Not Engaged Yet

Hi again, everyone. New introduction.. invitation for input..

(plus--bonus-- promise not to get snippy about anyone's input.  :)  I've learned my lesson; I'm a reformed bride-to-be..  sorry for going crazy on the board before.  :P)

So..  I want to re-introduce myself..  With details relevant to the kinds of situations and questions I'll be asking about..

I'm a second-time bride. I was married the first time, very young (only 19), and did not recognize the signs of severe emotional abuse until a couple of years of therapy after divorce.  I have one son, from that marriage.  He's preschool age.

As I've said in a previous post, I consider myself not-officially-engaged because my BF and I are not "public" about it, there's no ring on my finger, etc.  That being said, my parents and a few siblings do know, and he's aware of that.  He has asked the question "will you marry me?".. many times, actually, and I have said, "yes."  He and I have been dating just over a year, which has scared me because of how fast it seemed.  (You could say I have slight committment/trust issues from my first marriage.. not too serious, but it makes me think of things I never used to.) I think we both knew after the first 3 or 4 months that we'd eventually be married, but have forced ourselves to pace things, and take it "slow".

He is also divorced, and has a daughter a couple years older than my son.  My son and his daughter absolutely adore each other, which makes things very easy. We love spending time together.  It sounds simple enough, but the issue is that I am still in the midst of an insane custody battle with my ex.  We finalized our divorce years ago, but left custody open-ended in "temporary" status.  It's been the most difficult experience of my life.  My ex, I have now learned/realized, is a text-book emotional abuser and bully.  The problem is that he wants revenge for me leaving him, which has played out in custody issues.  Unfortunately for me, he really wants to take my son away from me completely, is very good at schmoozing people, and currently has all of his family behind him..

This leads to my issue.. I guess it's a vent, but if anyone has input, I'm open to new perspectives.

Edited out some details for privacy..  but basically, getting a lot of pressure from family, and even attorney-- to just get married already... like, soon.  The state I'm in, it's apparently considered bad to introduce my son to the possibility of a "serious relationship" until I'm within 2-3 months of getting married..  the state I live in is very much one that encourages quick marriages.. largely based on archaic religious ideals of no sex before marriage.  A lot of the policy in the state is based around that ideal.  My mom keeps asking why we don't just get married already, attorney says it makes the custody case so much easier if I'm just remarried already, instead of having a BF/fiance. 

I just feel like I don't want to rush the wedding part of things because of stupid policies about hurrying to get married..  but feel so much external pressure for that.  I like the idea of taking the time to get custody stuff done, and then spending time enjoying the planning process of a wedding with BF.

BF has said he's open to considering the justice of the peace type marriage, and doing a reception later, though it's not his preference..   but it's not mine either.  Am I crazy?  Or should I "just get married already"? 

Re: Hi again, everyone. New introduction.. invitation for input..

  • KatyRoseMKatyRoseM member
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    edited December 2011
    I think its a bit crazy to rush into it.  If its the only way to keep your son, which I don't believe, that would be one thing.  I don't know Utah family law, but it seems unlikely this is your only way to keep your son.  Also where in Utah are you?  The courts (as in judges and juries) change drastically depending on where in the state you are. 

    Basically I wouldn't run into a marriage you don't want to rush into. 
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  • coastiegrl25coastiegrl25 member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_hi-again-everyone-new-introduction-invitation-input?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:e4532404-35a8-4ff4-99bd-17174fc11c10Post:2c89dd72-dc4d-4581-aa01-19d487019e13">Re: Hi again, everyone. New introduction.. invitation for input..</a>:
    [QUOTE]I think its a bit crazy to rush into it.  If its the only way to keep your son, which I don't believe, that would be one thing.  I don't know Utah family law, but it seems unlikely this is your only way to keep your son.  Also where in Utah are you?  The courts (as in judges and juries) change drastically depending on where in the state you are.  Basically I wouldn't run into a marriage you don't want to rush into. 
    Posted by KatyRoseM[/QUOTE]

    This. Rushing marriage isn't good in the long run. So you get married and officially bring him into your son's life. Oh, you moved to fast and end up divorced. What's THAT gonna do to your son? I would make sure you just wait and go thru all other options before marrying early just in the sake of custody issues.
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  • edited December 2011
    The issue right now, is we've just had a custody evaluation, .. then had our "settlement conference" where the evaluator presented his observations and suggestions. 

    to my ex:  "Your psychological testing confirms what I had already observed about you:  You are a manipulative, controlling bully.  You like to control other people.  It's 'Do what I want you to, or I'll bully you into it.'  You emotionally manipulate your son.. try to teach him that you don't like his mother, and that he shouldn't either.  That's not me just making that up-- that's straight from my interviews with him.  Your relationship with him is unhealthy and enmeshed"

    to me: "You are test and display as someone who has been abused. You're a bit too intrusive.  You ask him too much about the stuff that goes on at his dad's.  I believe you that he does just tell you a lot, but he does it because he believes it's what you want to hear-- the things his dad does that he's not supposed to." 

