Wedding Woes

Stop talking about mothers.

Dear Prudence,

When she was 24, my girlfriend, “Lisa,” lost her mother to a sudden illness. By all accounts, Lisa’s mother was incredible—intelligent, accomplished, a pillar of the community. Five years later, Lisa still struggles with the loss. I know I will never truly understand what this loss feels like. My own mother is alive and well. I’ve tried to be supportive nevertheless. Lisa has been pretty clear that she has “little patience” for people who have bad relationships with their (living) mothers. My own mother was borderline abusive. She kicked me out for my sexual orientation, turned my siblings against each other, and cheated on my father for years. We do not have a good relationship. Lisa knows to not push me to make amends. However, I can tell she is impatient and displeased that I don’t “appreciate” my mother while she’s still alive. This is the only fight Lisa and I keep coming back to. In all other ways, we are compatible and she’s the love of my life. But I will never be close with my mother, and Lisa’s will never come back. Does this mean we will never get over this dynamic? Or should we just agree to put a moratorium on all mother-related discussions? What if this keeps coming up?

—Maternal Mismatch

Re: Stop talking about mothers.

  • Stop talking about it, but maybe this is one of the things you agree not to talk about (at least for now) in your relationship. 5 years isn’t that long, and what happens to you is horrible. Neither of you need to get the other to feel differently but maybe take a break from talking about your mothers. 
  • Drop it but should she keep picking it up you two may need to have  LONG conversation.

    A relationship that is toxic may not be one that *should* be salvaged and may need to be mourned sadly. 
  • short+sassyshort+sassy member
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    edited April 2021
    It sounds like this aspect of the relationship hinges on Lisa.  It's sad that Lisa lost her mother at a somewhat young age, but that doesn't mean she gets to be judgmental on the relationship that other people have with their parents.  Maybe some couples counseling sessions could help them both get greater depth in the other's perspective.
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  • I would suggest couples therapy to use as a mediator to see if they can come to an understanding.
  • On one hand, I understand how having something like losing a mother happen to you makes you feel something on a visceral level that you can always explain or express to other people that haven't experienced the same and sometimes even to people who have. 

    However, what Lisa is failing to understand is that people may have a visceral reaction to the fact that she had a good relationship with her mom if they have/had a downright terrible one with their moms.  And Lisa's judgement is just as hurtful to them as it is to Lisa that people don't have good relationships with their mom. If Lisa is still weaponizing her grief after all this time, she needs some therapy to help her process or else she may find herself very alone.  Furthermore it sounds like Lisa is in a LGBTQ relationship with LW, so this cannot be the first time she's come across people who have difficult or non-existent parental relationships with living parents. 
  • mrsconn23 said:
    On one hand, I understand how having something like losing a mother happen to you makes you feel something on a visceral level that you can always explain or express to other people that haven't experienced the same and sometimes even to people who have. 

    However, what Lisa is failing to understand is that people may have a visceral reaction to the fact that she had a good relationship with her mom if they have/had a downright terrible one with their moms.  And Lisa's judgement is just as hurtful to them as it is to Lisa that people don't have good relationships with their mom. If Lisa is still weaponizing her grief after all this time, she needs some therapy to help her process or else she may find herself very alone.  Furthermore it sounds like Lisa is in a LGBTQ relationship with LW, so this cannot be the first time she's come across people who have difficult or non-existent parental relationships with living parents. 
    Exactly.

    I remember years ago there was a Knottie that was devastated by the loss of a mother or MIL but her devastation reached the point that anytime that someone posted about legitimate conflict with a mom or MIL she'd chime in with "Well at least you have one," or the like and she failed to see that while her issue was grief due to death others can have grief due to toxic relationships and those may not be relationships that can be salvaged.  Sometimes BOTH people have something to mourn in their own way. 
  • mrsconn23 said:
    banana468 said:
    mrsconn23 said:
    On one hand, I understand how having something like losing a mother happen to you makes you feel something on a visceral level that you can always explain or express to other people that haven't experienced the same and sometimes even to people who have. 

    However, what Lisa is failing to understand is that people may have a visceral reaction to the fact that she had a good relationship with her mom if they have/had a downright terrible one with their moms.  And Lisa's judgement is just as hurtful to them as it is to Lisa that people don't have good relationships with their mom. If Lisa is still weaponizing her grief after all this time, she needs some therapy to help her process or else she may find herself very alone.  Furthermore it sounds like Lisa is in a LGBTQ relationship with LW, so this cannot be the first time she's come across people who have difficult or non-existent parental relationships with living parents. 
    Exactly.

    I remember years ago there was a Knottie that was devastated by the loss of a mother or MIL but her devastation reached the point that anytime that someone posted about legitimate conflict with a mom or MIL she'd chime in with "Well at least you have one," or the like and she failed to see that while her issue was grief due to death others can have grief due to toxic relationships and those may not be relationships that can be salvaged.  Sometimes BOTH people have something to mourn in their own way. 
    Ugh.  The worst.  

