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    PandaBurrPandaBurr member
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    edited December 2011
    Why thank you, my love. Laughing

    I had to do it. When I went to visit my family back in September, all everyone could say was, "Whoa." Besides, my normal weight is around 105-110 (I'm only 5'), and I gained 40 lbs over the course of like 9 months. So losing the weight is really just going back to my old normal weight. I quit baking brownies everyday... that seemed to help for some reason...
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    paintgirlpaintgirl member
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    edited December 2011
    Ha! I want brownies every day! But that would probably not help my current weight loss goals... :0
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    PandaBurrPandaBurr member
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    edited December 2011
    I blame it all on the brownies. Do you know how many STICKS of butter are in a batch?? And I was literally eating two or three squares a day, on top of gorging on everything. I was probably throwing at least 6000 calories a day in my body, easily.
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    PaigeMcCPaigeMcC member
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    edited December 2011
    Now I want brownies.



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    PandaBurrPandaBurr member
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    edited December 2011
    Don't doooo eeet! (allrecipes.com has a GREAT brownie recipe, and an awesome brownie fudge frosting to go with it)....


    Also, DNL just got busted trying to trick someone into buying their rings by posing as a customer. What kind of ETHICAL company does this?
    http://betterthandiamond.com/discussion/ubbthreads.php/topics/594434/Melinda_S#Post594434
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    PaigeMcCPaigeMcC member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_e-ring-shopping-real-vs-stimulant?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:f16abd58-41b7-49f5-9938-f08e81a8a081Post:b339d3b7-ab0b-40e2-8254-fb0bd579cf4c">Re: E-Ring Shopping Real vs Stimulant</a>:
    [QUOTE]Don't doooo eeet! (allrecipes.com has a GREAT brownie recipe, and an awesome brownie fudge frosting to go with it).... <strong>Also, DNL just got busted trying to trick someone into buying their rings by posing as a customer. What kind of ETHICAL company does this? <a href="http://betterthandiamond.com/discussion/ubbthreads.php/topics/594434/Melinda_S#Post594434" rel="nofollow">http://betterthandiamond.com/discussion/ubbthreads.php/topics/594434/Melinda_S#Post594434</a></strong>
    Posted by PandaBurr[/QUOTE]

    <div>Wow.  As a PR professional I have to just *facepalm* this.</div>

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    leia1979leia1979 member
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    edited December 2011
    Just to throw out another possibility. I have a Lannyte. It's holding up well so far and is absolutely clear (the Moissanite I had looked at was slightly yellow, but I know they vary). Lannyte is another glorified CZ, but the company offers a lifetime warranty and will replace your stone if it gets cracked or scratched with normal use. It was about half the price of a Moissanite.

    And I want to know where you can get stimulant diamonds.  But Paint beat me to it by a mile.
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    edited December 2011
    My 1ct moissanite only looks a little green-ish in low natural light. 

    If you get one, be sure to have it enhanced. Feel free to PM me with more question. 




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    Elle1036Elle1036 member
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    edited December 2011
    Oooh Panda I love your new ring!

    Also, thanks for clarifing about the interlap/wink thing.  I knew the company was wink, but I feel like I always found more info about them by searching "interlap".
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    edited December 2011
    By the way, lab-created sapphires are pretty easy to come by, and much cheaper than mined stones. And sapphires can be white, i.e. clear. Just to offer another possibility.
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    Elle1036Elle1036 member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_e-ring-shopping-real-vs-stimulant?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:f16abd58-41b7-49f5-9938-f08e81a8a081Post:af649a2b-0e6f-4c07-bc4d-fc365e08415b">Re: E-Ring Shopping Real vs Stimulant</a>:
    [QUOTE]By the way, lab-created sapphires are pretty easy to come by, and much cheaper than mined stones. And sapphires can be white, i.e. clear. Just to offer another possibility.
    Posted by artbyallie[/QUOTE]

    Not that my opinion on this really matters, but I really hate white sapphires.  They always look dull and cloudy to me.

    I LOVE colored sapphires, though.
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    edited December 2011
    Fair enough. I prefer blue ones personally, but I just wanted to point out that they do come in pretty much any color.
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    edited December 2011
    Thank you to everyone that responded! 

