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Long Freaking Rant

I hate to rant about FI.  He's a wonderful, great guy. I think I am just having a rough day, busy week, feeling moody, have a lot of work ahead of me in the next month, you name it.

But I am starting to feel like FI is sucking any fun out of wedding planning.

At first, it was no big deal. Just a wedding. We were compromising with our parents by having the guest list we do. He was pretty much okay with it, and I thought "whatever, I get a wedding. What girl doesn't want a wedding?"

I am trying to make the best of it. Wedding planning is more work that I expected/wanted, and if I had it to do over again I would just let my mom plan the whole thing and I'd give HER my guest list and just show up day-of.

But FI has had an increasingly difficult time being positive AT ALL about the wedding. He'd roll his eyes now and then about the decisions and the choices and the details, but it was no big deal. Now, he literally makes the whole thing about stress.

Tomorrow, I am having a girls' day at my friend's house. We're dyeing my crinoline, tying ribbons on fans, putting flower petals in little baggies... you name it. We're having mimosas and snacks and just going for it. It SHOULD be fun. I'm looking forward to it. Sure, it's work.... sure, I could have gone to Mexico and not had to do it, but we're doing it and I am (understandably, I think) a bit excited.

FI assumed I'd be home before he gets out of work. I said "Probably not, I don't think we'll be done by then." He gave me his classic look of disbelief. "What do you MEAN you won't be done? What are you guys DOING?"

He knows what we'll be doing. He just can't believe I am voluntarily going to be doing it. It's WORK.

Then, I reminded him about making a payment to the florist.

"We just paid $800 to the photographer!"

"Yes, I know. And I gave you an outline of what needs to be paid when, and we budgeted for this."

"Well, yeah, we budgeted it..."

"So, do we have the money to pay the florist or not?"

"Yeah, we have the money. But man, how much money are we spending on this damn wedding?"

....the same amount we talked about spending when we first got engaged? The same amount we went over several times and budgeted in for each month?

Everything is "Where did you get that? Do you really need that? Is that going to make a difference? Who is going to REALLY care? Why didn't we just get married already? Why are we even having a wedding? This is too much work. You're too stressed. I never wanted a big party in the FIRST place."

I mean.... look, okay, he and I wanted to go away and get married. But we agreed.... BOTH of us agreed.... to let my dad pay for something more traditional. I am making the best of it. He will not help with ANYTHING unless I am on the verge of a breakdown. He doesn't do anything. The only thing he made a decision on was the tuxes. Then he said "Well, that's it. I'm done with everything I had to do!"

I could have smacked him. I showed him a list of everything that needed to be done. I showed him what he could help with. I emailed him the things he could do. He has googled wedding insurance. That's it.

Fine, if he doesn't want to help. Fine. It's okay. But I wish he would STOP complaining about all the other things he'd rather spend the money on when we talked about it and agreed on it months and months ago. I wish he would stop complaining on my behalf about all the little craps I need to do. I wish he would stop rolling his eyes and giving me the "I'm shocked" look.

If he hates the wedding so much, why didn't he just say "I REALLY do not want a wedding and I would like to just take a vacation and elope"????

Because he didn't know what he wanted, and that is NOT my fault, and he can just shut up because I KNOW he'll have a good time. He'll enjoy the food, and spending time with his friends, and I know he wants to marry me. I know that. But he doesn't feel connected to the wedding. He hasn't made any meaningful choices, and he feels like it's our parents' wedding.

Well, too effing bad for him, because he has had PLENTY of chances to jump in and help. I have asked him if he wanted to help with SPECIFIC things. He says no. He complains. He acts like it's the most horrible ordeal ever.

He hasn't even done anything! That's WHY he doesn't want to spend the money or make any decisions or help with anything. It's not HIS. Vicious cycle.

And I have tried to make sure there are things for him. I have surprises up my sleeve to make the day fun and memorable for him. And he makes me want to just say f--- it let's call it off and I'll think long and hard about this whole marrying a big effing baby business.

I don't mean that. I'm just mad and I just want to cry.