    We took a break for attorneys to meet, and then came back for his suggestions:

    "Well, it should stay 50/50, but dad should be primary residence for school and extra curricular activities because he has a strong family support structure there, that he's comfortable with..  By the way Dad, it seems your family doesn't hold back when saying negative things about mom either, and that really has to stop."

    So I'm baffled.  It's likely to end up in court, and then who knows what.  Currently ex is about an hour from me, and he frequently lies about when he's at work, and has his family watch my son (illegally.. it's in our court order), which is why there is that family support structure-- it's time I should have had with my son.  ..  I'm leaving out a lot of details for privacy's sake, but it's really messed up.

    So, no, I don't think it's the only way to keep my son, but it would make for an argument of a "good family support structure" since that was the evaluators reason for suggesting my ex's place as "primary residence". It's a structure he could already have now, except for the state having issues with it, since we're not 2-3 months away from marriage already.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_hi-again-everyone-new-introduction-invitation-input?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:e4532404-35a8-4ff4-99bd-17174fc11c10Post:a1b5a285-c773-47af-951f-e31c430e6d48">Re: Hi again, everyone. New introduction.. invitation for input..</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Hi again, everyone. New introduction.. invitation for input.. : This. Rushing marriage isn't good in the long run. So you get married and officially bring him into your son's life. Oh, you moved to fast and end up divorced. What's THAT gonna do to your son? I would make sure you just wait and go thru all other options before marrying early just in the sake of custody issues.
    Posted by coastiegrl25[/QUOTE]


    I hate living here sometimes.. Things are sooo backwards.  People encourage marriage after dating 2-3 months because they want people to get married quickly rather than have sex before marriage.  It's pretty messed up.  Seems sooo backwards to me.  I don't see a rushed marriage as anymore "permanent" than a long, well thought out engagement, and a very deliberate wedding after building a strong relationship.  Not to mention being a lot more damaging to all involved.  Sooo frustrating how much religion influences policy here.
  • edited December 2011
    Ohhh boy.  Ok, where to start?

    I was myself the product of a horrendous, messy, 16-year long custody battle.  I know this is rough.

    Trust me when I say this...it is NOT wise to get married now.  You HAVE to be really, truly 100% READY to be married.  If you get married for ANY other reason than you both love each other and are ready for that next stage NOW, you're setting up your next marriage for failure, which will be even harder on your son.

    I don't know what UT family laws are like.  I can only speculate.  And I'm not sure what your custody arrangement is.  What I can say is that you should have an ABSOLUTE, contractual custody agreement SIGNED by both you and your ex.  This way, he can't diick you around.  Use concrete days and times.  You can't assume that you'll just work it out later.  You can't be reasonable with an unreasonable person.

    When the divorce is particularly messy, remember to LEAVE YOUR SON OUT OF IT.  However wrong his father is, DO NOT MENTION IT OR COMMENT ABOUT IT IN FRONT OF HIM.  IT WILL SCAR HIM!

    If your ex wants to start funny business because your BF is around your son and you're not married, just be very careful.  Keep records of EVERYTHING.  I know it sounds paranoid, but trust me, in a messy custody battle, you have no idea how bad it can get.

    As for the religious thing... DO NOT GET MARRIED SO YOU CAN HAVE SEX.  DO NOT GET MARRIED SO OTHERS WON'T JUDGE YOU FOR HAVING SEX.  It's just seriously not smart.
  • edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]You can't be reasonable with an unreasonable person. When the divorce is particularly messy, remember to LEAVE YOUR SON OUT OF IT.  However wrong his father is, DO NOT MENTION IT OR COMMENT ABOUT IT IN FRONT OF HIM.  IT WILL SCAR HIM! If your ex wants to start funny business because your BF is around your son and you're not married, just be very careful.  Keep records of EVERYTHING.  I know it sounds paranoid, but trust me, in a messy custody battle, you have no idea how bad it can get. As for the religious thing... DO NOT GET MARRIED SO YOU CAN HAVE SEX.  DO NOT GET MARRIED SO OTHERS WON'T JUDGE YOU FOR HAVING SEX.  It's just seriously not smart.
    Posted by loves2shop4shoes[/QUOTE]


