Very frustrated (NWR Vent)

MidnightMare

I am hoping you guys will understand where I am coming from. I just need to vent and dont know where else I can do it hopefully without getting flamed.

If I see one more status or crying person about Steve Jobs passing I might scream! Don't get me wrong, I am sad to hear of any passing, espically someone who gave us a few great things like a competitive operating system for the comuters we use daily and some really great movies. He was also a great leader. I am just so frustrated by the fact that a man who created a computer operating system and a film studio gets significantly more recognition in both the media and even to go as far as FB status's then the men and woman who risk their lives evey day to keep all of us safe enough to enjoy them. I dont remember the last time I saw anything on FB or even more then a few articles on the news about the casualties in the war we are fighting to this day. We all as Americans need to step back and remember those both past and present who fight everyday for our rights!

Sorry, end rant!

prettyirishgirl

I wont flame you . I agree it is really sad, but I also think that it is crazy how much light everything gets sometime compared to other things that are at least equally if not more deserving. I also feel all that nonsense on FB and elsewhere coff twitter coff coff is unnecessary and very sheep ish if you get my meaning. they don't really care that much and that is what really bugs the crap out of me.

divinemsbee

Ok, I get that. But some people were legitimately affected by him and his innovation. He seemed to be a very smart and very caring person. Do I personally feel really super-sad, no. Do I think other people have a right to, yes. It's like saying that you can't post about football or how lousy your work day was because there are people dying of hunger in Somalia and women being raped as a war tactic in the Congo and Sudan. Horrible things happen every single day all over the world, and we all pick and choose the ones we care about. If we try to care about everything every day, we would slowly lose our minds.

Do I think that if the "War On Terror" had been televised like Vietnam that we might have more people who know what's up, yes. I do. We don't have pictures of coffins coming home and video taken from the helicopters coming through the t.v. every night . Maybe we should.

I don't think Steve Jobs on the whole got a ton more attention than the military, I think that a lot is coming today with his death or would come when Apple released a new product, but I never saw something about him every day. I think there is a lot of representation of the military on news programs I watch. There's at least one homecoming or soldier's story (usually involving a dog) on CNN almost every day. I respect the hell out of my FI and other service members who do their jobs that, frankly, I couldn't.

P.S. I mean none of this in a flaming way, trust me, I get being annoyed by things like that, the Michael Jackson RIPs almost did me in.

This song went through my head after reading this (NSFW, and not meant meanly):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BN1jSpiyIM&feature=related

MidnightMare

I I was hot headed after a long day, so I apologize for perhaps not properly explaing my frustrations. He was very much a solid leader and had an impact on my peoples lives. He was a great guy and will be missed fror sure! Its not at all that I feel he doesnt deserve to be mourned by any means. I just wish that other people who do great and noble things got as much media attention as these "celeberties".

When the helicopter full of soldiers, some of them from the same unit as those who took down Osama only a short time before was shot down, I saw one headline on each site that only ran for a few days. I think that part of the problem is we arent forcing people to see the war like they did during Vietnam, so to them its easy to forget its happening. I think maybe we should be showing people the coffins of the soliders, then they will see these people as tangible lives with real people attached. They are removed from it because its not right in from of them. I live in a non-military area near NYC, and I dont remember the last headline I saw that had to do with anything besides criminals, politics or wall street and money. I honestly cannot tell you the last time I saw anything posted about the great work firefighters did saving a home, EMT's did saving the father of 3 little kids, or the soldiers who save countless lives every day.

I do not mean to say other people are unworthy and the soldiers deserve to be on some pedistol. I just wish others who died doing or having done great things for less $ on a smaller scale got as much recognition as those who did great thiings and made copious amounts of money doing it...

As far as Michael Jackson, Amy Winehouse, ect... They made personal choices that ended in their untimely deaths. Is it a sad day and is it a sad thing thats the path they went down, yes, but they made the choice to take that drink, do that drug, ect... They are not heros, they are more people to offered great things to an industry who made bad choices with deatly concequesces....


P.S I got a huge kick out of that video, thank for posting it!

LetsHikeToday

I honestly think it's the line of work.

Not saying it is right or wrong but the more famous people are, the bigger deal when they die. It's life.

