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reenlistment help?

I have a friend that was active duty AF. He got kicked out for drinking and now wants to reenlist. He was told he needs to go to a place and have them certify that he is sober. Does anyone know where he needs to go? 

His recruiter is on leave and gave him the wrong number to the place. any guidance on where to good would be helpful
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Re: reenlistment help?

  • ggirl2001ggirl2001 member
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    edited December 2011
    Probably to some kind of chemical dependency program that does assessments to confirm or not confirm that he has an abuse/dependence issue. However, they might only want him to go to certain places so he will need to talk to them. I know that any clients I had that were either in or trying to get in and were referred, my company had to be licensed through new york state.
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  • kyrgyzstankyrgyzstan member
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    Considering the AF is in the midst of force shaping, I doubt they'll let him back in. His best bet is to try to go Guard or something. 
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  • KendallR10KendallR10 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_reenlistment?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:7d6da707-1090-4332-8cee-8cd7c881f1bbPost:ba8105cc-ba97-4fa0-a6bc-fb9bb8379d98">Re: reenlistment help?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Considering the AF is in the midst of force shaping, I doubt they'll let him back in. His best bet is to try to go Guard or something. 
    Posted by WishIcouldbeinthe'stan[/QUOTE]
    he's going army. But he needs to do this first but he has no idea where to start
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  • kyrgyzstankyrgyzstan member
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    Was this underage drinking, a DUI, what?


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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_reenlistment?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:7d6da707-1090-4332-8cee-8cd7c881f1bbPost:cee38009-7f89-419c-b0ed-e3a5a81419f3">Re: reenlistment help?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Was this underage drinking, a DUI, what?
    Posted by WishIcouldbeinthe'stan[/QUOTE]
    He was over 21. It was drinking too much. They sent him to rehab and said he could stay in if he stayed clean. Well he started drinking again. so they kicked him out
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  • kyrgyzstankyrgyzstan member
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    While I think it's sad he ruined his AF career because he couldn't make not drinking stick, I doubt the Army will want him in the current recruiting climate. He has a proven track record, as an adult, of not putting service before self. The Air Force gave him a chance, and he threw it away. 

    I think he should find a civilian job and focus on his sobriety. 
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_reenlistment?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:7d6da707-1090-4332-8cee-8cd7c881f1bbPost:66088266-9079-472e-b03f-032487ce641b">Re: reenlistment help?</a>:
    [QUOTE]While I think it's sad he ruined his AF career because he couldn't make not drinking stick, I doubt the Army will want him in the current recruiting climate. He has a proven track record, as an adult, of not putting service before self. The Air Force gave him a chance, and he threw it away.  I think he should find a civilian job and focus on his sobriety. 
    Posted by WishIcouldbeinthe'stan[/QUOTE]
    He's been sober for a year. I think he's going to try the reserves. The recruiter said he needs to do this before he can enlist. He's been looking for a job. its rough times and he misses it. I don't think he should but its his life
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  • LetsHikeTodayLetsHikeToday member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_reenlistment?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:7d6da707-1090-4332-8cee-8cd7c881f1bbPost:71856afb-050e-4003-a6df-7d63dc66af7d">reenlistment help?</a>:
    [QUOTE]I have a friend that was active duty AF. He got kicked out for drinking and now wants to reenlist. He was told he needs to go to a place and have them certify that he is sober. Does anyone know where he needs to go?  His recruiter is on leave and gave him the wrong number to the place. any guidance on where to good would be helpful
    Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

    Is there another recruiter in the office? H is a recruiter for the navy and there is another recruiter in his office. If not, could he call the office in the next town or city? He can explain the situation and see if they know the number.
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  • kyrgyzstankyrgyzstan member
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    edited December 2011
    Here's what a friend said to me.