    I agree about leaving my son out of it.  I do.  I actually encourage him in the activities he does with his dad, but his dad is very extremely spiteful, and does things like taking our son's birthday off of work to "be available" in case I did'nt want the full day (even though it was my time this year), but then refusing to come to my son's birthday party, despite my son begging him.  It broke my heart.  My son snuck into the other room with the phone and said, "But dad, I don't WANT 2 birthdays.  I just want 1."

    When he first moved back in with his parents when we'd separated and filed, he told my son (found this out later), "Well, we have to move to grandpa's because Mommy doesn't want to live with us anymore.  But I love you, don't worry." Edit.. taking out some identifying detail.  I have worked very hard to keep it away from my son, but I can't do it all on my own when his dad is working so hard to do the opposite.

    As to the other stuff- don't worry, we're not getting married to be able to have sex.  lol  That ship has sailed.  haha.  I'm just saying, that's a lot of what's expected and typical in this state.  And I really couldn't care less if people judge me for having sex.  It's my life, not theirs. 

    As for not getting married until I'm really ready,  I am ready.  Having a long engagement right now is not about not being ready for marriage.  I've worked VERY extremely hard (therapy, seminars, support groups, parenting classes, books on abusers "Why Does He Do That: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men" is AMAZING) to get "well".  I think that right now I'm about 2000% better than when I was married to my ex, and since separating, etc.  It's been 3 years now.  By the time I started dating BF, I'd finally gotten to the point of my life of not settling for less than what I absolutely demanded, and being very grounded in most aspects of my life.  I'm ready to be married.. I spend all my time when son isn't with me basically living at BF's, and already basically fill the role as step-mom for his daughter.  I LOVE our relationship.  It's exactly what I always imagined relationships should/could be, but never had before. 

    I just want to be able to take my time and savor the wedding process and planning and fun, and not be cheated of that because of the custody stuff.  I want to have an actual wedding, and let my son be involved, etc.  And so feeling pressure to just "get it done", as if the other stuff is irrelevant just makes it feel like somehow I'm not entitled to a real wedding, since it's my second. 

    Just spoke with my mom again a few minutes ago.. "It would be really nice to just know when you guys are getting married!"  the same person who a few months ago said, "Well, I sure hope you're not sleeping with BF. That could lose you custody, you know!?" 
  • edited December 2011

    I'm actually as torn as you are about what advice to give you...

    Part of me says 'you shouldnt be rushed into getting married right now because the state you live in has prehistoric family laws...' But, another part of me is saying 'Assuming that you are being truthful about your behavior compared to that of your ex, your son should not be raised by someone like him...  and if it's a guarantee that you'll be able to avoid your son being placed in such a harmful situation and you're planning on getting married anyway... just do it now.'

    Im wondering if it would be worth hiring a private investigator to catch your ex's family taking care of your son when it's against your court order... Do you think that would be a feasible option for you??

  • edited December 2011
    Lyz, at this point, the private investigator option won't do much.. it's a lot more $, and wouldn't accomplish more than just subpoenaing some records, and filing the necessary paperwork, (about $2000) to hold him in contempt of the court order.  It's a pain, but it's necessary to show what's going on.

    In the meantime, yes, unfortunately I'm telling the truth about my ex's behavior.  While married to him, I got severely depressed which had a lot of fall-out including not ending the marriage well.. read that for the worst possible assumptions about me..  I own that.  I was in a very bad place and have worked hard to not be that person anymore. BUT, I never let it affect my son beyond being lethargic and not as "exciting" a mommy as I would have liked to have been.  I did the best I could at the time.  That's what my ex tries to use against me, saying "you weren't a good mom then, and you're probably even worse now." 

