Oh boy.

Zeldakins

Saw this on the Yahoo! "news" feed...I've never experienced this on any of the flights I've been on. Of course during the times that I've flown I don't believe I ever saw any children on the flight, much less misbehaving children. Thoughts?

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Beachy730

I don't blame the Captain.  I was on a flight before with a family even worse like this, and I wish they would have been kicked off.  Young parents, with a baby and then a kid who couldn't be more than 2.  Douchebag dad was trying to sleep the entire flight and kept yelling at the mom when she woke him up for help, baby cried the whole time, and the 2 year old was restless, crying, standing in his seat, kicking my seat, and trying to run all over the plane.  During landing even the fligtht attendant had to come over and try to restrain the 2 year old in a way because he kept squirming out of the seat belt.  It was easily the worst flight I've ever been on.  

Zeldakins

I definitely agree that it can't be the captain's fault. I know that when I was younger my parents just had to give me one look or say, "You just wait until we get home" (in Spanish of course so no one around would think that they were abusive and beating me lol). Honestly, a little discipline never hurt me...it was never more than a spanking, but it helped me to learn that I was not to act out like that. I have to say though...sometimes you can't just blame the parents. Some kids are just gonna do whatever the eff they wanna do.

kara811

Ditto. I don't blame the captain nor the airline. I feel like if the child will not stop, it is the parents to blame. Let's face it, some parents nowadays really just don't know how to discipline their children properly. 

When I'm on a 10-12 hour flight, I hate having a lot of distractions, I want to be able to have some sleep. I've been on some flights where a some kids would be rowdy but not as bad as this one. I guess I'm also more understanding when it is infants too. 

Beachy730

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[QUOTE]I definitely agree that it can't be the captain's fault. I know that when I was younger my parents just had to give me one look or say, "You just wait until we get home" (in Spanish of course so no one around would think that they were abusive and beating me lol). Honestly, a little discipline never hurt me...it was never more than a spanking, but it helped me to learn that I was not to act out like that. I have to say though...<strong>sometimes you can't just blame the parents. Some kids are just gonna do whatever the eff they wanna do.</strong>
Posted by Zeldakins[/QUOTE]

<div>I disagree with the bolded.  All kids can be taught discipline and how to properly behave.  However not all kids will respond to the same routines, punishments and parenting behaviors.  It is on the parents to get to know their child and what they respond to.  I'm not saying that kids will never act up, but every kid should also know what look or saying from their parents is the last straw and they're in trouble.  For us my parents each just had to give us a look and we knew "oh shiit, we're in trouble when we aren't in public anymore, we better stop."  Kids aren't just going to do what they want to do, they are going to do what they know they CAN do and what they can get away with.  </div>

CozyHeart13

As the mom of a 2yo, I don't think you can always blame the parent. I'm not saying there aren't times when the parent isn't to blame, but sometimes a kid is tired, hungry, bored, etc and sometimes they just will not behave. I've flown with DD, a number of times actually. She's never thown a full-on tantrum, but she's been whiney, refused to stay in her seat and other things that some not-so-patient none parents probably found obnoxious. Luckily, the only time it got real bad, the guy next to us was a dad himself, flying home to see his kids and was very understanding. It's easy to look at the situation and think "those horrible parents can't control their awful kid" when you've never been in that situation, but after your own kid has a meltdown and you're the one everyone is judging... it's more embarassing for the parents than it is annoying for the bystander. Sometimes a little compassion and understanding goes a long way, and that guy we sat by saved my sanity.

Zeldakins

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[QUOTE]As the mom of a 2yo, I don't think you can always blame the parent. I'm not saying there aren't times when the parent isn't to blame, but sometimes a kid is tired, hungry, bored, etc and sometimes they just will not behave. I've flown with DD, a number of times actually. She's never thown a full-on tantrum, but she's been whiney, refused to stay in her seat and other things that some not-so-patient none parents probably found obnoxious. Luckily, the only time it got real bad, the guy next to us was a dad himself, flying home to see his kids and was very understanding. It's easy to look at the situation and think "those horrible parents can't control their awful kid" when you've never been in that situation, <strong>but after your own kid has a meltdown and you're the one everyone is judging... it's more embarassing for the parents than it is annoying for the bystander.</strong> Sometimes a little compassion and understanding goes a long way, and that guy we sat by saved my sanity.
Posted by CozyHeart13[/QUOTE]

YES.

 I don't have kids of my own, but from my mother's experiences this is so true. My mother is an angel and although she had us really young, she has been such a great parent and she tries her hardest to keep us discliplined so that we can grow up to be mature, responsible adults. I have to say that there were times were no matter how much she tried to get me to behave I was a little snot and didn't want to listen, regardless of the consequences that I knew were coming. This would happen if I was sick, tired, cranky...etc and no matter how many things I would have in my little backpack to try to keep me busy while we were out, it just wouldn't work. There was only so much my mother could pack to help  her out in certain situations.

calindi

I think it depends... after spending the weekend in Disney, there are some parents who are trying their hardest but their kids aren't listening.  And you can tell - the parents are trying to correct their children and paying attention to how their behavior is affecting other people.  Even if they can't stop the bad behavior, you still can tell they are trying and thus to me at least, it doesn't seem as annoying.  At that point it's like, "kids will be kids, those poor parents." 

But then there are parents who are annoyed by the very idea of parenting, who don't care how their children's behavior affects those around them - we had kids literally climbing onto us in line in Disney yesterday while their parents were texting or chatting with each other.  Like, please try at least to teach your children it isn't okay to climb on strangers.  I shouldn't have to be the one to ask your child not to climb on my leg - I should be able to be the nice forgiving stranger who goes, "Oh, it's okay, no big deal" when the parent apologizes for the child's behavior when you pull them off me the first time.

CozyHeart13

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[QUOTE]I think it depends... after spending the weekend in Disney, there are some parents who are trying their hardest but their kids aren't listening.  And you can tell - the parents are trying to correct their children and paying attention to how their behavior is affecting other people.  Even if they can't stop the bad behavior, you still can tell they are trying and thus to me at least, it doesn't seem as annoying.  At that point it's like, "kids will be kids, those poor parents."  <strong>But then there are parents who are annoyed by the very idea of parenting, who don't care how their children's behavior affects those around them</strong> - we had kids literally climbing onto us in line in Disney yesterday while their parents were texting or chatting with each other.  Like, please try at least to teach your children it isn't okay to climb on strangers.  I shouldn't have to be the one to ask your child not to climb on my leg - I should be able to be the nice forgiving stranger who goes, "Oh, it's okay, no big deal" when the parent apologizes for the child's behavior when you pull them off me the first time.
Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]

Agreed. We went to the zoo this weekend, and some of the parents were worse than the kids. DD got pushed out of the way so some kid (a few years older and a quite a bit taller) could see the gorillas. Her mom was right behind her on the phone and literally stepped over my kid, who at that point was trying to get back up off the ground.