a friend who reposted a ridiculous comment a very conservative religious woman posted on his status applauding SCOTUS. He went to an extremely conservative Christian academy all his life then became pretty liberal as an adult, so he gets a lot of nasty comments whenever he posts something in favor of more progressive laws.


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  • kmmssg said:
    chloe97 said:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/26/supreme_court_legalizes_gay_marriage_here_is_the_beautiful_last_paragraph.html

    The last paragraph really was lovely:

    "No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization's oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right."

    Teary
    Boxes?

    Our officiant has been asking for our last reading for a month. I kept putting him off in hopes that this ruling would good and have a passage that would be appropriate.And then I read this, started crying and knew we had found it!

    Such a great day! I am so proud of our country today!
     
     
    As soon as I read this I knew it was destined to be read at many a wedding.

    We had been planning on using a reading from Goodridge v. Massachusetts.  But given the epic prose in this opinion that may change.  I do like the last paragraph but we'll probably use this (from near the beginning of the opinion) instead:

    "From their beginning to their most recent page, the annals of human history reveal the transcendent importance of marriage. The lifelong union of a man and a woman always has promised nobility and dignity to all persons, without regard to their station in life. Marriage is sacred to those who live by their religions and offers unique fulfillment to those who find meaning in the secular realm. Its dynamic allows two people to find a life that could not be found alone, for a marriage becomes greater than just the two persons. Rising from the most basic human needs, marriage is essential to our most profound hopes and aspirations."
     I like this one too! I haven't had a chance to read through the whole decision. I do like this one is little less law-ish, though I have a grad degree in public policy and my friend who is reading it is an attorney.  I'd like to subtly make the point that FI and I believe all people should be allowed to marry who they love without being super preachy/political about it. 
  • lyndausvi said:
    I'm already seeing:

    Marriage = 1 man + 1 woman postings on my Facebook.  Not trying to stir shit, but I did ask someone what that gay couple was if they weren't "married."  Curious to see if they answer me.

    DH and I come from very Catholic families.   My nieces go to Catholic HS and college.  I have cousins who is a dean of students at a Catholic HS.    Most of our friends are also Catholic.

    All the posts I've seen are cheering the SCOTUS decision.   Everyone.  I have yet to see a post slamming the decision.      

    I'm happy about that.
    That is awesome.  The people I've seen post it are very active, faithful Catholics.  I asked one, not the other.  I have a feeling she won't respond.  Which is fine.  I'm just interested to know what it is if it isn't a marriage.

  • I'm thrilled! No one has the right to deny someone else the right to be happy!
    Isn't your husband, like, super against SSM? How's he feeling today?
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  • chloe97 said:
    kmmssg said:
    chloe97 said:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/26/supreme_court_legalizes_gay_marriage_here_is_the_beautiful_last_paragraph.html

    The last paragraph really was lovely:

    "No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization's oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right."

    Teary
    Boxes?

    Our officiant has been asking for our last reading for a month. I kept putting him off in hopes that this ruling would good and have a passage that would be appropriate.And then I read this, started crying and knew we had found it!

    Such a great day! I am so proud of our country today!
     
     
    As soon as I read this I knew it was destined to be read at many a wedding.

    We had been planning on using a reading from Goodridge v. Massachusetts.  But given the epic prose in this opinion that may change.  I do like the last paragraph but we'll probably use this (from near the beginning of the opinion) instead:

    "From their beginning to their most recent page, the annals of human history reveal the transcendent importance of marriage. The lifelong union of a man and a woman always has promised nobility and dignity to all persons, without regard to their station in life. Marriage is sacred to those who live by their religions and offers unique fulfillment to those who find meaning in the secular realm. Its dynamic allows two people to find a life that could not be found alone, for a marriage becomes greater than just the two persons. Rising from the most basic human needs, marriage is essential to our most profound hopes and aspirations."
     I like this one too! I haven't had a chance to read through the whole decision. I do like this one is little less law-ish, though I have a grad degree in public policy and my friend who is reading it is an attorney.  I'd like to subtly make the point that FI and I believe all people should be allowed to marry who they love without being super preachy/political about it. 
    That's what I liked about it.  I'm a lawyer and total law nerd.  The last paragraph of the decision is beautiful, but it's a little more focused on the case at hand and less focused on what marriage is.  We also wanted to subtly express our point without getting too preachy/political about it--the people who support gay marriage will understand what we're saying, and anybody there who doesn't probably won't get it.

    I am thinking about combining the first part above with the first two sentences of the last paragraph because that language is SO beautiful.  But then it gets a little redundant:

    "From their beginning to their most recent page, the annals of human history reveal the transcendent importance of marriage. The lifelong union of a man and a woman always has promised nobility and dignity to all persons, without regard to their station in life. Marriage is sacred to those who live by their religions and offers unique fulfillment to those who find meaning in the secular realm. Its dynamic allows two people to find a life that could not be found alone, for a marriage becomes greater than just the two persons. Rising from the most basic human needs, marriage is essential to our most profound hopes and aspirations .  .  .No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were."
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    "From their beginning to their most recent page, the annals of human history reveal the transcendent importance of marriage. The lifelong union of a man and a woman always has promised nobility and dignity to all persons, without regard to their station in life. Marriage is sacred to those who live by their religions and offers unique fulfillment to those who find meaning in the secular realm. Its dynamic allows two people to find a life that could not be found alone, for a marriage becomes greater than just the two persons. Rising from the most basic human needs, marriage is essential to our most profound hopes and aspirations .  .  .No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were."
    I love this and I may steal your idea! 