    So I agree, it's harmful for my son to be around that.  The problem is, my ex is very good at "presenting" himself to people.  Who would never guess what he's really like.  Even my own family wasn't sure whether to believe me or not until they saw him come unglued once or twice in front of them, and then started to notice the little things.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_hi-again-everyone-new-introduction-invitation-input?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:e4532404-35a8-4ff4-99bd-17174fc11c10Post:cba0b0a0-bcd5-49d2-ad3d-bd320fc1c6f3">Re: Hi again, everyone. New introduction.. invitation for input..</a>:
    [QUOTE]<strong> When he first moved back in with his parents when we'd separated and filed, he told my son (found this out later), "Well, we have to move to grandpa's because Mommy doesn't want to live with us anymore.  But I love you, don't worry."  or things later like, "When you're mom says something stupid, you should just say 'Move to Mars, would you?'"  I have worked very hard to keep it away from my son, but I can't do it all on my own when his dad is working so hard to do the opposite.</strong>
    Posted by imJacksPGbelly[/QUOTE]

    <div>Listen to me very carefully.  I can completely understand why these things might frustrate you and upset you.  I can.  But let me make it ABUNDANTLY clear to you that your ex's bad behavior does NOT in any way make it ok for you to retaliate through your son.  If your son tells you "Daddy said XYZ" that wasn't true, say, "Son, daddy must have been confused.  I DO want to live with you, but there are grown up problems between me and your dad that don't let that happen."  End of discussion.  THEN speak with your ex PRIVATELY and say, "Johnny said XYZ.  Please do not fill his head with lies or bad images of me.  I am his mother and you have to respect me as such.  If you continue this, I will make a record of every thing he tells me you say about me and I will be filing for full custody based on grounds of parental alienation syndrome."</div><div>
    </div><div>DO NOT GET DOWN ON THAT LEVEL.  It will only make things worse for you AND your son.  You must trust me on this.</div>
  • edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE] DO NOT GET DOWN ON THAT LEVEL.  It will only make things worse for you AND your son.  You must trust me on this.
    Posted by loves2shop4shoes[/QUOTE]

    Agreed.  I have worked very hard to actually always encourage son with his dad.  I don't trash his dad to him or try to alienate. I'm always trying to find ways for him to stay connected with his dad, and feel like he's allowed to love and "keep" both of us.  I feel like I'm finally starting to overcome the gap that my ex created for my son when he was only 3/4, and he's very comfortable with me, telling me everything, which is why he talks to me about so much.

    I may not like my ex's behavior right now, but I honestly don't hate him or hold a grudge about our past relationship.  It's only his continuing current behavior that drives me insane.  And when he's not around me, and being a good dad, I respect that.  My son knows that I appreciate how much his dad plays with him.
     
    I don't ever try to alienate my son from his dad..  i just get frustrated that my ex seems to get away with it, and seemingly even be rewarded for it because of the recommendations on the basis of what our son is currently "comfortable with".  Arggg...   especially knowing that that will change a lot once BF and I get married, and he can live with his will-be step-sister, who he absolutely adores.
  • coastiegrl25coastiegrl25 member
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    edited December 2011
    On the other hand I think you need an award for longest posts written. Once I find a badge for you I will post it. :)
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  • edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]On the other hand I think you need an award for longest posts written. Once I find a badge for you I will post it. :)
    Posted by coastiegrl25[/QUOTE]

    LMAO @ Coastie.

    Unfortunately, I don't have a ton of advice for you I can merely second what Shoes said; she's a smart cookie. I don't know UT law whatsoever so I can't imagine exactly how this works.

    I know what it's like to be with someone who is emotionally and physically abusive - it's rough and I'm glad you've sought out support to get through it. I just have a nagging feeling like you've got "victim syndrome". I am not saying this to make you feel bad at all - it is just my absolute gut reaction. I was an emotionally abusive/manipulative person to my ex-husband and it was one of the reasons I chose to leave after 4 months of marriage (4 years together).

    My own self-awareness made me see that I was utilizing the "victim" role to have others sympathize with me and put my ex in a bad light. Don't get me wrong he was and still is a f-cked up person but it doesn't excuse my behavior. Kids are perceptive and your son is likely picking up on ANY residual disdain you have towards his father.

    Getting married is the wrong choice, I believe so anyway. I know you claim that you don't want to rush into anything but you were planning wedding locations and you are not even engaged yet. Talking about getting married is great but unless you and BF can get on the same page and decide TOGETHER when things may happen; all this speculation is useless.

    I just want you to know this is in no way meant to bash you; I just know how it feels to be engaged a long time vs being pressured to move faster the second time around. I think you should be enjoying your relationship as it is right now - marriage seems like an unnecessary drama to add to this.

    Go to court. Get this worked out the best you can between you and your EX, then concentrate on your son and you and your BF's future.

    That's just my opinion though.