    My bad with the stimulant vs simulated! I didn't even notice!

    I had previously researched moissanite and opted against it due to the gray/green coloring. Also, we don't want a natural diamond b/c we feel the industry is all around too shady. Price is a factor but not the only factor.

    After reading all of your advice we have decided to go with ashadiamonds.com. We found a setting that we both love and its half the price of DNL! 


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    Elle1036Elle1036 member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_e-ring-shopping-real-vs-stimulant?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:f16abd58-41b7-49f5-9938-f08e81a8a081Post:d15c3c65-2388-487b-a847-ebf2eeff0fec">Re: E-Ring Shopping Real vs Stimulant</a>:
    [QUOTE]Thank you to everyone that responded!  My bad with the stimulant vs simulated! I didn't even notice! I had previously researched moissanite and opted against it due to the gray/green coloring. Also, we don't want a natural diamond b/c we feel the industry is all around too shady. Price is a factor but not the only factor. After reading all of your advice we have decided to go with ashadiamonds.com. We found a setting that we both love and its half the price of DNL! 
    Posted by AshnRobo[/QUOTE]

    Good choice.  Now you must show us the ring.  Link?
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    bladeskbladesk member
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    edited December 2011

    Hi Everyone -

     

    Kyle Blades from Diamond Nexus labs here. I want to take this opportunity to respond to a few misconceptions you have.

     

    First off, we do carry "lab-created" diamonds, or synthetic diamonds. However, it is very difficult and expensive to produce a clear synthetic diamond over a 1/2 carat. Colored synthetic diamonds are easier to produce but no one in the world can easily create clear synthetic diamonds. However, we do offer them as part of our jewel line.

     

    I also want to make it clear that we do not sell CZ. Cubic zirconia is made up of only two elements: zirconium and oxygen. Our gemstones on the other hand are made up of the ten elements: carbon, sulfur, iron, calcium, cobalt, nickel, yttrium, zirconium, gadolinium and hafnium. Although CZ can be very nice, our advanced chemical composition allows us to differentiate ourselves from CZ by weight, hardness and coating. If you would like more information on our unique gemstones, I invite you to checkout: http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/compare_to_cz.php

     

    The reason it is becoming harder to find false information about us is because we have brought several lawsuits against other companies claiming that DNL gemstones were cubic zirconia. In all cases we have prevailed. See here for details: http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/legal.php

     

    I also want to address us deleting comments off of our Facebook wall.  Since I have worked at this company, we have only ever deleted one person from our wall.  One of our competitors created a fake profile and was trying to lie about us.  What happened when they did this is that our customers defended us and would not allow such false information to stand.  However, when the person again tried to post on our page, we blocked them.  We are all for competition but we believe it should be fair and open. 

     

    Finally, I want to point out that DNL has an "A" ratting with the Better Business Bureau, we offer a full guarantee on all of our products and we have served over 200,000 satisfied customers. If you would like to see what those customers are saying about us, I invite you to check-out our Facebook fan page at: http://www.facebook.com/DiamondNexus

     

    Please understand, I don’t mean to be over defensive or argumentative. However, DNL simply will not tolerate false or misleading information posted about us online. DNL represents a revolution for the consumer, and is a great threat to the diamond industry, and we must constantly defend ourselves against spurious claims meant to undermine us.

     

    I sincerely hope this information helps. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to me personally.

     

    Thank you,

     

