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  • cu97tigercu97tiger
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    edited December 2011
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    Tiger - Thanks so much for sharing. There is an abortion clinic 2 blocks from where I work and people protest there everyday. I've never viewed anything in the aborition process as an easy decision, but seeing those people there everyday really makes me appreciate how hard that decision really is for people.
    Posted by Hazel_B
    When I lived in Richmond, VA, there were protesters at a clinic near my house everyday. I think they should be arrested for the horrific images they would hold up to anyone pulling into the parking lot or even driving by. Like I'm not scarred for life by my decision already... those people should be arrested for inflicting cruel and unusual punishment.
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  • Hazel_BHazel_B
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : It doesn't have to be that way though. I believe that life begins at conception, and that is a person separate from the mother. But at the same time, I think there are some extremely limited circumstances where I would see abortion as a potential option.
    Posted by heyimbren
    Bren - I respect your opinions, but I have to agree with Mutley. Sure you can view life as begining at conception, but until that baby is viable to live away from their mother it is essentially a parasite as well. Until that baby is viable they are not separate.
  • edited December 2011
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    Mutley, I will start a list and I would be glad if you punched them all for me. :)
    Posted by LivLeighton
    I have a long list myself, so it might take awhile.  My list grows substantially when I am pregnant.  My tolerance for idiots drops dramatically.  It isn't very high to start with. 
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  • heyimbrenheyimbren
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Just out of curiosity (not being snarky, really!), how is a fetus separate from the mother at time of conception when it relies soley on her for survival until, at most generous estimates, 24 weeks gestational age?
    Posted by LivLeighton
    Let me clarify - I do recognize that the fetus relies on the mother's body to survive, I would never deny that they aren't separate in that sense. I mean that it is separate and deserves acknowledgment that it is a life in and of itself, even if it does rely solely on the mother for a period of time.

  • Hazel_BHazel_B
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : When I lived in Richmond, VA, there were protesters at a clinic near my house everyday. I think they should be arrested for the horrific images they would hold up to anyone pulling into the parking lot or even driving by. Like I'm not scarred for life by my decision already... those people should be arrested for inflicting cruel and unusual punishment.
    Posted by cu97tiger
    I completely agree. I think people should only be able to protest in front of government buildings and no where near anywhere abortions are performed.

  • edited December 2011
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : That's OK, I can wait. Maybe I should get pregnant so I have an excuse for my ridiculously low tolerance for idiots. Kidding! I should ACTUALLY get pregnant so people stop asking me if I'm pregnant when I'm not, it's just stupid Cushing's syndrome. OK, kidding again, I'm not really going to get pregnant.
    Posted by LivLeighton
    OMG!  HOW CAN YOU JOKE ABOUT GETTING PREGNANT IN A THREAD ABOUT ABORTION?! YOU ARE SO INSENSITVE. 


    The best time for people to ask if you are pregnant is right after you've given birth.  I got asked 1 week post-partum by a stranger WHILE I was out with my newborn son.  My response "I just pushed a baby with a giant head out my vag, so no I'm not pregnant.  That whole area is a no entry zone for awhile.  But thanks for asking."  I totally blamed it on hormones, but in reality I just thought the nosy lady needed a dose of rudeness.


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  • heyimbrenheyimbren
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : It isn't against a woman being able to chose to have an abortion because you believe that the fetus is a person separate from the mother?  I am saying that I understand why you have that opinion.  I'm just saying that your opinion is against the woman having the choice.
    Posted by TheMutleys
    In many cases, yes, I would not be supportive of that choice. But as I said before, there are some situations where I would be receptive to that choice being made available while maintaining my previously stated beliefs.

  • edited December 2011
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Let me clarify - I do recognize that the fetus relies on the mother's body to survive, I would never deny that they aren't separate in that sense. I mean that it is separate and deserves acknowledgment that it is a life in and of itself, even if it does rely solely on the mother for a period of time.
    Posted by heyimbren
    My question is still the same.  I fully understand why someone would be against abortion.  That I get.  I just don't understand how someone describes being against another woman's right to chose to get an abortion as 'pro-life.'  I understand that you are FOR the life of the fetus.  I am not asking that.  I am asking why you don't see it as being against the woman's right to chose. 