    **Whew coastie I went long too!****
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  • edited December 2011
    LOL @ Coastie.  :)  I know.  I just can't seem to help it.  I re-write a lot, when I actually want to be concise.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Hi again, everyone. New introduction.. invitation for My own self-awareness made me see that I was utilizing the "victim" role to have others sympathize with me and put my ex in a bad light.
    Posted by nottheonlydreamer44[/QUOTE]

    I totally get what you mean.  At this point, there probably is some level of that.  In my relationship with ex, though, there wasn't.  I absolutely blamed myself for everything.  It was all my fault, and I went to extreme lengths to conceal from my family what was going on with ex.  Which is why they had such a hard time coming around at first, because he actually went and sought my siblings out individually to explain to them how I was a horrible person, but he would be willing to forgive and stay with me, if they could help get me "under control".

    Not sure how you define 'being a victim'.  For me, it's whining about the current situation, and then not taking accountability for my part or doing anything to change it.  I was privately one, before.  I would be sad and feel sorry for myself, and my accountability was realistically a lot less than I would blame on myself, but I wouldn't do anything about it, so I was "stuck".  But the victim syndrome has sort of set in differently since I've decided to start doing something about my life.  At first it was very freeing and empowering, taking action to improve things for myself.  But after the fact.. after leaving, after getting out of the situation, I suppose I thought things would be much better, and instead, I'm in a situation where I can't escape my ex.  My attorney, our first mediator, etc, have all said, "He's a drama king.  I've never seen someone be so determined to get revenge." 

    And so I feel stuck again.  No matter how much I try to give in to appease him, he really just wants to see me suffer, so it's not enough, and now here we are, 3 years later.  When I catalog all of the crap he's pulling, I start feeling sorry for myself, and then upset because I really don't know what else I can do to stop it.. if anything, because he keeps seeming to get away with things.. like his mom filling out my son's dental paperwork, and signing a note that they couldn't release the info to <em>me</em> without my ex's permission.  I can work on addressing what comes up, but don't have a clue for the remedy to prevent things coming up.

    The positive thing, is that for the most part, I keep that all self-contained.  I don't talk to many people about it.. just my parents and my best friend, really.  It's not been an issue with BF.. he's seen this stuff before, and it doesn't scare him off, so we've been able to keep our relationship relatively unharmed.  I think I should redefine my status as officially, but not-publicly engaged.  We are both on the same page, and both planning.  Just yesterday, he called and said, he would really prefer to get married <em>not</em> in state since most of his friends/family are out of state, and a lot of mine are as well, if I was okay with that.  This isn't me going BSC about planning locations-- my first question here was legit.  :) It's something to consider because it will probably affect when we get "publicly engaged."

     We just aren't public about planning because we know we have time.. but then have family, etc, and even my attorney jumping in and saying "just hurry and do it.  what's the point of a long engagement?"  It's frustrating.  I just want to be able to enjoy the process of waiting for him to propose "officially, with a ring" when he does.  I want to enjoy the process of planning a wedding like it's "real", not an afterthought.  I want to be able to share some of the excitement about it all with my son, who has told me before that he wants me to get married again sometime, because he wants to carry my ring (he'd watched someone's wedding video, apparently). 

    I'm a little glad that the general feeling is that rushing the marriage part, just for court reasons is crazy.
  • Blue & WhiteBlue & White member
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    edited December 2011
    I don't know if this is a question answered above specifically...and it has nothing to do with marriage (I don't think your custody issues should play into your decisions about marriage much except that you should not get married and change your son's life so drastically until he's in a stable environment.  So I'd likely finish the custody issues first.)

    However, with descriptions like:

    Ex: "you're too emotionally abusive"
    You: "you're too nosy"

    How did the Ex get custody for school and whatnot?

    Even if my future marriage goes down the toilet, I want my children going to the best schools available.  Not to an emotionally abusive home.
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  • edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE] However, with descriptions like: Ex: "you're too emotionally abusive" You: "you're too nosy" How did the Ex get custody for school and whatnot? Even if my future marriage goes down the toilet, I want my children going to the best schools available.  Not to an emotionally abusive home.
    Posted by Blue & White[/QUOTE]

    I honestly don't know.  :(  He hasn't "gotten" custody yet.. it's the evaluator saying what he recommends, as of interviewing my son 6 months ago.  At the time, my ex was doing a lot more psychological warfare on my son, who would then say things like "I just want to stay at my dad's then, if you're not going to let me do that."  Or, "My dad doesn't like you because you don't let me do things that I want to."  I finally started letting him sleep in my bed because I didn't want that to be the issue that lost me custody of my son.  Eventually I plan to return him to his own bed.  :P  The irony is that the evaluator also said to me:  "Your tests showed what I already thought about you as well:  You show all of the landmark characteristics of someone who has been abused.  You respond to Ex as a bully, and give in to things, because you are genuinely afraid of him."