    ETA: I will have my friend end by saying "Justice Anthony Kennedy,  Obergefell v Hodges" 
  • lyndausvi said:
    I'm already seeing:

    Marriage = 1 man + 1 woman postings on my Facebook.  Not trying to stir shit, but I did ask someone what that gay couple was if they weren't "married."  Curious to see if they answer me.

    DH and I come from very Catholic families.   My nieces go to Catholic HS and college.  I have cousins who is a dean of students at a Catholic HS.    Most of our friends are also Catholic.

    All the posts I've seen are cheering the SCOTUS decision.   Everyone.  I have yet to see a post slamming the decision.      

    I'm happy about that.

    I saw something come across my newsfeed about how the Catholic Church has become more progressive than the GOP. I also read a post that talked about the different religions and where they stand on the support of of gay marriage. Catholics had the highest percentage of people who supported it. I want to say it was in the 60s.
  • lyndausvi said:
    I'm already seeing:

    Marriage = 1 man + 1 woman postings on my Facebook.  Not trying to stir shit, but I did ask someone what that gay couple was if they weren't "married."  Curious to see if they answer me.

    DH and I come from very Catholic families.   My nieces go to Catholic HS and college.  I have cousins who is a dean of students at a Catholic HS.    Most of our friends are also Catholic.

    All the posts I've seen are cheering the SCOTUS decision.   Everyone.  I have yet to see a post slamming the decision.      

    I'm happy about that.
    I've had the same experience. We were both raised Catholic, and our families are fairly conservative. I have lived in the south all my life (although not a rural area). I was honestly expecting to see some slamming and/or hateful posts. 

    I'm really delighted to see that there has not been a single negative comment on my status feed today. I doubt everyone on FB is really in support, but I'm happy to see that those who don't support are at least keeping quiet about it.  
  • @HeatherKat: don't know, don't care. I have always been in support of gay rights. I am thrilled for this day! :-)

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  • chloe97 said:

    "From their beginning to their most recent page, the annals of human history reveal the transcendent importance of marriage. The lifelong union of a man and a woman always has promised nobility and dignity to all persons, without regard to their station in life. Marriage is sacred to those who live by their religions and offers unique fulfillment to those who find meaning in the secular realm. Its dynamic allows two people to find a life that could not be found alone, for a marriage becomes greater than just the two persons. Rising from the most basic human needs, marriage is essential to our most profound hopes and aspirations .  .  .No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were."
    I love this and I may steal your idea! 

    ETA: I will have my friend end by saying "Justice Anthony Kennedy,  Obergefell v Hodges" 
    Oh HELL no.  You better not steal my idea.  My wedding is going to be the most youneeque event ever!!!!!!!

    (In case you are unfamiliar with sarcasm font:  just kidding.  You are welcome to steal away, obviously.  It's a beautiful passage and I'm always happy to be of help.  :-) )
  • FeeleyToBe said: lyndausvi said: FeeleyToBe said: I'm already seeing:

    Marriage = 1 man + 1 woman postings on my Facebook.  Not trying to stir shit, but I did ask someone what that gay couple was if they weren't "married."  Curious to see if they answer me.

    DH and I come from very Catholic families.   My nieces go to Catholic HS and college.  I have cousins who is a dean of students at a Catholic HS.    Most of our friends are also Catholic.
    All the posts I've seen are cheering the SCOTUS decision.   Everyone.  I have yet to see a post slamming the decision.      
    I'm happy about that. That is awesome.  The people I've seen post it are very active, faithful Catholics.  I asked one, not the other.  I have a feeling she won't respond.  Which is fine.  I'm just interested to know what it is if it isn't a marriage.

    Luckily, as a Catholic and a person who knows a lot of Catholics, the vast majority realize that following Christ means loving your neighbor. Also, people realize that the
    law is what grants equal rights in marriage and not just a priest's ceremony. While a priest's ceremony in a house of worship is good enough for the law to grant marital rights, conversely the law is not the sacrament of marriage.  Separation of Church and State, folks. Catholics don't control the law of the land. (Hope I'm making sense here. Work is making my brain fuzzy.) 
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  • @HeatherKat: don't know, don't care. I have always been in support of gay rights. I am thrilled for this day! :-)
    Not to take anything away from the day: Yay! So happy for you Americans! 

    However, I've actually broken up with people because they were uncomfortable being around gay people. Um, that's up to half the people I'm around on a regular basis. Not going to fly with me. To me that would be a fundamental belief that one needs to share with someone before sharing their life.
    **preemptive box shaming JIC**

    Truth. I'd never marry anyone who held those views. Hell, I don't associate with anyone with those views. I don't like assholes.
    Not only that, but I'll school your ass if you're ignorant with me. Don't use words like "Faggot" around me or I'll give you the entire history or witch burning. I did that to my little brother and his cronies when they were about 11 and used that word in front of me. Suffice it to say, that word hasn't been used in front of me again. 
  • This is gross, but someone on fb liked it, and I felt compelled to read it.

    https://www.facebook.com/PastorJackCCCH/posts/942343739120229

     

    My favourite comment:

    In the same passages where gay sex is condemned and punished, so is eating shrimp, crop co-mingling, eating rabbit, wearing linen and wool at the same time, and eating raw meat. So if you’re gonna be a Biblical literalist, you might as well start sewing your own clothes and becoming a vegetarian."

     

    Anyways, YAY USA! About time. So awesome.

    Also, this:

     

     

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