    I am not saying that there is a right or a wrong.  I have my opinion, and you have yours.  I don't expect you to change how you feel about the issue.  But I do want to understand how being pro-life is not being anti-choice.
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  • motoLynmotoLyn
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    edited December 2011
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : When I lived in Richmond, VA, there were protesters at a clinic near my house everyday. I think they should be arrested for the horrific images they would hold up to anyone pulling into the parking lot or even driving by. Like I'm not scarred for life by my decision already... those people should be arrested for inflicting cruel and unusual punishment.
    Posted by cu97tiger
    At my college campus they had stands, billboards and people in the middle of the science courtyard and in front of our main campus store protesting abortion.  The images were HORRIFIC.  I was so angry because there was an elementary school adjacent to the campus that I was working as children's librarian and I knew that teachers would lead their class across the courtyard on fieldtrips. 

    I had several of them come up to me and try to convince me that being pro-choice was the wrong thing.  Buddy you are talking to the wrong person.  But no matter how much we discussed it, it was like going in circles.  My college was a public school but seriously things like that SHOULD not be allowed on campus where there are children.
  • edited December 2011
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : I know, I'm such an ass. :)

    I LOVE your response to Mrs. Nosy-pants. Did she clutch her pearls?
    Posted by LivLeighton
    She stepped back in horror.  It was quite awesome. 

    I also rubbed a stranger's belly while saying 'Awkward, isn't it?'  Doubt that she will randomly rub a pregnant stranger's belly ever again. 
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  • edited December 2011
    Just wanted to state for the record that I have not been ignoring my son while posting all morning.  I've just been ignoring my work.  Mr. Man is at my MIL's, and I should have been working all morning.  I just got pulled into the discussion.  Whoooops!  
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  • Hazel_BHazel_B
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : She stepped back in horror.  It was quite awesome.  I also rubbed a stranger's belly while saying 'Awkward, isn't it?'  Doubt that she will randomly rub a pregnant stranger's belly ever again. 
    Posted by TheMutleys
    Love it Mutley!
  • heyimbrenheyimbren
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : My question is still the same.  I fully understand why someone would be against abortion.  That I get.  I just don't understand how someone describes being against another woman's right to chose to get an abortion as 'pro-life.'  I understand that you are FOR the life of the fetus.  I am not asking that.  I am asking why you don't see it as being against the woman's right to chose.  I am not saying that there is a right or a wrong.  I have my opinion, and you have yours.  I don't expect you to change how you feel about the issue.  But I do want to understand how being pro-life is not being anti-choice.
    Posted by TheMutleys
    Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your question, Mutley. I refer to the term "pro-life" because that's what people are familiar with. I don't really care what term is used to describe my viewpoint though.

    I would say that I'm not entirely anti-choice, because as I've said, there are situations when I feel that that choice may be appropriate. But for the most part, that is in extremely rare circumstances when the life of one or the other would already be in danger.

    So perhaps I could better explain it as, I emphasize the right to anyone's life first and foremost, and if that is in danger, then my opinion would be that there would be a choice necessary. Life first, choice second.

  • edited December 2011
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    Just wanted to state for the record that I have not been ignoring my son while posting all morning.  I've just been ignoring my work.  Mr. Man is at my MIL's, and I should have been working all morning.  I just got pulled into the discussion.  Whoooops!  
    Posted by TheMutleys
    I've been procrastinating on my religion homework (ironic).
  • csousa1csousa1
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    I guess I should come up with something a little more substantial than the electric slide so.... I think marajuana should be legalized.  And no, I don't smoke it. 
    Posted by rdr716
    I COMPLETELY agree. And I don't smoke it either. In fact, I can't stand the stuff.