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  • babybchbumbabybchbum member
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    edited December 2011
    I know EXACTLY how you feel. FI isn't excited about anything related to the wedding, but is VERY excited about everything in regards to the Marriage that comes after the wedding. I'm sure this is the same situation your FI is in. Just remember that it is going to be a special day for you both and he will enjoy it in the long run.
  • bajedivabajediva member
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    edited December 2011
    i have nothing really meaningful to add. just that it was an interesting little moment for me after reading the rant to come to the photo of you two looking so gloriously happy in your signature. i myself have been ranting a bit about BF lately. and then we'll talk and he'll say/do the slightest little thing that just lights me up and i remember why it's worth it.
  • tafft1tafft1 member
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    edited December 2011
    **hugs** i'm sorry you are going through this and feeling this way - it's not as if wedding planning isn't stressful enough without the support and understanding of your FI at times. It just sounds like one of "those" weeks , i know he is a great guy or you wouldn't be marrying him. i *just* started actual planning - 3 venue appointments between Saturday and Tuesday - photographer appointment Tuesday that is pretty much set as it is a friend of FI and MOH they went to school with just making sure FI gets the same good vibe/likes what he sees and what not but talk about stress , yikes.

    Bugest is so important and let's face it money is the root of all evil - the one thing that can tear us apart and a relationship even with the best planning and intentions. It can still be a shock to people and i think that's what it may be for him - nothing against you just the numbers sometimes on paper vs going out of our pockets can be intimidating.

    i hope you can enjoy your girls night and your projects sound awesome and i wish i was that inspired at this stage even , lol. Try to take some deep breaths and i hope it gets better soon. **bug hugs** we love you !
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  • edited December 2011
    Thanks for the kind words, ladies.

    Baje, we ARE happy. We're incredibly happy.

    The thing is.... he's BORED. And he doesn't even realize it. He's been researching free MMOs (online computer games) for us to play after all this wedding business settles down. So, he's downloading half a dozen games and playing them all for an hour or two at a time.

    He's done it before. Classic "Josh is bored and unhappy about something."

    It doesn't hurt anything, except that I need his help. I need his attention, and I need him to be positive about this wedding. If I could play video games right now, I would.

    He said tonight "Well, I just don't have time to help you with the wedding. I'm, you know, paying BILLS and WORKING and doing CHORES."

    He's right. But, I added "And... playing several computer games with the excuse that you want to find one I will enjoy and play with you in two months? Why don't you spend the next two months WITH ME instead of planning out the time we'll spend together in a couple months?"

    He said I was right, but sometimes he just kinda says that without really grasping WHY I'm right.

    So, I fully expect tomorrow he will go to work and pay the bills and do the dishes and then spend 3 or 4 hours downloading and playing an entirely new online game to see if it's something I'll like.

    You know what really bugs me? He complains he wants to spend time with me and I'm too busy because of school and wedding and work.

    I'm on spring break this week. I've been home and free to do anything ALL WEEK. Guess where he's been? Shut up in the computer room. I tried to sit next to him and address invitations just to be in the same room. He chatted with our friend about what games have good healing classes for me to play.

    I'm RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. And when he DOES notice that, he only notices because he thinks I am spending money, or he thinks I am stressing too much.

    And it's all the big bad wedding's fault, obviously.

    He is bored because he's waiting for a promotion and none of the pep talks I give him matter because I obviously don't know anything about the business world (honestly, what did I do before I went back to college? Managed people!), and I don't know anything about how to impress people and express your worth (I only got two promotions within the same company within a year), and coming from me any advice is worthless.

    So, he'll mope about not getting the promotion he wants and complain about money that we already knew we could afford to spend. And me? I'll tie purple bows on fans and wonder why I'm doing it at all, since my soon-to-be-husband hates the very idea of a wedding.

    And yes, I am still awake at 1:45am fuming about this.
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  • desertsundesertsun member
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    edited December 2011
    Ugh, this makes me just want to smack your FI!

    Sorry.

    As tafft said, he must be a great guy or you wouldn't be marrying him.

    But seriously, he's a grownass man, and he needs to start acting like it. 

    This is what you tell him:

    He had his chance to give input on decisions. Now he needs to take responsibility for his decisions and follow through on the commitments he made. WITHOUT b*tching. 

    At the very least, if he has a problem with something, he needs to follow his criticism with a constructive, helpful suggestion on how to make it better. It's not okay to be down on whatever and then not do anything about it.

    He doesn't have to have an opinion or preference on everything. But he should care that you care.