    I mean, I've been petty in my head about people.  But I seriously have a crapton of pragmatism because of therapy.  I've learned how to have a thought about someone and then in my head figure out why I'm having it before I ever get to the point of projection. 

    I'm struggling this week with someone I know that just lost their mom because they are being, in my mind, very publicly over-dramatic about every emotion they're having about it.  But I know this reaction has a lot to do with knowing I was just far more conservative because it's who I am and also because Saturday will be one year and I'm having extremely complicated emotions about it.  

    So I talked shit about this person to my therapist yesterday.  LOL 

    I'm not perfect, but I think I've gotten pretty good at not working my shit out on people.  
    When my aunt passed I felt that way a bit.  She was SUPER private.  Like, had four people at her wedding (I was her flower girl, my brother was a ring teddy bear (his named title) and they had a BM and MOH.  She never wanted a big birthday party, and in Covid there was no funeral.  This was NOT a surprise.  When her friends were hitting up social media with "I am SO DEVASTATED THAT MY DEAR FRIEND IS DEAD" (seriously all caps, in the reverse font, black background, I vented non stop to DH and mutual family members because I'm sure that the friend was said but also that if the aunt was alive she WOULD NOT WANT this.  Months later I "celebrated" her birthday at our house and had my uncle and ILs over.   Same friend chimed in again when she saw a picture of the same aunt and me posted.  I commented, "We know how she hated her picture taken.  I'm grateful to have this one framed." and the friend chimed in, "I'm so LUCKY to have TWO PHOTOS of her," 

    I vented to my brother and DH and again we all agreed - this was a woman who may be both attention seeking and just didn't know the aunt the way we knew.  And FFS - STFU. 
  • mrsconn23mrsconn23 member
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    edited April 2021
    banana468 said:
    mrsconn23 said:
    banana468 said:
    mrsconn23 said:
    On one hand, I understand how having something like losing a mother happen to you makes you feel something on a visceral level that you can always explain or express to other people that haven't experienced the same and sometimes even to people who have. 

    However, what Lisa is failing to understand is that people may have a visceral reaction to the fact that she had a good relationship with her mom if they have/had a downright terrible one with their moms.  And Lisa's judgement is just as hurtful to them as it is to Lisa that people don't have good relationships with their mom. If Lisa is still weaponizing her grief after all this time, she needs some therapy to help her process or else she may find herself very alone.  Furthermore it sounds like Lisa is in a LGBTQ relationship with LW, so this cannot be the first time she's come across people who have difficult or non-existent parental relationships with living parents. 
    Exactly.

    I remember years ago there was a Knottie that was devastated by the loss of a mother or MIL but her devastation reached the point that anytime that someone posted about legitimate conflict with a mom or MIL she'd chime in with "Well at least you have one," or the like and she failed to see that while her issue was grief due to death others can have grief due to toxic relationships and those may not be relationships that can be salvaged.  Sometimes BOTH people have something to mourn in their own way. 
    Ugh.  The worst.  

    I mean, I've been petty in my head about people.  But I seriously have a crapton of pragmatism because of therapy.  I've learned how to have a thought about someone and then in my head figure out why I'm having it before I ever get to the point of projection. 

    I'm struggling this week with someone I know that just lost their mom because they are being, in my mind, very publicly over-dramatic about every emotion they're having about it.  But I know this reaction has a lot to do with knowing I was just far more conservative because it's who I am and also because Saturday will be one year and I'm having extremely complicated emotions about it.  

    So I talked shit about this person to my therapist yesterday.  LOL 

    I'm not perfect, but I think I've gotten pretty good at not working my shit out on people.  
    When my aunt passed I felt that way a bit.  She was SUPER private.  Like, had four people at her wedding (I was her flower girl, my brother was a ring teddy bear (his named title) and they had a BM and MOH.  She never wanted a big birthday party, and in Covid there was no funeral.  This was NOT a surprise.  When her friends were hitting up social media with "I am SO DEVASTATED THAT MY DEAR FRIEND IS DEAD" (seriously all caps, in the reverse font, black background, I vented non stop to DH and mutual family members because I'm sure that the friend was said but also that if the aunt was alive she WOULD NOT WANT this.  Months later I "celebrated" her birthday at our house and had my uncle and ILs over.   Same friend chimed in again when she saw a picture of the same aunt and me posted.  I commented, "We know how she hated her picture taken.  I'm grateful to have this one framed." and the friend chimed in, "I'm so LUCKY to have TWO PHOTOS of her," 

    I vented to my brother and DH and again we all agreed - this was a woman who may be both attention seeking and just didn't know the aunt the way we knew.  And FFS - STFU. 
    Oh FFS, *I* hate this woman.  It's NOT a competition KAREN. 
  • banana468 said:
    mrsconn23 said:
    banana468 said:
    mrsconn23 said:
    On one hand, I understand how having something like losing a mother happen to you makes you feel something on a visceral level that you can always explain or express to other people that haven't experienced the same and sometimes even to people who have. 

