Hope you knotties in Alabama already got your marriage licenses...

flbride2015

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2015/jun/26/alabama-resumes-gay-marriage-licenses-not-everywhere/311713/

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Um. How can they do less than what the law requires? Am I missing something here?

OliveOilsMom

FeeleyToBe said:

Um. How can they do less than what the law requires? Am I missing something here?

Just like when former Gov Wallace refused to desegregate the University of Alabama.  President Kennedy sent in federalized National Guard troops to force the desegregation.  Federal courts had declared that schools must desegregate, but Alabama was the last to comply.  So Kennedy pressured him and eventually forced the desegregation with National Guard troops.  Similarly, President Obama could do something like this to enforce the right to marry in all non-complying counties.  While it probably won't happen with National Guard troops, federal funds could be withheld from the non-complying counties.

Hopefully, they all get their heads out of the asses soon.

lachattefatale

You'd think they'd have taken a history class or two and realize how foolish the die-hard segregationists looked.

hellosweetie1015

Alright, I'm coming out of lurking for this - My state will probably, by and large, refuse to conform until forced by the courts. This state is run mostly by scum, by most reasonable accounts, and they're scum in the Name of the Lord, which frankly makes it that much worse. But that means nothing in the long run, just as ol' Georgie Wallace's Stand in the Schoolhouse Door meant nothing. This is Judge Roy Moore's Stand in the Courthouse Door, and it - like Wallace's - will do nothing but further tarnish the reputations of all Alabamans, who do not necessarily share his hateful, bigoted beliefs. I hope he (along with any other politician preventing or postponing equal rights, like Louisiana's, Mississippi's, and Florida's, all of which have exactly ZERO counties issuing licenses to same sex couples, where we at least have a couple; thanks for just calling out Alabama, Fl[orida]Bride) are disbarred, and when they meet God at the pearly gates, are told they're on the list for Hell due to their generally bigoted, hypocritical, disgusting beliefs, done in the name of a God who, by all modern accounts, IS LOVE.

flbride2015

hellosweetie1015 said:

Alright, I'm coming out of lurking for this - My state will probably, by and large, refuse to conform until forced by the courts. This state is run mostly by scum, by most reasonable accounts, and they're scum in the Name of the Lord, which frankly makes it that much worse. But that means nothing in the long run, just as ol' Georgie Wallace's Stand in the Schoolhouse Door meant nothing. This is Judge Roy Moore's Stand in the Courthouse Door, and it - like Wallace's - will do nothing but further tarnish the reputations of all Alabamans, who do not necessarily share his hateful, bigoted beliefs. I hope he (along with any other politician preventing or postponing equal rights, like Louisiana's, Mississippi's, and Florida's, all of which have exactly ZERO counties issuing licenses to same sex couples, where we at least have a couple; thanks for just calling out Alabama, Fl[orida]Bride) are disbarred, and when they meet God at the pearly gates, are told they're on the list for Hell due to their generally bigoted, hypocritical, disgusting beliefs, done in the name of a God who, by all modern accounts, IS LOVE.

I promise you I have nothing against Alabama, or chose to knowingly ignore those other states. It just so happened that this came across my newsfeed this morning and the others didn't. That being said, I was under the impression Florida had been issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples since January 6th? I tried Googling it but all the refusal articles are from prior to the court ruling in Tallahassee?

Wegl13

I'm under the impression from this article and from a couple of other things: 1. It says that counties "may" issue marriage license, not that they must. It looks like some probate judges are taking this that they just aren't going to (Pike County for instance) at all- which is the stance some of them took back in February when this came up before and it became a state (Judge Moore's my boss) vs federal issue. I'm not going to knock these judges in SUPER conservative counties for basically being like "hey we are just not issuing any licenses at this very moment while we figure out what the hell is going on."
2. The ruling today was over the recognition of marriage (in other words, the overturning of gay marriage BANS), and not necessarily over the issuance of licenses to same-sex couples. Alabama is one of the states for which the issuance of licensure has been recently decided by a lower federal court, however; but this is slightly separate as far as I can tell.
Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not defending Alabama politicians here, and especially not Judge Jackass Moore, just trying to clarify what's going on in our wonderful, fucked up state. In related news our wedding photographer posted on Instagram "love is love" and basically we're super excited about starting to book same-sex weddings. Yay!

flbride2015

Btw, looks like we can add Arkansas and Texas to the list as well. That being said, I believe some of these are technicalities. Despite the ruling today I believe there's a process the states with bans have to go through before they can start issuing these licenses. I am not sure it's an immediate thing. So it's possible some aren't doing it just to be assholes.

redheadbride15

Oh there will be a few days or maybe weeks of bickering but at the end of it all these ultra-conservative regions just have to realize that the SCOTUS decision trumps all for now, and they will have to comply. 'Tis the nature of the social and political diversity of this country - you can't keep everyone happy.

hellosweetie1015

Wegl13 said:

I'm under the impression from this article and from a couple of other things:
1. It says that counties "may" issue marriage license, not that they must. It looks like some probate judges are taking this that they just aren't going to (Pike County for instance) at all- which is the stance some of them took back in February when this came up before and it became a state (Judge Moore's my boss) vs federal issue. I'm not going to knock these judges in SUPER conservative counties for basically being like "hey we are just not issuing any licenses at this very moment while we figure out what the hell is going on."


2. The ruling today was over the recognition of marriage (in other words, the overturning of gay marriage BANS), and not necessarily over the issuance of licenses to same-sex couples. Alabama is one of the states for which the issuance of licensure has been recently decided by a lower federal court, however; but this is slightly separate as far as I can tell.


Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not defending Alabama politicians here, and especially not Judge Jackass Moore, just trying to clarify what's going on in our wonderful, fucked up state. In related news our wedding photographer posted on Instagram "love is love" and basically we're super excited about starting to book same-sex weddings. Yay!

I think it covered both the right to marry and the right to have those marriages recognized. There are still issues to be resolved that I think the lower courts can handle, but overall the basic rights were covered.

And sorry, flbride, it just super frustrates me to see my home state being called out when other states are doing the same thing or worse.

Pike County is ultra conservative. I hope they're forced to reenter the "marriage business" or face federal contempt charges.

kimmiinthemitten

flbride2015 said:

Btw, looks like we can add Arkansas and Texas to the list as well. That being said, I believe some of these are technicalities. Despite the ruling today I believe there's a process the states with bans have to go through before they can start issuing these licenses. I am not sure it's an immediate thing. So it's possible some aren't doing it just to be assholes.

I'm in Michigan which was one of the state's defending the bans today (barf). The clerk for our largest county announced that she wouldn't turn anyone away as long as they were in line before 5 and would stay as long as it took to marry them! So happy not everyone in the mitten is ass backwards!

justsie

UGH TEXAS. I saw a video just today of a couple marrying in Dallas. I'm so confused as to what all of this means. I need cliffnotes.... I am off to go google for some. 

MyNameIsNot

flbride2015 said:

Btw, looks like we can add Arkansas and Texas to the list as well. That being said, I believe some of these are technicalities. Despite the ruling today I believe there's a process the states with bans have to go through before they can start issuing these licenses. I am not sure it's an immediate thing. So it's possible some aren't doing it just to be assholes.

I don't think that's true. Georgia counties were issuing licenses to same sex couples by noon, and we had a constitutional amendment. 

Alabama et al are dragging their feet because they want to, not because there's some technical reason they need to.