    Hope you can talk some sense into him SOON!  *hugs* 

     

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  • Ana_2985Ana_2985 member
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    edited December 2011
    *hugs*

    I know you guys have a great relationship so I'm sure everything will work out once things settle down, but I would really have a serious talk with him about his behavior.  As you said, he is an adult, not a baby.  He needs to realize that he made the decision not to have any input in the wedding and the consequence is that he doesn't feel like it's his wedding.  He can't complain about a choice he made.  Moping is one of the things I just will not tolerate.  It gets very emotionally exhausting after awhile.  Also, I don't like that he's not taking your job advice seriously if you have management experience.  You two are supposed to work together and he's not accepting your help.

    Like I said, I'm sure you guys will work through everything so just try to focus on having a great time today!  Don't forget to show off your projects when you're done!

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  • PaigeMcCPaigeMcC member
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    edited December 2011
    *big hugs* Oh Jeana, Josh sounds just like my BF...maybe they're long lost twins!!

    Hang in there.  You know what you need to do, you know why he is acting the way he is and you know what needs to be done.  Newspaper to the nose!!

    No no okay seriously, take a breath, calm down, and go drink some yummy drinks and have fun wedding DIY day with your friends.  Take some time to go do what you need to (and want to) do and when you come back sit down with him and talk.  It's going to be a wonderful day, you know that even if he doesn't! In the end you'll be married and you'll both have had a wonderful time at the wedding.  Only two months to go, girl!

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  • babybchbumbabybchbum member
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    edited December 2011
    Page and Jeanna: We might have long lost triplets.

    Wedding planning is stressful for everyone involved. Josh has decided to run away from is as best he can. If that is his escape so be it. I understand your frustration and need to vent, but sometimes a god nights sleep is what you need. I hope you were able to sleep last night and have a wonderful day with your girls today!

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  • katanne9katanne9 member
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    edited December 2011
    hugs jeana! you're almost there!

    His actions are immature and crappy, but it seems to me they are probably motivated out of missing non-wedding-planning time with you and actually spending the money (it hurts a lot more to send the check than talk about it!) I'm sure he will love all the surprise details you've put into the wedding for him, which is really awesome of you btw.

    I would sit him down and make him watch that part of Father of the Bride where Steve Martin is in jail and has to repeat how every roll of his eyes and whine he is taking away a piece of her happiness Tongue out
  • edited December 2011
    Awww Jeana!  I feel bad that you were up that late upset about this *hugs* 

    I think we all have these moments and by golly we have good reasons to!  I wish I had some amazing advice to give you, but I don't....  I hate to say it, but sometimes men wll be men and if I happen to figure out how to fix that, I will definitly let you know.  I know how hard it is to have something, like a wedding, be all you can think about - because you're doing EVERYTHING - and yet the person you're with just complains about it and it's just not in their realm of thinking.  It's a tough thing to deal with, that's for sure.  But, I do think that the day of the wedding there will be a point where he looks at you and realizes all the hard work you put into this and he will be grateful and he will totally enjoy himself that day -  no matter what he thinks now.
  • hetshuphetshup member
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    edited December 2011
    As you said to me, YOU ARE NOT ALONE. I know you feel alone, but we are here with you. The day will come and he will be like, this is awesome! But as a boy he doesn’t understand how awesomeness comes about. Have you made any time for each other? No wedding stuff, no computers, maybe just dinner together? I agree that you both can’t see the forest for the trees right now. He’s lonely and bored because the attention that he wants from you is focused somewhere else, and you are frustrated and lonely (likely) because the attention that you want is focused somewhere else. Maybe you should come to boxing with me, it’s great for getting frustrations out. Oh another thought, invite him over after work, that way he can be a part of something without having a hiding outlet and maybe see how much work it is. Whatever you do, don’t complain about how he ties bows. J
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  • edited December 2011
    1) ::big hugs::

    2) You should just ship all the supplies down here, hop on a plane and come to SoFLA. We have a guest room, unlimited mojito and margarita ingredients, and manual labor in the form of myself and rickylee. We'll have you ready to wed in no time. Ask ricki, I'm anal retentive when it comes to bow-tying.

    3) I can completely get it about a wedding turning into something you'd rather not have. To be honest, I'd love to cut and paste Mutley's wedding into mine. I've always wanted something simple - throw up a tent on my grandpa's farm and have a quiet, intimate wedding. Living in SoFLa (with no co-ops, farms, or B&Bs in sight), with family members over 30 on each side, that's not going to happen without pissing a lot of people that we care about off. So, now we're getting hitched at a country club with 100 pairs of eyes boring into my back as I walk down a concrete lined aisle. You have to realistically pick and choose your battles.

