Catholics & Birth Control

jemmini6

Chelsea, the point is that in this situation, they are an employer first, and a religious institution second.  While I agree that if you don't like what that company stands for, you have the choice to not work for them.  But the crux of their argument is that now the church is not being forced to pay for contraception coverage, but they still don't like that it's even being offered under their policy, even if someone else wants to pay for it.  The problem here is that they are being funded in part by tax dollars (hence their 'employer' status outweighs their religious status), so this is a fair compromise for them, but they basically want to eat have their cake and eat it too.  The way I see it, they have a choice too.  They can either stop taking ALL government funding and run the insurance policies the way they want to, or they can accept the compromise.

But like that article said...it's just yet another example of the hypocrisy of the Catholic church.

cu97tiger

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[QUOTE]Here's where that random came from, we were a brief topic of discussion on the Catholic Weddings board: CLICKY
Posted by rdr716[/QUOTE]

<div>Wow, the only thing missing from that thread was how they feel bad for our SO's. Just because they don't agree with what some of us were saying, and some others don't like the whole concept of the NEY board, doesn't mean there isn't a valid discussion going on in here.</div><div>
</div><div>Also, it's bugs the crap out of me that if you disagree with something, you are labeled as a 'basher.' I grew up a Catholic, and agree with many tenets of the faith, however, chose to change religions to more closely reflect my personal beliefs. That does not mean I hate Catholics, hate what the Catholic church stands for, or think they have less rights than anyone else. I would like to see some people get off their high horses here, though. It's attitudes like that that end up becoming a stereotype for an entire religion.</div>

jorja86

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Catholics & Birth Control : <a href="http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/15/20100515phoenix-catholic-nun-abortion.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/15/20100515phoenix-catholic-nun-abortion.html</a> ETA:  The nun was on the ethics commitee of the hospital and with the agreement between the patient and doctor, the nun approved the surgery.  The Bishop of the Phoenix Diocese claimed that any Catholic that directly participated in an abortion is automatically excommunicated.
Posted by jemmini6[/QUOTE]

<div>Gotcha. That makes more sense (the fact that the nun was on the ethics committee, not the eventual outcome).</div>

shawna127

My question is when did birth control become a right?  The constitution lays out what ones "rights" are here in America and everyone is getting so worked up about the catholic church not wanting to pay for birth control, and they are saying that they are taking away womens rights by doing this.  Excuse me but how is it your right to have have birth control paid for?  So I have a car and I like to use it everyday, and lots of Americans do, so obviously it's my right to have our cars paid for too.


Just a thought, whether you agree with the use of birth control or not I'm sorry but it is not a "right" to have it paid for.  Aren't there more important "rights" we should be worried about (like those that are actually in our constitution)

bsidebella

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[QUOTE]Here's where that random came from, we were a brief topic of discussion on the Catholic Weddings board: CLICKY
Posted by rdr716[/QUOTE]



Wow. Some of those girls are not really painting a good image of Catholics. They sound snobby and elitist.

shawna127

The definition of rights has obviously been stretched a ton in the past few decades.  I thought that rights were things that were as important as freedom and free speech. I didn't realize that acid reflux medicine was a right, my bad!

Also, yaga PCOS is not cured by ABC. ABC simply covers up the symptoms of PCOS.  I have PCOS as well and know that is really sucks.  They have showed that PCOS is connected to insulin resistance and may be treatable with metformin.

peekaboo2011

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[QUOTE]The definition of rights has obviously been stretched a ton in the past few decades.  <strong>I thought that rights were things that were as important as freedom and free speech</strong>. I didn't realize that acid reflux medicine was a right, my bad! Also, yaga PCOS is not cured by ABC. ABC simply covers up the symptoms of PCOS.  I have PCOS as well and know that is really sucks.  They have showed that PCOS is connected to insulin resistance and may be treatable with metformin.
Posted by shawna127[/QUOTE]

<div>This will also probably never be read, but I'm now annoyed.</div><div>
</div><div>Your body isn't as important as free speech?  You don't have the right to choose what you take?  And you don't have the right to be able to afford decent healthcare?  Is that what you're telling me?  Your health isn't as important as free speech?</div><div>
</div><div>We are damned lucky to be living in a country that offers (usually) affordable healthcare.  Damned lucky to have freedoms to choose what we put in to our bodies and what we do with them.  But what you're saying is that that isn't a right or a freedom?  SINCE WHEN?</div><div>
</div><div>If you can tell me why I shouldn't have the right to take BCP, why I shouldn't have the right to talk to my doctor and get the most affordable options for my reproductive health, then maybe what you're saying is slightly more than rhetoric.  Because right now you just sound like an asshole.</div>

shawna127

Pretty sure you know that I didn't mean that you can't choose what you put in your body. I don't care if you take birth control, I don't care if you smoke weed, drink milk, take drugs, I don't care, it's your body. I'm just saying since when is it a right to have something that you choose to take paid for?  

 And health care, yes I agree it should be affordable.  But my sister is a doctor and she is a quarter of a million dollars in debt from student loans, which is pretty minor compared to other doctors, and your telling me that she doesn't have the right to charge for her hard earned and payed for knowledge, she should just give it away for free (I wasn't even talking about health care before, but since it was brought up).  If you can afford to help others than by all means, but doctors have families and bills too.  They had to pay a lot and go through a lot to get to where they are and shouldn't be forced to give their services away for free. 

peekaboo2011

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[QUOTE]Pretty sure you know that I didn't mean that you can't choose what you put in your body. I don't care if you take birth control, I don't care if you smoke weed, drink milk, take drugs, I don't care, it's your body. I'm just saying since when is it a right to have something that you choose to take paid for?    And health care, yes I agree it should be affordable.  But my sister is a doctor and she is a quarter of a million dollars in debt from student loans, which is pretty minor compared to other doctors, and your telling me that she doesn't have the right to charge for her hard earned and payed for knowledge, she should just give it away for free (I wasn't even talking about health care before, but since it was brought up).  If you can afford to help others than by all means, but doctors have families and bills too.  They had to pay a lot and go through a lot to get to where they are and shouldn't be forced to give their services away for free. 
Posted by shawna127[/QUOTE]

<div>I am well aware of student loan debt, thank you very much.  However, in this case, the doctor themselves is NOT paying for birth control.  The insurance company is.  Who is, in turn, depriving the pharmaceutical companies.  And I don't know about you, but having friends who work for those companies, they aren't in debt.  Far from it.</div><div>
</div><div>So don't tell me that your sister is paying for my BC.  Because she isn't.  Nor is she paying for ANY of her patients' BC.</div>

shawna127

I was talking about health care there, not birth control. I never said she was paying for it (sorry if it appeared that way). I thought we were talking about health care in that part, not ABC