    BF was pulled over with a bag of weed in his car when he was 19. He now is, forever and always, a felon. I think it is ridiculous that someone as mature and responsible as he is, who takes care of his life and is a contributing member of society, can now never pass a CORI, apply for certain jobs, own a handgun, or a multitude of other things that he now cannot do beacuse of a minor stupid thing that he did as a teenager. It's not as though the stupid thing he did in his youth was steal a car or break into someone's home or hit and hurt someone while he was drunk.
  • Hazel_BHazel_B
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    Bren - I don't think you can view yourself as pro choice when you are selecting what choices (that are suitable to you)  they can make. Edit - Consequently, anti-choice.
  • jemmini6jemmini6
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    I also don't understand how anyone could be against legalizing gay marriage.  I have never heard a single argument for it that didn't involve quoting the bible, which is completely irrelevant in the laws of our country (separation of church and state and all).  At least in the abortion debate, there are some scientific arguements in addition to the religious ones so while I don't agree with the opposing side, I'm more apt to at least listen to it.  But there is no legal reason why two consenting adults shouldn't be allowed to marry and I think the religious zealots know it, so they keep hiding further and further behind their scripture.
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  • edited December 2011
    It won't let me quote myself AND you in the same post.  This is when you responded to my statement regarding pro-life being anti-choice.





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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your question, Mutley. I refer to the term "pro-life" because that's what people are familiar with. I don't really care what term is used to describe my viewpoint though.

    I would say that I'm not entirely anti-choice, because as I've said, there are situations when I feel that that choice may be appropriate. But for the most part, that is in extremely rare circumstances when the life of one or the other would already be in danger.

    So perhaps I could better explain it as, I emphasize the right to anyone's life first and foremost, and if that is in danger, then my opinion would be that there would be a choice necessary. Life first, choice second.
    Posted by heyimbren
    I am saying that I believe that when someone is saying that the life of the fetus trumps the choice of the woman that it is anti-choice. 
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  • edited December 2011
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    I also don't understand how anyone could be against legalizing gay marriage.  I have never heard a single argument for it that didn't involve quoting the bible, which is completely irrelevant in the laws of our country (separation of church and state and all).  At least in the abortion debate, there are some scientific arguements in addition to the religious ones so while I don't agree with the opposing side, I'm more apt to at least listen to it.  But there is no legal reason why two consenting adults shouldn't be allowed to marry and I think the religious zealots know it, so they keep hiding further and further behind their scripture.
    Posted by jemmini6
    But think of the goats?  Don't you know that IF gay marriage is legal that people will soon turn to bestiality or some other slippery slope argument. 

    Somewhat related unpopular opinion:
    I have no problem with polygamy for fully, consenting adults. 

    I just don't think that anyone else's marriage situation affects my own.  If everyone in the marriage is an adult, fully consenting, and of sound mind, then let them do what they want. 
    (Yes, I apply this to people getting married young.  I just think it is not in their best interest to get engaged or married young.  I don't think it should be illegal or anything.)
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  • alanna91alanna91
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    I also don't understand how anyone could be against legalizing gay marriage.  I have never heard a single argument for it that didn't involve quoting the bible, which is completely irrelevant in the laws of our country (separation of church and state and all).  At least in the abortion debate, there are some scientific arguements in addition to the religious ones so while I don't agree with the opposing side, I'm more apt to at least listen to it.  But there is no legal reason why two consenting adults shouldn't be allowed to marry and I think the religious zealots know it, so they keep hiding further and further behind their scripture.
    Posted by jemmini6
    On the subject of Gay Marriage, BF sent this to me yesterday: http://i.imgur.com/STYPf.jpg
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  • jemmini6jemmini6
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    Ugh, I hate that slippery slope arguement too.  I think that's another thing that people turn to in desperation because they don't have a legitimate reason against it.