    4) I have no doubt that your FI is awesome. You wouldn't be marrying him if he wasn't. About 99% of guys I know could care diddly about flower arrangements or bow tying. But he should be willing to at least offer up an opinion, if not help, with the major tasks associated with your wedding. Thankfully, I have an awesome FI that is willing to talk me off the ledge when I'm having one of my "this is not the wedding I wanted, can't we just elope?" moments...I can lend him out if you want. Or you can send your FI here and I'll put him through bridal bootcamp. 

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  • edited December 2011



    I hope this morning finds you in a better place.

    This would be one of those times where a 'Come to Jesus' talk is needed.  At least for me. 

    I would explain that you are not a mind reader.  You are going along with the plans that BOTH of you made.  If he has changed his mind about those plans, he needs to TELL you and not make little comments.  I would tell him exactly how much his comments and lack of enthusiam hurt you.  Explain how much of you it is taking to plan this wedding and you do not want to do it alone.  You WANT him to be a part of it.  You WANT to share that stress, so that you both have time for something else.  Tell him that he is sucking the fun out of planning the wedding.  Tell him that you are trying to make the best of a situation you both agreed upon.  I would also make it clear that his current behavior is unacceptable.  He is an adult and he needs to act like one.  This means making a plan and sucking it up to get that plan accomplished.  There are going to many other times where the two of you need to work as a team to get something done that neither of you are stoked about.   

    I would also make time to play a video game or two with him.  The wedding stuff may or may not get done.  There are a ton of little details that truly do not matter to anyone if they do not get done.  It seems like he is crying out for attention.  He isn't doing it in the best way (and he needs to work on that) but he is doing it.   

    I will say that writing the checks is a LOT harder than setting the budget.  It pained me to write out the checks for our final payments and I wanted to do it.  Even when you make the budget, putting that money out there sucks.  I still look back at all that was spent on our wedding and get this knot in my stomach.  (And we didn't spend most of it.  It is just the fact that the money was spent on a party.  A really great party, but still.) 

    P.S. I think you both need to release a little sexual tension.  Or at least it helped me.  Whenever the wedding planning got to be too much for me, I would plan a fabulous evening for the two of us with no wedding talk and seduce DH.   
  • loopy82loopy82 member
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    edited December 2011
    Jeana your wedding planning rant sounds an awful lot like mine.

    Good luck!
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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_long-freaking-rant?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:327d1e6a-f267-442a-b392-05494330094cPost:c8dd42e2-b30e-401c-a7a3-c0b907dd5b28">Re: Long Freaking Rant</a>:
    [QUOTE]I hope this morning finds you in a better place. This would be one of those times where a 'Come to Jesus' talk is needed.  At least for me.  I would explain that you are not a mind reader.  You are going along with the plans that BOTH of you made.  If he has changed his mind about those plans, he needs to TELL you and not make little comments.  I would tell him exactly how much his comments and lack of enthusiam hurt you.  Explain how much of you it is taking to plan this wedding and you do not want to do it alone.  You WANT him to be a part of it.  You WANT to share that stress, so that you both have time for something else.  Tell him that he is sucking the fun out of planning the wedding.  Tell him that you are trying to make the best of a situation you both agreed upon.  I would also make it clear that his current behavior is unacceptable.  He is an adult and he needs to act like one.  This means making a plan and sucking it up to get that plan accomplished.  There are going to many other times where the two of you need to work as a team to get something done that neither of you are stoked about.    I would also make time to play a video game or two with him.  The wedding stuff may or may not get done.  There are a ton of little details that truly do not matter to anyone if they do not get done.  It seems like he is crying out for attention.  He isn't doing it in the best way (and he needs to work on that) but he is doing it.    I will say that writing the checks is a LOT harder than setting the budget.  It pained me to write out the checks for our final payments and I wanted to do it.  Even when you make the budget, putting that money out there sucks.  I still look back at all that was spent on our wedding and get this knot in my stomach.  (And we didn't spend most of it.  It is just the fact that the money was spent on a party.  A really great party, but still.)  P.S. I think you both need to release a little sexual tension.  Or at least it helped me.  Whenever the wedding planning got to be too much for me, I would plan a fabulous evening for the two of us with no wedding talk and seduce DH.   
    Posted by **Mutley**[/QUOTE]

    Everything she just said. :)

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  • rickylee244rickylee244 member
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    edited December 2011
    Agree with oceana - all we ask is for some cheesecake as payment for our manual labor lol.  

