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The Easiest Way POSSIBLE

Yesterday, FI was a saint. Today, I want to smack him.

For instance, totally normal: I was trying to decide what shoes to wear today. I ask "Should I wear the gray ones or the brown ones?" knowing full well he probably wouldn't care enough to give me an honest answer. He says "the gray ones."

I put the brown ones on. "Are you sure?" He says "Those look fine."

I considered putting the gray ones on and asking again to see what he would say.... because I know he'd then say "Those look fine, just wear them."

That's just an example. It's always "the easiest way to do things." Here's what's driving me crazy:

I am trying to address our wedding invitation envelopes. I asked him who his sister is bringing. He says "Just put 'and guest.'" I said "No, I don't want to put and guest. I want to put their name. It's more polite."

He texted his sister after much complaining and found out the guy's name. Then he proceeds to argue with me about how we should just send the guy his own invitation. I said no, he's your sister's guest. And FI says "Yeah, but if you're not going to put "and guest" you should just send him his own because his name will be on it anyway."

I tried to explain etiquette to him.... and he said his mom and I have two differing versions of etiquette. I say, like what?

His mom says that on the front envelope you should put "Mr. & Mrs Firstname Lastname" and on the inside envelope you put "Firstname Firstname and Family"

I said "So, what do I say?"

I say put "Mr. & Mrs. Firstname Lastname" on the outer envelope, and on the next line you put the names of their children.

Right. so...... the discrepency?

We don't have inside envelopes. So, his mom and I are BOTH right. Amazing.

Now he complains that the etiquette police are not going to kill us if we put "and guest" or "and family." I say, I want to do things the right way because I would like to show some thought and concern about addressing my guests properly. He says, nobody will care.

*I* cared when we were invited to a formal wedding for a former roommate of OURS who addressed us "Joshua Lastname and Guest."

WE HAVE BEEN TOGETHER ALMOST 6 YEARS AND I LIVED THERE!

So, yeah, as unimportant as it may seem, it does look careless and kind of even a little rude in our case. We were already engaged when they invited us.

FI says he hated addressing his graduation envelopes and doesn't see why I should stress so much over wedding envelopes.

I say, I wouldn't have to stress so much if he would just answer my questions about his family and friends and stop making things so much more difficult just because he wants to address things "Billy Bob, My Best Buddy Ever and Guest" and I'd like to put "Mr. William Robert Jones & Ms. Jane Smith."

Can anybody out there relate to this?
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  • edited December 2011
    Oh yeah. I can relate to this. FI is not allowed to touch my laundry because he doesn't believe that it should be sorted and shoves as much as possible of anything into the washer and dumps it all into the dryer. I have delicates that can't be treated that way.

    I mentioned that we need to do the cake soon and told him we should make an appointment. He looked at me and asked why need to make an appointment. I told him it was so we could try the cake and pick out the design. He said, why don't we just get chocolate and get a white cake? ::blink, blink::

    Yeah, I don't get it.
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  • edited December 2011
    EXACTLY!

    Except my FI actually WANTS to do a cake tasting. Imagine that. lol

    He's fine with taking time out of his busy schedule to eat cake, but he can't pause a video game long enough to text his best man about bringing a date.
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  • katanne9katanne9 member
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    edited December 2011
    Hahaha YES. I had to explain WHY we should NOT have a cash bar, and why we need RSVPs. Sometimes they just don't get it...
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_easiest-way-possible?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:7d370e75-4048-41de-aa07-4bea8fd0b77dPost:488bd252-e55f-4765-b2a5-f7d0615caba4">Re: The Easiest Way POSSIBLE</a>:
    [QUOTE]EXACTLY! Except my FI actually WANTS to do a cake tasting. Imagine that. lol He's fine with taking time out of his busy schedule to eat cake, but he can't pause a video game long enough to text his best man about bringing a date.
    Posted by jeanacorina[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, if FI liked cake he'd be all over it. Steak testing? He'd be there. Oh and the XBOX and the computer with WOW on it are about to be tossed out the window! FI was on vacation two weeks ago and seems to think that just because he was able to play for hours on end then that he should now that he's back to work. Sorry FI but I want to spend time with you and I die on the first board of Super Mario Brothers!