    However, what Lisa is failing to understand is that people may have a visceral reaction to the fact that she had a good relationship with her mom if they have/had a downright terrible one with their moms.  And Lisa's judgement is just as hurtful to them as it is to Lisa that people don't have good relationships with their mom. If Lisa is still weaponizing her grief after all this time, she needs some therapy to help her process or else she may find herself very alone.  Furthermore it sounds like Lisa is in a LGBTQ relationship with LW, so this cannot be the first time she's come across people who have difficult or non-existent parental relationships with living parents. 
    Exactly.

    I remember years ago there was a Knottie that was devastated by the loss of a mother or MIL but her devastation reached the point that anytime that someone posted about legitimate conflict with a mom or MIL she'd chime in with "Well at least you have one," or the like and she failed to see that while her issue was grief due to death others can have grief due to toxic relationships and those may not be relationships that can be salvaged.  Sometimes BOTH people have something to mourn in their own way. 
    Ugh.  The worst.  

    I mean, I've been petty in my head about people.  But I seriously have a crapton of pragmatism because of therapy.  I've learned how to have a thought about someone and then in my head figure out why I'm having it before I ever get to the point of projection. 

    I'm struggling this week with someone I know that just lost their mom because they are being, in my mind, very publicly over-dramatic about every emotion they're having about it.  But I know this reaction has a lot to do with knowing I was just far more conservative because it's who I am and also because Saturday will be one year and I'm having extremely complicated emotions about it.  

    So I talked shit about this person to my therapist yesterday.  LOL 

    I'm not perfect, but I think I've gotten pretty good at not working my shit out on people.  
    When my aunt passed I felt that way a bit.  She was SUPER private.  Like, had four people at her wedding (I was her flower girl, my brother was a ring teddy bear (his named title) and they had a BM and MOH.  She never wanted a big birthday party, and in Covid there was no funeral.  This was NOT a surprise.  When her friends were hitting up social media with "I am SO DEVASTATED THAT MY DEAR FRIEND IS DEAD" (seriously all caps, in the reverse font, black background, I vented non stop to DH and mutual family members because I'm sure that the friend was said but also that if the aunt was alive she WOULD NOT WANT this.  Months later I "celebrated" her birthday at our house and had my uncle and ILs over.   Same friend chimed in again when she saw a picture of the same aunt and me posted.  I commented, "We know how she hated her picture taken.  I'm grateful to have this one framed." and the friend chimed in, "I'm so LUCKY to have TWO PHOTOS of her," 

    I vented to my brother and DH and again we all agreed - this was a woman who may be both attention seeking and just didn't know the aunt the way we knew.  And FFS - STFU. 
    bolded 1 - cute a.f

    bolded 2 - of course .... guh
  • mrsconn23 said:
    banana468 said:
    mrsconn23 said:
    On one hand, I understand how having something like losing a mother happen to you makes you feel something on a visceral level that you can always explain or express to other people that haven't experienced the same and sometimes even to people who have. 

    However, what Lisa is failing to understand is that people may have a visceral reaction to the fact that she had a good relationship with her mom if they have/had a downright terrible one with their moms.  And Lisa's judgement is just as hurtful to them as it is to Lisa that people don't have good relationships with their mom. If Lisa is still weaponizing her grief after all this time, she needs some therapy to help her process or else she may find herself very alone.  Furthermore it sounds like Lisa is in a LGBTQ relationship with LW, so this cannot be the first time she's come across people who have difficult or non-existent parental relationships with living parents. 
    Exactly.

    I remember years ago there was a Knottie that was devastated by the loss of a mother or MIL but her devastation reached the point that anytime that someone posted about legitimate conflict with a mom or MIL she'd chime in with "Well at least you have one," or the like and she failed to see that while her issue was grief due to death others can have grief due to toxic relationships and those may not be relationships that can be salvaged.  Sometimes BOTH people have something to mourn in their own way. 
    Ugh.  The worst.  

    I mean, I've been petty in my head about people.  But I seriously have a crapton of pragmatism because of therapy.  I've learned how to have a thought about someone and then in my head figure out why I'm having it before I ever get to the point of projection. 

    I'm struggling this week with someone I know that just lost their mom because they are being, in my mind, very publicly over-dramatic about every emotion they're having about it.  But I know this reaction has a lot to do with knowing I was just far more conservative because it's who I am and also because Saturday will be one year and I'm having extremely complicated emotions about it.  

    So I talked shit about this person to my therapist yesterday.  LOL 

    I'm not perfect, but I think I've gotten pretty good at not working my shit out on people.  
    This right here. Does everyone get it right all of the time? Nope. But also grief doesn’t give us license to work out crap out on other people either. 
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