    You will have fun with your friends doing all the work.  And believe me we have all been there.  As much as they want to be involved, they dont realize just how much is actually involved.  You would not believe how many times I needed help and DH was sitting on the couch playing his ghostbusters game on the ps3 saying he was busy.  grrr... but I do promise you that it all gets better once the stress is over.

    Oh and Mutley is right too.  You need to pick one day that its just you and him, no wedding, play some video games whatever you need just NO WEDDING talk. 
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  • edited December 2011
    You guys are pretty awesome.

    I slept in this morning (obviously) and when FI left, he kissed my shoulder and told me to have fun with the wedding stuff today and stay out as long as I want to.

    He's such a sweetheart most of the time... like that.

    I did talk to him. I said a lot of the stuff Mutley suggested, actually. I'm great at talking (imagine that). I know he hears me, but sometimes I wonder if some of it registers.

    He is stressed about wanting a promotion.

    He is craving attention and quality time from me.

    He is looking at fancy gaming tables ( http://www.geekchichq.com/Co_Store/The_Showroom/The_Sultan/The_Sultan.html ) he would love to buy someday, and at the same time his money is going to table runners and flowers.

    That also has to do with the promotion thing.

    I mean, I can step back and see exactly what the problems are. I understand WHY he's acting like he is. I just freaking DON'T WANT HIM TO ACT LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW.

    hetshup, inviting him to my friend's house would be a GREAT idea, but my friend's husband (who is FI's friend) will be working tonight. So there's no way FI will go. It's like, a 45 minute drive.
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  • edited December 2011
    I am so glad that he was sweeter this morning.  Good thing! 

    In terms of what you say registering with him, I think that may be the issue. 

    I will say in previous relationships I felt like I could talk until I was blue in the face but it was just that 'talk.'  It was not a conversation.  With DH, it is very different.  He makes it a priority to understand where I am coming from.  We do not have to always agree, but we do need to understand the other person's POV.  Let him know that he does not have to agree with what you are saying, but you do want him to acknowledge your feelings.  He doesn't have to say "Oh, yes Jeana.  You are sooo right.  I was being a doofus."  He does have to get to the point of understanding and say "Oh, yes Jeana.  I understand where you are coming from.  I know that this is important to you.  It is not as important to me.  I will work on respecting it and not put you/it down in the process." 

    I think that the promotion is directly tied to spending the money for the wedding.  Maybe he didn't communicate that he thought he would have this promotion by the time you guys were spending the wedding money.  I know that my DH feels that it is his job to be the best provider he can be.  His self-worth is directly tied to how he is doing career-wise. 

    I am glad you understand but the thing is that he should NOT be acting this way right now.  He needs to understand that you cannot be the place where he lets out his frustration (be it promotion, time, stress, wedding crap, etc.)  I think that people have a way of pushing harder on those they know are not going anywhere.  Naturally, you feel safe with those you love.  You know they aren't going anywhere, even when you are pissy.  However, I feel like this is not an excuse for being an ass to them.  Yes, you understand that he is stressed out.  However, YOU are stressed out as well.  Instead of pushing each other, the two of you need to find a way to deal with the stress constructively and get back on the same page.

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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_long-freaking-rant?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:327d1e6a-f267-442a-b392-05494330094cPost:94d703c3-e875-49a2-a634-0b29a87ec9ac">Re: Long Freaking Rant</a>:
    [QUOTE] Yes, you understand that he is stressed out.  However, YOU are stressed out as well.  Instead of pushing each other, the two of you need to find a way to deal with the stress constructively and get back on the same page.
    Posted by **Mutley**[/QUOTE]

    I totally agree with you.
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  • PaigeMcCPaigeMcC member
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    edited December 2011
    I lurve Mutley's advice.

    And Jeana, I'm glad it was better this morning.  Keep workin' on it, girl.  We're here to help:)

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  • edited December 2011

    Well I'm certainly glad you were able to sleep in this morning and also glad he was sweet to you.  It does sound like all of this is stemming from him being stressed out about the promotion - it's sometimes hard to let go of things at work when you come home, that's something I've dealt with personally for a long time...

    Oh, and I second every single thing Mutley said - she's a wise one!

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