    "ADAPT failures are usually coded on their DD 214 so they can't reenlist in any service. In order to be kicked out for ADAPT failure, the treatment program must have been command-directed, which doesn't happen for no reason. If a member self-identifies and then fails ADAPT, they don't get discharged, which is why it's important to go as soon as someone thinks it's a problem, rather than when people around them notice, but an addict generally doesn't think it's a problem at all. Long story short, I think the Army recruiter is just stringing this guy along so he doesn't have to be the bad guy who says, 'We don't want you.' "
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    [QUOTE]In Response to reenlistment help? : Is there another recruiter in the office? H is a recruiter for the navy and there is another recruiter in his office. If not, could he call the office in the next town or city? He can explain the situation and see if they know the number.
    Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
    IDK. He's going to see someone on friday I guess
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  • LetsHikeTodayLetsHikeToday member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_reenlistment?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:7d6da707-1090-4332-8cee-8cd7c881f1bbPost:38094717-1165-4e67-a5b1-824d60fe0178">Re: reenlistment help?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Here's what a friend said to me. "ADAPT failures are usually coded on their DD 214 so they can't reenlist in any service. In order to be kicked out for ADAPT failure, the treatment program must have been command-directed, which doesn't happen for no reason. If a member self-identifies and then fails ADAPT, they don't get discharged, which is why it's important to go as soon as someone thinks it's a problem, rather than when people around them notice, but an addict generally doesn't think it's a problem at all. Long story short, I think the Army recruiter is just stringing this guy along so he doesn't have to be the bad guy who says, 'We don't want you.' "
    Posted by WishIcouldbeinthe'stan[/QUOTE]

    h basically said the same thing: that he won't be allowed back in. It depends on his reentry code.
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  • edited December 2011
    I don't think he has a chance of re-enlisting. The military is working hard to get rid of people that. He got in trouble twice for drinking, how many more chances does he think he deserves? (Not meaning to be a big meanie but just honest)
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  • edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: reenlistment help? : h basically said the same thing: that he won't be allowed back in. It depends on his reentry code.
    Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]

    This ^^. I work in an Admin office where we deal with DD-214's all day long, so I'm quite familiar with them. What's his RE code (should be on the bottom of his DD-214, near his Separation Program Designator (SPD Code).

    Usually, RE1 is for regular separations under honorable conditions. You can rejoin the service if you have one of those. RE2 means they can reenlist again but it's up to the service they're going for to approve it (it can be denied by needs of the service), RE3 means they can reenlist but they have to be granted a waiver, and RE4 absolutely not. (I tried to put that in layman's terms as best I could.)

    Most of our guys being processed for alcohol dependency are seen by a doc at a Military Treatment Facility. For instance, when I was stationed in Seattle, we sent our guys to the Naval Base in Bremerton, WA for evaluation. But, since your friend is technically a civilian now, I'm not sure. You might want to try contacting the local VA office.
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  • KendallR10KendallR10 member
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    his code is 2 c
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  • edited December 2011
    This is what I found online for an RE2c code:

    "RE-2C - Individuals who were fully qualified when last separated. However, reenlistment not authorized at time of separation under reenlistment control policy. Civilian: fully qualified for enlistment."

    I also found by clicking on this link: http://www.navycs.com/military-re-codes.html that USArmy will accept RE1 through RE2, but nothing beyond RE3c.
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  • LetsHikeTodayLetsHikeToday member
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    h said, with that definition, he would have to be granted a waiver that probably won't work in his favor.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: reenlistment help? : He's been sober for a year. I think he's going to try the reserves. The recruiter said he needs to do this before he can enlist. He's been looking for a job. its rough times and he misses it. I don't think he should but its his life
    Posted by KendallR10[/QUOTE]

    The recruiter is defintely stringing him along.  There is no "we will take you if you can make it in the Reserves."  I'm guessing your friend has pretty much no shot at getting back in with that kind of a discharge but I can tell you this:  If he was able to join the Reserves or Guard, they do not have to let him go to join Big Army.  He would belong to them.

    Your buddy is being strung along badly.
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