    I'm with you on polygamy Mutley, I don't care how many husbands/wives people want to have, as long as they were all adults and entered into the marriage freely.  (ie. Sister Wives style vs Warren Jeffs style.)
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  • jemmini6jemmini6
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    edited December 2011
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : On the subject of Gay Marriage, BF sent this to me yesterday: http://i.imgur.com/STYPf.jpg
    Posted by alanna91

    Ha ha, that's awesome.  Just posted it on my FB :)
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  • edited December 2011
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : On the subject of Gay Marriage, BF sent this to me yesterday: http://i.imgur.com/STYPf.jpg
    Posted by alanna91
    This is awesome.
  • heyimbrenheyimbren
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    Bren - I don't think you can view yourself as pro choice when you are selecting what choices (that are suitable to you)  they can make. Edit - Consequently, anti-choice.
    Posted by Hazel_B
    I don't view myself as pro-choice, though. I suppose it's more the stigma of the term "anti-choice" that I don't like, but I understand what you're getting at and that's fair enough :)

  • edited December 2011
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : I don't view myself as pro-choice, though. I suppose it's more the stigma of the term "anti-choice" that I don't like, but I understand what you're getting at and that's fair enough :)
    Posted by heyimbren
    That's what I was originally getting at.  The terms are at odds with each other.  One cannot be pro-life without there being an anti-life.  It is more appropriate to describe it as pro-choice and anti-choice. 

    The pro-life sets up that pro-choicers are FOR abortion and against life.  I do not see that as correct in any sense.  However, pro-life is against a woman's choice due to the beliefs regarding when life begins. 

    I think there is a stigma because no one wants to say that they are anti-choice, when the fact of that matter is that they are. 
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  • heyimbrenheyimbren
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : That's what I was originally get at.  The terms are at odds with each other.  One cannot be pro-life without there being an anti-life.  It is more appropriate to describe it as pro-choice and anti-choice.  The pro-life sets up that pro-choicers are FOR abortion and against life.  I do not see that as correct in any sense.  However, pro-life is against a woman's choice due to the beliefs regarding when life begins.  I think there is a stigma because no one wants to say that they are anti-choice, when the fact of that matter is that they are. 
    Posted by TheMutleys
    Agreed, I can see that. But I also admit that I'd feel better about using the term anti-choice if there wasn't such a negative response to it by some people who don't share the opinion. But I'm aware that that works both ways as well.

  • cu97tigercu97tiger
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Agreed, I can see that. But I also admit that I'd feel better about using the term anti-choice if there wasn't such a negative response to it by some people who don't share the opinion. But I'm aware that that works both ways as well.
    Posted by heyimbren
    That's called marketing... if it was the 'anti-choice' movement, it would be pretty hard to get politicians to stand behind it, so it's called 'pro-life' because that is more puppies and rainbows. 

    I'm so glad we can have these rational conversations about difficult topics. NEY rocks. :)
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  • desertsundesertsun
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : But think of the goats?  Don't you know that IF gay marriage is legal that people will soon turn to bestiality or some other slippery slope argument.  Somewhat related unpopular opinion: I have no problem with polygamy for fully, consenting adults.  I just don't think that anyone else's marriage situation affects my own.  If everyone in the marriage is an adult, fully consenting, and of sound mind, then let them do what they want.  (Yes, I apply this to people getting married young.  I just think it is not in their best interest to get engaged or married young.  I don't think it should be illegal or anything.)
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    Excellent. Put me on your waiting list for the position of sister-wife, please.

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  • edited December 2011
    Agree on the rational dialogue. 

    I believe that my issue with the 'pro-life' movement is that it forces one group's beliefs on another.  I can respect people holding a different belief than I do.  I can respect those people making different decisions than others would make.  I cannot respect forcing another person to act according to those beliefs.  Thus, I am pro-choice. 

    I think it would be the same as forcing everyone to eat Kosher.  Yes, I understand that to pro-lifers this would not be the same because eating Kosher doesn't take the life of another human being.  (Their belief, not mine.)  However, I think it is the same in that most pro-lifers come from a religious standpoint.  Thus, it is forcing one's religious beliefs on someone else of a different belief.  Again, it is intertwining church and state. 
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  • edited December 2011
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    In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Excellent. Put me on your waiting list for the position of sister-wife, please.
    Posted by desertsun
    You just want my DH to come and build you a kitchen.  Hmpf. 
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