However, I will say that I believe military members and honored and revered a lot even if specific people aren't talked about in the media.

calindi

Wow, this is the first I heard that Steve Jobs died.  I just looked it up on CNN.  Way to have my head in the sand, huh?

I hate hearing about death in general, and cancer specifically really hits me hard due to a lot of unfortunate personal experience with it.  I will not watch that movie 50/50 no matter what, it just would be emotional torture for me.  So I'm really very sad to hear about him passing.

That said, I do think the military doesn't get as much recognition as it deserves, but I think that's part of the beauty of the military.  The individuals are part of the greater purpose, and they don't go out every day to have the world know their name.  Most living Medal of Honor winners are really reluctant to take any spotlight and are rather shy about the accomplishment and downplay their heroism.  I can only imagine the ones who passed would feel the same one - it isn't that they aren't proud (they're incredibly proud) but they don't like or need the spotlight.

I know if FI ever was hurt or killed in the line of duty, he'd want a quiet personal memorial, not something with news cameras and people interviewing his family and friends right afterwards.  I honestly think the fame is detremental to the grieving process for the loved ones left behind.  So I'm not bothered that the news doesn't personally identify and talk about each individual service member who dies, because I wouldn't want them talking about mine if the worst were to happen.  I wouldn't want to have a microphone stuffed in my face to ask how I'm coping as I leave the funeral.  I just would want to be left the heck alone with my family and friends.

ggirl2001

I'm going to have to disagree, I think Steve Jobs is much more than a celebrity. He worked hard to get where he was in life and was a visionary genius. I think its sad that this nation does not respect visionary geniuses like him anymore and instead more people are looking to get rick quick or have 15 minutes of fame. I would much rather see a 1000 facebook posts about Steve Jobs dying instead of a 1000 facebook posts about a celebrity/sports athlete etc. I think he contributed much more to society than any other "celebrity" could have.

And ditto the other posts about the military being revered, even if its not always in the media. I don't think someone/something has to be mentioned in the media to be given the respect they deserve. I think it can be given in other ways.

amh04

In Response to Re: Very frustrated (NWR Vent):
[QUOTE]I'm going to have to disagree, I think Steve Jobs is much more than a celebrity. He worked hard to get where he was in life and was a visionary genius. I think its sad that this nation does not respect visionary geniuses like him anymore and instead more people are looking to get rick quick or have 15 minutes of fame. I would much rather see a 1000 facebook posts about Steve Jobs dying instead of a 1000 facebook posts about a celebrity/sports athlete etc. I think he contributed much more to society than any other "celebrity" could have. And ditto the other posts about the military being revered, even if its not always in the media. I don't think someone/something has to be mentioned in the media to be given the respect they deserve. I think it can be given in other ways.
Posted by ggirl2001[/QUOTE]

My line of work wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for Steve Jobs. Literally. He was an extremely brilliant man who worked hard to get where he got in life. He is proof that everyone deserves a chance, he was adopted and he never graduated from college. But look what he did with his life. He was extraordinary.

As far as the military goes - I agree with Beach- they don't need to be mentioned in the news to be given respect. Find this morbid of me to say but if FI while deployed were to die I would not want it mentioned in the news. Not at all. That is something so private, too private to share. I do agree that Support for the Troops has declined though. There used to be so much more patriotism and so much more support and pride than there is now.

firsttimersluck

I would much rather see everyone RIPing Steve than some kardashian that did something funny. Just saying...
People can be affected by whomever they want... I totally get hating people's statuses that are suuuper dumb like "posting this as your status will donat 7 dollars to blahblablah" because you know they're a total lie and people are just dumb to believe it..
But RIPing someone that genuinely gave to this world an incredible amount I can't be upset over.
I see a TON of military satuses every day... But that could be because more than half of my friends ARE military... So I can't really argue yay or ney on that one. :P

KendallR10

I don't mind seeing stuff about Steve Jobs. He was an amazing man. 

You have to remember that most people think the war is over. They have no idea what is going on over there. 