    I was baffled (as was my attorney), that he came back and said, that because of my son's comfort with the family support w/ ex, and felt more aligned with ex, that he should go to school there.  I'm annoyed because it's a tiny little shut-in town, and not a very good school.  But I'm also really overwhelmed with how to get people to see ex for what he is.  Everyone seems to keep thinking he's reasonable, and that if they just tell him to stop acting like he is, that it'll change.  It doesn't. 

    So at this point, it's likely to go to court, pointing out the evaluators observations, and hoping that they carry more weight than the "suggestions" for schooling.. especially since lately my son has been saying "I wish I could go to school with you.  I don't want to go to school in X-town, but my dad said I have to."  It's a really messed up situation, but when I try to point it out, I am told along with ex that "we both need to grow up".  My attorney said, "Well, what you're dealing with is the fact that it's hard to fight a tar baby without getting covered in tar."
  • Blue & WhiteBlue & White member
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    edited December 2011
    Wow, ImJacks, that's nuts.  I hope all turns out best for your son :)  And that the judge at least grants you enough favor to realize that your son is likely better in a victim's house than that of an abuser.  I know people can change, but it just doesn't seem as though this behavior of your ex will change.

    What's your new bf like?  Cause he has the potential to be much cooler.  Plus I'd advise leaving much of your custody battle offline so the ex can't find it and say it's you later :)  Crazy interwebz and all (though I think you left it general enough!)
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  • edited December 2011
    This situation is so messed up, I'm not even sure where to start with it.  My own feelings are conflicted.

    1) I agree that there's no point in rushing a marriage for court reasons.  However, you say that you and BF are ready for marriage right now, custody issues aside.  IF that's really true (and that's something you'd need to be 100% sure on), then I see no reason not to get married if it would resolve the custody problems. 

    Ask yourself what is going to be better in the long run for your son: participating in a big fluffy white wedding day, or getting to live with you as primary custody holder? 

    2) If there's a chance, at all, that you aren't ready for marriage to BF yet, then I think it's probably best to resolve custody issues first.  A bad second marriage could cause more harm than good (as other posters on here have demonstrated).

    Honestly, what I'm hearing mostly from you is "I don't want to JOP because I want the wedding MY way".  But if it came down to what's better for my child, I'd JOP in an instant. 

    Just my $0.02.  GL, to you and your son!
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  • desertsundesertsun member
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    edited December 2011
    Noelle took the jumbled thoughts in my head and put together a coherent post. Ditto everything she said. :)

    GL and please keep us updated!
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  • edited December 2011
    Blue&White, thanks for the reminder about crazy internet crap.  I may go back and edit out.  I was purposefully vague with details and using no names, but I am also paranoid about stuff being tracked down.  You never know who's on these things.  I hope no one will think I'm a dirty deleter if I delete some of the slightly more specific details..  :P

    Noelle, thanks for the input.  Definitely some food for thought.  When you put it that way..  [quote]"I don't want to JOP because I want the wedding MY way".  But if it came down to what's better for my child, I'd JOP in an instant.  [/quote].    It does make me think of it a bit more..   That is a part of it, wanting the wedding my way.  Of course, part of it is just wanting to have it feel like a happy, celebration, not just falling into it.  We are ready, but I would love to not have stress of custody outcomes hanging over my head while planning, etc. 

    I like having input and completely different perspectives to roll around in my head, but don't like to talk about it all to people around me because I don't like having big dramatic conversations all the time (shocker.  I know. haha)  But it's good to think about some of this.  No immediate resolution on the horizon, but things may get a shake-up in the next 2-4 months.  So we'll see.  I'll keep you guys posted. 

    And I'm now going to go back and edit out a lot of the details in my posts.  :P
  • calindicalindi member
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    edited December 2011
    You can throw together a very meaningful, thoughtful ceremony in 3 months (which is the time frame that you said the courts will consider as a valid relationship).  Ditto everything Noelle said, but if you decide to get married sooner rather than later, you can still have a fantastic wedding in 3 months.  You'd probably be able to get some discounts because vendors who aren't booked up will be happy to fill the day.  Just an idea!

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