Wedding Woes

Ugh

Dear Prudence,

My wife, “Valerie,” has always despised my Uncle “Sal.” She doesn’t just dislike him—she openly calls him names, dismisses him as “garbage,” and acts like anyone who laughs at his stories is morally defective. To be fair, Sal can be a lot—he tells loud, crude stories from his fraternity days, and they often include things that are, by today’s standards, offensive. I grew up around him, and in my family, those stories have always just been background noise—sometimes dumb, sometimes inappropriate, but not something we took seriously or modeled our behavior on.

Before a recent family gathering, Valerie told me I needed to “handle” Sal and make sure he didn’t tell any of his stories. I told her I’d take care of it. Here’s where things went wrong. I spoke to Sal and told him to keep things appropriate around the kids. Later that night, after the children had gone to bed, Sal started telling one of his old stories to a smaller group of adults, including my mother-in-law. I didn’t stop him. For context, the story was about a party where Sal and his friends ran a contest rating women’s bodies and making crude, sexist comments about them—something he now laughs about as harmless fun, but that clearly objectifies women and would be deeply offensive to my wife.

In my mind, I was honoring the spirit of what Valerie wanted—keeping that kind of content completely away from our kids. But I’ll admit, I didn’t think it was reasonable for her to dictate what a group of adults could or couldn’t talk about privately after the kids were out of earshot. It felt like I was trying to strike a fair balance between respecting my wife and not policing every word spoken in my extended family.

Unfortunately, Valerie found out. She was furious. She accused me of betraying her, of being “spineless,” and of deliberately going behind her back. She says I violated a clear boundary and proved that I can’t be trusted. Since then, she’s been talking about leaving, packing a bag, and taking the kids to her mother’s house unless I “start taking her seriously.”

I love my wife and my daughters, and I never intended to hurt anyone or create this kind of rift. But I also feel like I’m being put in a position where anything short of total compliance is treated as betrayal. I don’t know how to reconcile her expectations with what feels like a reasonable amount of autonomy for me and for other adults. Did I betray my wife’s trust, or is she drawing the line in a way that no one could realistically meet? And more importantly, how do I fix this before it’s too late?

Re: Ugh

  • banana468banana468 member
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    You are such an asshat LW.  Your MIL didn't stop your family member?  Way to try to get out of being an adult and speaking up for what's right. You're a doormat to your family's misogyny, LW.  The issue is that you are taking the approach of the least resistance rather than calling the behavior out for what it is.

    The stories were always offensive.  The only thing that changed is that women now are more empowered to speak up.  Your wife is and you better listen.

    Also, what's your game plan here?  If you have daughters, at some point the girls are going to be growing up and maturing.  Their bedtimes will be later and they'll have more adult-looking bodies.  What's your overall plan when your own family member tells them stories that are objectifying women?  What's the plan if you have sons and they hear this as "normal" and no one puts a stop to it??  Your wife is serious because she's clear on a boundary and you are not getting it. 
  • She's not leaving because of one incident, she's leaving because she is seeing who you are. You are the guy who makes excuses for the worst among us, rather than the guy who stands up and says "gross, Sal." 

    We keep saying all the time that we're never going to make any reason progress until men start calling out other men. This is exactly why. You suck.
  • banana468banana468 member
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    She's not leaving because of one incident, she's leaving because she is seeing who you are. You are the guy who makes excuses for the worst among us, rather than the guy who stands up and says "gross, Sal." 

    We keep saying all the time that we're never going to make any reason progress until men start calling out other men. This is exactly why. You suck.
    RIght!  If DH didn't speak up my answer would be clear, "Your failure to advocate for what's right means I have distrust in your integrity and lose faith in how you will raise our kids."
  • I suspect, LW, that your handling of the situation with your uncle is a symptom of a much bigger problem in your marriage. If that was the only issue, I don't think your wife would be talking about leaving you. I'm guessing you're someone who goes along a lot of things that you shouldn't because it makes your life easier and that you rarely, if ever, truly listen to her about anything.
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  • Your wife is leaving you because you don’t see that Sal subjecting everyone around him to offensive stories is a problem, she was just giving you one last chance to actually stand up and do something about it, you didn’t and you showed her that you really don’t think it’s a problem to routinely discuss demeaning women as a fun “Friday night after dinner conversation”. 
  • banana468banana468 member
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    I also still think about how he said, "MIL didn't speak up." 

    Right.  She didn't voice a complaint to your relative in the moment to a story that was offensive.  She did what we advise here and likely spoke to her daughter who probably has stated over and over again that this jerk is such a menace.

    And he also doesn't think that he did anything wrong to his wife even though he hasn't done what she asked yet.  He didn't put a stop to the shenanigans.  He just started to be a quiet guy in front of the kids.  Sure, those impressionable are those who should hear it least but should anyone hear it? 
  • daisynoahdaisynoah member
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    You didn’t betray your wife in the sense of secretly encouraging Sal or exposing your kids to inappropriate behavior. You did try to set limits, and you followed through on keeping the stories away from the children. But from Valerie’s perspective, this probably feels bigger than one story. She likely sees Sal’s behavior as degrading and harmful, and when you allowed it to continue after promising to “handle it,” she interpreted that as you minimizing something she finds deeply important.

    At the same time, her expectation that you completely control what other adults say in a private conversation may not be realistic. You can set boundaries for your home and your children, but you cannot fully police another adult’s speech without creating constant conflict. The real issue seems less about the exact story and more about trust, values, and whether she feels emotionally supported by you when family tensions happen.

    What may help now is avoiding the debate over who is “right” and focusing instead on understanding the emotional meaning behind it. A productive conversation sounds more like:
    “I understand why you feel let down. I thought I was balancing things reasonably, but I can see you experienced it as me not taking your concerns seriously. I want us to figure out boundaries together that both of us can realistically live with.”

    You also need clarity going forward. Does she want the kids shielded from Sal’s stories? No sexist jokes in shared family spaces? Limited contact entirely? Those are concrete boundaries. But “make Sal stop being Sal everywhere” is probably not sustainable.

    The goal now is less about winning the argument and more about rebuilding the sense that you and your wife are on the same team.

  • levioosalevioosa member
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    Can AI just stooppppppp


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