I HATE when people try and get me to give money for things for the troops. 

calindi

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[QUOTE]I don't mind seeing stuff about Steve Jobs. He was an amazing man.  <strong>You have to remember that most people think the war is over.</strong> They have no idea what is going on over there.  <strong>I HATE when people try and get me to give money for things for the troops. </strong>
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

What world do you live in???  People know there's a war.  There was just a living Medal of Honor recipient who got a decent amount of news coverage, the downed helicopter with the Navy SEALS, the asassination of Osama bin Laden.  People just don't have it in their face, so it's not an every day topic of conversation for most civilians.  But that doesn't mean they are so naive that think the war is over.

And why do you hate when people ask you to give money for things for the troops?  If people are asking you to give money, that would indicate that they know there's a war...

You hurt my head.

AmandaSC1988

I get annoyed when people act like they personally knew the man and now think Apple is going to crash and burn without him.

He was a great CEO, and visionary. That is all we knew him for, which isn't saying much. Did he "invent" the iPhone, iPad, iPod? No, that isn't the CEOs job. His job was to sell you the idea, which he did a fantastic job at. Yes, Apple was ahead of the curve on a lot of innovative technologies, but Steve Jobs wasn't doing the developing, they hire people to do that....
 
Was he a good person? I don't know. He could have beat his wife or embezzled millions of dollars. I don't know. I do know he wasn't known for his philanthropy which in my mind says a lot about a multi-million dollar man.

crownsuperstar

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Very frustrated (NWR Vent) : What world do you live in???  People know there's a war.  There was just a living Medal of Honor recipient who got a decent amount of news coverage, the downed helicopter with the Navy SEALS, the asassination of Osama bin Laden.  People just don't have it in their face, so it's not an every day topic of conversation for most civilians.  But that doesn't mean they are so naive that think the war is over. And why do you hate when people ask you to give money for things for the troops?  If people are asking you to give money, that would indicate that they know there's a war... <strong>You hurt my head.
</strong>Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]

Thank you C!  I thought I was just having a really bad day!

I am greatful when people ask me to donate to the troops and I always do.  It makes me know that people have not/will not forget about the troops.  A little piece of me also thinks that maybe H will get a fun little something because of this. 

Off soap box and going to find a head ache powder!

KendallR10

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Very frustrated (NWR Vent) : What world do you live in???  People know there's a war.  There was just a living Medal of Honor recipient who got a decent amount of news coverage, the downed helicopter with the Navy SEALS, the asassination of Osama bin Laden.  People just don't have it in their face, so it's not an every day topic of conversation for most civilians.  But that doesn't mean they are so naive that think the war is over. And why do you hate when people ask you to give money for things for the troops?  If people are asking you to give money, that would indicate that they know there's a war... You hurt my head.
Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]
Most people think the war is over just because we caught bin Laden. They think the worst part is over.<div>
</div><div>Why should I give my money to a company to send xmas cards to troops when I could do that myself?</div>

calindi

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Very frustrated (NWR Vent) : Most people think the war is over just because we caught bin Laden. They think the worst part is over. Why should I give my money to a company to send xmas cards to troops when I could do that myself?
Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

I don't know what idiots you hang out with, but everyone I associate with definitely knows the war is still going on.  And this isn't even military sorts.

There's also a big difference between "the worst part is over" and the war being over.  I do believe the worst part is over, and it has nothing to do with bin Laden being killed - more to do with the fact that it only took us a few months to kill his replacement rather than a few years.  They're on the run, we're getting the region stabilized and starting to withdraw troops.  It's a long way to go, but it's a start.

And DO you send Christmas cards to the troops?  Because if not, then it's perfectly reasonable to give a few bucks to someone who will, if you think that's valuable.  I donate to groups that offer summer camps for children of deployed service members, I have helped with fundraisers to send care packages to troops.  There's a reason people do these things, and generally their efforts are appreciated.  You don't have to donate, but why hate on someone asking for things for the troops rather than any other cause?

crownsuperstar

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Very frustrated (NWR Vent) : Most people think the war is over just because we caught bin Laden. They think the worst part is over. <strong>Why should I give my money to a company to send xmas cards to troops when I could do that myself?
</strong>Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

I am not sure what circles you run in but no one that I know thinks the war is over because he is dead. 

FYI we did not "catch" it was a "kill."  Difference big time!

Becuase it is a nice thing to do and some people do not have anyone that would/could send cards. 