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  • edited December 2011
    Sigh. We aren't planning yet, but for fun I was daydreaming about wedding colors. I was telling FI about all the combinations I liked and themes that could go with them. Yadda yadda. I asked what he thought about colors. His response?

    Red.

    That's it. Red. Just the color. I asked about accent colors. He said "Just red."

    ???????
  • loopy82loopy82 member
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    edited December 2011
    This is why my FI is on a need to know basis. It keeps us both happier if I just go along with planning and only involve him if necessary. He doesn't find ceremony flowers or reception centerpieces necessary. He doesn't see the point of anything beyond saying I do, eating some food, dancing and having some drinks.

    I did make a very very long to-do list and he was interested, interested in what my lengthy list contained but not about making ribbon bands for vases.
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  • hetshuphetshup member
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    edited December 2011
    I'm going to side with Josh on this one. I once got an invite for a friends wedding addressed to both of us, and I was totally weirded out. Though, I am in a serious relationship, I thought it was a bit presumptuous to assume that I would want to bring FI. I guess I think, if I'm allowed to have a guest, then I should chose who I want that guest to be. 

    But then again, if I addressing all the envelopes, I'm addressing them the way I want to, and I'll flat out tell him that. If FI has a really strong opinion about something he will do it himself, he's great like that. 

    Oh and I just asked him what our wedding colors are: he looked at him terrified and said.... cranberry? 
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  • desertsundesertsun member
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    edited December 2011
    I ask FI's opinion on things, and he just looks at me, and I say, "Okay, you don't care." B/c I really don't expect him to care about color of towels in our registry. And his standard response is "I care. I just don't have a preference."

    I think it's adorable. :)

    It was also adorable the other night when I asked for his help with stationery color samples. He was very concerned about looking at them against a white background, and he very methodically went though all possible combinations and had me say which were better. He helped me decide without having an opinion of his own.

    He knows me so well. :)

    Sorry to be sappy, but I'm having one of those weeks where I'm just so damn happy and excited, mostly b/c FI is so wonderful. :)


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  • edited December 2011
    Hetshup, although I don't get why you'd be weirded out by an invitation being addressed to both of you as a couple, I do understand about the "if one person feels so strongly they just handle it themselves."

    ....which would be why I'm doing the envelopes. He doesn't REALLY care. He doesn't understand that this is my chance to be all super-girly and pay attention to old-fashioned etiquette and maybe even feel like it's my pretty princess day and I'm doing all the things a pretty princess should do.

    He just wants it to be easy. Even if he doesn't have to do ANYTHING extra. Ask your sister who she's bringing to the wedding. Ask your best man if he wants to bring a date. I mean.... obviously I'm more social than he is... but I'd be interested in those things regardless of addressing envelopes.

    It is easier, in his mind, FOR HIM if I put "and guest" than if I put "and Firstname Lastname." Even if he's just sitting across the room not doing anything wedding related.

    I don't know, maybe when I think too hard he starts feeling stressed. He's very anti-stress. For anybody. Maybe he's very sensitive to psychic energy?
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  • lodonnell616lodonnell616 member
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    edited December 2011
    If it makes you ladies feel better I too get annoyed when we get invited to weddings with me (or BF) as "and guest"--our rule here is, if we haven't seen the person getting married recently enough for them to have even met both of us, we don't go (most of our weddings do involved travel).

    What irks me even more than that, is when the couple getting married puts both names on the invite...but leaves out the last name instead of just asking what it is!!
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_easiest-way-possible?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:7d370e75-4048-41de-aa07-4bea8fd0b77dPost:bd0e83e6-3f59-4256-8c5e-6fc179c81240">Re: The Easiest Way POSSIBLE</a>:
    [QUOTE] Oh and I just asked him what our wedding colors are: he looked at him terrified and said.... cranberry? 
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  • hetshuphetshup member
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    edited December 2011

    At that point we had only been dating a year or so. I just thought it was really odd, but I was also startled to be invited to that particular wedding. Would it help if you just said, look it's important to me, could you please just do it? I do that all the time.

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  • PaigeMcCPaigeMcC member
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    edited December 2011
    And although I am not planning a wedding, Jeana, the more I hear about your FI the more I think about boyfriend...they seem verrrrrry similar.  He'd rather do everything the easy way, or have me do it  so he can play PS3.  lol

    I understand your fustrations!

