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Wedding Woes

LW, you're protesting too much.

Dear Prudence,

About a year ago, I moved to a very expensive European city. I got a huge promotion and started making almost double what I did before. Shortly before the move, I had realized that I had gotten into some poor spending and eating habits, and I wanted to change those.
I realized that I had been buying and eating my emotions. I started cooking more and paying for experiences rather than stuff. I was so much more fulfilled. As an added bonus, my savings account ballooned. I was shocked at how little money I could spend in such an expensive city. I started doing really interesting things and taking dream trips. It’s really been an amazing year.

A few weeks ago, I came home for a wedding and saw some of my old friends. They started talking about all their travel plans, and I chimed in with mine. They were quick to steer the conversation back to them. After a few times of this happening, I got upset and asked them why they weren’t letting me join in the conversation. They said they felt like I was throwing my lavish lifestyle in their faces. They had always wanted to travel to Europe but had never “gotten the chance” and that I “got lucky” with my job. I was upset, but couldn’t figure out my feelings exactly, so I left. A few days later, a friend of mine tried to apologize, but basically told me again that she and my friends felt it was unfair that they had been working so hard and never gotten to do something so interesting. I finally realized why I was upset: They felt like I, their former low-earning friend, didn’t deserve the lifestyle I had made. The thing is, yes, I do spend on things that other people consider luxuries, but I also don’t buy a lot of stuff. I don’t go out to fancy restaurants very often; I like the cute holes-in-the-wall that still have amazing food. I cook a lot for myself. I don’t buy designer purses, or just anything I saw on Amazon that I thought I might want. I don’t spend a lot of money on travel, I find budget options for airfare and accommodations.

My friends, however, spend a ton of money on things they never use or want. They don’t cook often and that comes at a price. I now make only slightly more than they do; however, they have made a lot of money in a low-cost city for years and have wasted that money on luxury rentals and nice cars and expensive food. They never prioritized travel or nice experiences the way I have. I am considering telling them this. A part of me wants to tell them to show them how to live a budget-friendly life, but a part of me knows any communication would just be throwing my lifestyle back in their face. Should I tell them how I prioritize money?

— Bestie Budget Problems

Re: LW, you're protesting too much.

  • I think you're likely phasing away from these friends simply based on your lifestyle.  Let it play out. You seem to be incompatible but also - stop criticizing them.  That's not going to go well either.  
  • You don’t have to be friends with people you don’t like. 

    But I wonder if there is any introspection from the LW here. The friends say they feel LW is throwing it in their faces- is there any truth to that? LW should absolutely get to freely participate in a conversation but if their friends are all feeling bad about how those are going maybe it’s time to check inward. 
  • You sound like you’re coming off like a college student newly returned from study abroad bragging to everyone about how fascinating Europe is. 
  • mrsconn23mrsconn23 member
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    edited April 2022
    You sound like you’re coming off like a college student newly returned from study abroad bragging to everyone about how fascinating Europe is. 
    Exactly.  I bet LW is coming off as super snotty and elitist as they think they  unlocked the keys to the universe....because they figured out how live a simple life in a foreign country on a budget and cook for themselves? 

    Literally no one cares that your flat is above the most darling trattoria where you can smell the wonderful food they cook all day and the owner knows you as the American and winks at you and adds a little extra to your order.  You just sound like an asshole. 
  • mrsconn23 said:
    You sound like you’re coming off like a college student newly returned from study abroad bragging to everyone about how fascinating Europe is. 
    Exactly.  I bet LW is coming off as super snotty and elitist as they think they  unlocked the keys to the universe....because they figured out how live a simple life in a foreign country on a budget and cook for themselves? 

    Literally no one cares that your flat is above the most darling trattoria where you can smell the wonderful food they cook all day and the owner knows you as the American and winks at you and adds a little extra to your order.  You just sound like an asshole. 
    That's what I wonder.  Is LW wanting to stay friends with these people or are they wanting to just be the "true leader and teacher in all things"?  
  • I'm glad you found a life that works for you and that you enjoy so much. That said, I do think you need to examine your most recent interactions with these friends and see if there's anything you could have done differently. Were you bragging too much about your lifestyle in Europe? Did you keep interrupting their talk of their travel plans to talk about your own? There's a fine line between telling people your news and rubbing it in their faces, and there's also a fine line between finding someone's stories interesting and getting tired of their boasting, especially when a difference in lifestyle is involved. 

    Whatever you do next, do not, not, NOT lecture these friends on how to live their lives. That will only make things worse. I say go on enjoying your life, but next time, if any, that you see these people, hang back a little and don't be so eager/desperate to tell them how wonderful your life is compared to theirs. 


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  • I also wish I could have heard this conversation to determine for myself who was "maybe" being the bigger jerk.  I suspect there was some "wrong" on both sides.

    But what's pushing me more on the "friends side" is that the LW is judging how they spend their money.  And is now, after the fact, wanting to go back and tell them "how to do it better".

    I'm a lot like the LW in how I prioritize my money.  I also think a lot of people spend too frivolously on expensive wants, while complaining they can't afford XYZ (more important things).  But what they choose to do with their money isn't my business.

    If someone complains about being broke or a natural opportunity like that pops up, I'll talk about what I do to help my own finances.  It's a way to help, without judgment on how they spend their money.  They can pick and choose what parts of my advice they like and would work for them and leave the rest.  Or make no changes.

    In the moment, but not after the fact, is where the LW could have better made their point.  Saying something like, "I'm so sorry you had that impression!  It has been an exciting job opportunity, but I also live pretty frugally so that I can afford to travel." 
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  • ei34ei34 member
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    edited April 2022
    Yeah a big part of the problem is how LW must be coming off.  I found the letter braggy and it was a written, premeditated message...I can't imagine how they must sound live and off-the-cuff.  Hard eyeroll at home cooking vs. takeout and not buying extravagant, unnecessary items being the keys to living the life in Europe, because that's pretty much everyone I know.

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  • Hubby has had this issue with Larp.  We save a lot, and he spends his extra money on cool props and armour.  But he has had people say nasty things to him that it must be nice to be so rich to afford all this stuff while they have crap costumes.  Well, no ... he's been saving for this for years, he sacrifices in order to have it.  He isn't flaunting it, but sometimes people just see what they want to have and aren't willing to sacrifice for and run their mouths.  I have no idea if this is what is happening with LW, but maybe?

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