KendallR10

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Very frustrated (NWR Vent) : I don't know what idiots you hang out with, but everyone I associate with definitely knows the war is still going on.  And this isn't even military sorts. There's also a big difference between "the worst part is over" and the war being over.  I do believe the worst part is over, and it has nothing to do with bin Laden being killed - more to do with the fact that it only took us a few months to kill his replacement rather than a few years.  They're on the run, we're getting the region stabilized and starting to withdraw troops.  It's a long way to go, but it's a start. And DO you send Christmas cards to the troops?  Because if not, then it's perfectly reasonable to give a few bucks to someone who will, if you think that's valuable.  I donate to groups that offer summer camps for children of deployed service members, I have helped with fundraisers to send care packages to troops.  There's a reason people do these things, and generally their efforts are appreciated.  You don't have to donate, but why hate on someone asking for things for the troops rather than any other cause?
Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]

<div>Yeah I do send cards to the troops. I sent cards to my FIs entire BN when they were deployed last year. This year my BFF and I have adopted a unit for x-mas. </div><div>
</div><div>I don't mind like the bell ringers. Its when I'm put on the spot and they make me feel like sh!t that I hate.</div>

firsttimersluck

wtf kendall.. seriously... You're acting your age again.

The news coverage over Osama Bin Laden made it INCREDIBLY clear that the war is NOT over. In fact, quite the opposite because people are pissed and there is kick back from that kind of bi gname death.

And then Sept 11th 10th anniv. was just this year, so people are even MORE aware of the troops we still have over there and how we're still "fighting terror" (I put that in quotes because i find it humorous that we can declare war on an idea.. just sayin :P ).

Calindi you took the words right out of my mouth "you hurt my head"
I think I've  given up. Now it's just gonna makes me laugh.

ggirl2001

Kendall, FTL likes and tolerates everyone. She's awesome like that. If you've managed to annoy her, its an amazing feat. 

LetsHikeToday

Kendall-

I'm really trying hard to understand you but I'm a little confused as to what you're talking about when it comes to money and troops.

Why do you hate when people offer to give you money for the troops? What do you mean by giving money to a company to send christmas cards when you an do it on your own?

firsttimersluck

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[QUOTE]Kendall, FTL likes and tolerates everyone. She's awesome like that. If you've managed to annoy her, its an amazing feat. 
Posted by ggirl2001[/QUOTE]

tehehehehe :o)
Oh boy, I'm enjoying this board todaaaaayyyyy :] I don't think I have ever seen it so active!

AmandaSC1988

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[QUOTE]wtf kendall.. seriously... You're acting your age again. The news coverage over Osama Bin Laden made it INCREDIBLY clear that the war is NOT over. In fact, quite the opposite because people are pissed and there is kick back from that kind of bi gname death. And then Sept 11th 10th anniv. was just this year, so people are even MORE aware of the troops we still have over there and how we're still "f<strong>ighting terror" (I put that in quotes because i find it humorous that we can declare war on an idea.. just sayin :P )</strong>. Calindi you took the words right out of my mouth "you hurt my head" I think I've  given up. Now it's just gonna makes me laugh.
Posted by firsttimersluck[/QUOTE]

<div>I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds that strange.</div><div>
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</div><div>Kendall- I feel bad that everyone is attacking you, but seriously? I always hear on the morning show on my way to work (not a news station) at least once a week about another Oklahoman who got killled in action, they don't talk too much about the war on local channels but watch the national news, there is always SOMETHING. Getting into non-news TV, I have noticed an influx of "coming home" type shows that talk about military personnel coming home (I don't watch them because they make me cry), but they are all over TLC and Lifetime.  I agree that it isn't the forefront of most of civilans minds, but they still know the war is going on. </div><div>
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KendallR10

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[QUOTE]Kendall- I'm really trying hard to understand you but I'm a little confused as to what you're talking about when it comes to money and troops. Why do you hate when people offer to give you money for the troops? What do you mean by giving money to a company to send christmas cards when you an do it on your own?
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
Let me clarify. I went in to halmark looking for something. I didn't buy anything. On my way out I got asked if I wanted to donate $20 to send x-mas cards to the troops. Thats what irks me