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  • katanne9katanne9 member
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    edited December 2011
    Hetshup - they may have been inviting only long term couples, not allowing just any +1.
  • edited December 2011
    Usually if FI's friends are dating someone, I know their name.  If, for some reason, I didn't, I put them on a list and we sat down for 10 minutes and went through them all at once.  It seemed to work best that way, because instead of randomly bugging him about names of people, I just asked for 10 minutes and knocked it out.  If neither of us knew whether they were dating anyone, they didn't get a date.  If by some chance we were wrong, I'm sure they'll call and ask if they can bring one (our friends are really forward about that kind of thing).

    I definitely understand your frustration.  I guess my advice would be to organize the things you need him to help you with so you can just sit down and get it done in an orderly fashion and he can put his game on pause for a short amount of time once, rather than having to keep pausing, etc.  That's what pisses FI off more than anything.  He'd rather I interrupt him once for 10 minutes than 10 times for 1 minute.  Good luck!
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  • edited December 2011
    I'm with you jeana I would much rather get an invitation with both of our names on it. I used to think it wouldn't bug me though - that was until my cousin sent me an invitation to her wedding as 'Sapphire and guest' - WTF cousin? I'm getting married 2 weeks before you and you KNOW who DH is. I think she was still bitter about when I set my date even though she knew the circumstances as to why we set our date when we did.
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  • hetshuphetshup member
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    edited December 2011

    Not to totally threadjack this, but is it ok to address the outside of the envelope to just that one person, then on the inside envelope have both names?

    Now I'm paranoid I'm going to offend some people.

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  • tafft1tafft1 member
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    edited December 2011
    i think i am the odd one out..my FI is very proactive in planning and asking questions about not only wedding ideas and stuff but about everything. Granted he does things that make me want to go *smack* but don't we all , lol :)

    i can definitely understand the above frustrations and sometimes a well placed smack to the head can help..really :)
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  • edited December 2011
    Yes, hetshup. That's fine.

    We just don't have inside envelopes.
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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_easiest-way-possible?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:7d370e75-4048-41de-aa07-4bea8fd0b77dPost:eace3617-fe4a-4020-b0cc-e46454070c31">Re: The Easiest Way POSSIBLE</a>:
    [QUOTE]This is why my FI is on a need to know basis. It keeps us both happier if I just go along with planning and only involve him if necessary.<strong> He doesn't find ceremony flowers or reception centerpieces necessary. He doesn't see the point of anything beyond saying I do, eating some food, dancing and having some drinks.</strong> I did make a very very long to-do list and he was interested, interested in what my lengthy list contained but not about making ribbon bands for vases.
    Posted by loopy82[/QUOTE]
    He must be related to my FI.
  • edited December 2011
    Addressing invitations is frustrating.  Anything having to do with the guest list is frustrating.

    I told then FI that if he didn't answer my questions by a certain date then I was just not going to invite that person with a guest (or at all in some cases.)  I gave him a list and sent him an email.  His side of the guest list was his reponsibility.  If he wanted those people there, then he could do the legwork.  If it wasn't done, then he obviously didn't want them there.  I gave him one reminder a week before the date.  He got all the information that was needed. 

    I am like this in general though.  I know that if it is important to him, he will do it.  If it isn't important to him, then I just don't worry about it.  I am his partner in life, not his caretaker/assistant.  He is able to accomplish a ton in his professional life.  He can apply himself in other areas when he wants to.  If it pertains to both of us, I am allowed to 'nag' him - and he cannot get frustrated with me nagging him.  He knows that I do not like to 'nag' him and that it bugs me as well, so he has taken to getting his shiit done. 

    Good luck. 
  • edited December 2011
    Jeana, I have decided to postpose etiquette arguments until later down the line.   Let's just say that FI doesn't seem to care if some of our guests are in a relationship.  He said if either of us doesn't know the SO, they shouldn't be invited.  Of course I've told him that it is wrong.  We have to agree to disagree for now.  I feel your pain.  I think a lot of men couldn't care less about wedding etiquette.  
  • edited December 2011
    Oh I agree with you 100%!!  I personally know how unnerving it is to get an invitation that says & Guest when the people KNOW you've been with someone for a long time.  I think you're completely in the right, as always, Jeana.  Go ahead and smack FI.
  • edited December 2011
    Ohhhh, I see you must have gotten some e-pics back!!  I'd better go hunt down that thread.......
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