    Kyle Blades

    kyle.blades@diamondnexuslabs.com

    linkedin.com/in/kpblades

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    PandaBurrPandaBurr member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_e-ring-shopping-real-vs-stimulant?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:f16abd58-41b7-49f5-9938-f08e81a8a081Post:4903c09d-2197-4f8f-8c30-8311a0c560a1">Re: E-Ring Shopping Real vs Stimulant</a>:
    [QUOTE]Hi Everyone -   Kyle Blades from Diamond Nexus labs here. I want to take this opportunity to respond to a few misconceptions you have.   First off, we do carry "lab-created" diamonds, or synthetic diamonds. However, it is very difficult and expensive to produce a clear synthetic diamond over a 1/2 carat. Colored synthetic diamonds are easier to produce but no one in the world can easily create clear synthetic diamonds. However, we do offer them as part of our jewel line.   I also want to make it clear that we do not sell CZ. Cubic zirconia is made up of only two elements: zirconium and oxygen. Our gemstones on the other hand are made up of the ten elements: carbon, sulfur, iron, calcium, cobalt, nickel, yttrium, zirconium, gadolinium and hafnium. Although CZ can be very nice, our advanced chemical composition allows us to differentiate ourselves from CZ by weight, hardness and coating. If you would like more information on our unique gemstones, I invite you to checkout: <a href="http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/compare_to_cz.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/compare_to_cz.php</a>   The reason it is becoming harder to find false information about us is because we have brought several lawsuits against other companies claiming that DNL gemstones were cubic zirconia. In all cases we have prevailed. See here for details: <a href="http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/legal.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/legal.php</a>  I also want to address us deleting comments off of our Facebook wall.  Since I have worked at this company, we have only ever deleted one person from our wall.  One of our competitors created a fake profile and was trying to lie about us.  What happened when they did this is that our customers defended us and would not allow such false information to stand.  However, when the person again tried to post on our page, we blocked them.  We are all for competition but we believe it should be fair and open.    Finally, I want to point out that DNL has an "A" ratting with the Better Business Bureau, we offer a full guarantee on all of our products and we have served over 200,000 satisfied customers. If you would like to see what those customers are saying about us, I invite you to check-out our Facebook fan page at: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/DiamondNexus" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/DiamondNexus</a>   Please understand, I don’t mean to be over defensive or argumentative. However, DNL simply will not tolerate false or misleading information posted about us online. DNL represents a revolution for the consumer, and is a great threat to the diamond industry, and we must constantly defend ourselves against spurious claims meant to undermine us.   I sincerely hope this information helps. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to me personally.   Thank you,   Kyle Blades kyle.blades@diamondnexuslabs.com linkedin.com/in/kpblades
    Posted by bladesk[/QUOTE]

    Hi Kyle,

    I do have a few questions while you're here. The post that I saw deleted from your FB wall was a post that had listed four independent lab test results confirming that your stone was in fact CZ, and had no coating on it, from someone who had posted on your wall before asking questions about your stone. Fake or not, can you comment on the test results? Are you pursuing legal action against these labs for falsifying test results?

    Also, I read on your website that your stones have an outer protective corundum layer, but in your list of elements aluminum isn't listed. So, is there a corundum layer or not? Also, while you are right about CZ being made up of zirconium and oxygen, you fail to mention that MOST CZ also includes a stabilizer to help it from oxidizing.

    Would you also like to comment on someone from your company going to jewelry forum pretending tobe a customer to leave a positive testimonial for your product? In your post you said yourself that competition should be "fair and open". Pot, meet kettle.

    As for your BBB rating, my opinion is that it doesn't mean much now that ABC recently exposed how grades are pretty much bought.
    <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/business-bureau-best-ratings-money-buy/story?id=12123843&page=1" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/business-bureau-best-ratings-money-buy/story?id=12123843&page=1</a>

    If you could address these questions it would be greatly appreciated, and I would love to know that I've been misinformed, so I don't give out false information.
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    Elle1036Elle1036 member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_e-ring-shopping-real-vs-stimulant?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:f16abd58-41b7-49f5-9938-f08e81a8a081Post:4903c09d-2197-4f8f-8c30-8311a0c560a1">Re: E-Ring Shopping Real vs Stimulant</a>:
    [QUOTE]Hi Everyone -   Kyle Blades from Diamond Nexus labs here. I want to take this opportunity to respond to a few misconceptions you have.   First off, we do carry "lab-created" diamonds, or synthetic diamonds. However, it is very difficult and expensive to produce a clear synthetic diamond over a 1/2 carat. Colored synthetic diamonds are easier to produce but no one in the world can easily create clear synthetic diamonds. However, we do offer them as part of our jewel line.   I also want to make it clear that we do not sell CZ. Cubic zirconia is made up of only two elements: zirconium and oxygen. Our gemstones on the other hand are made up of the ten elements: carbon, sulfur, iron, calcium, cobalt, nickel, yttrium, zirconium, gadolinium and hafnium. Although CZ can be very nice, our advanced chemical composition allows us to differentiate ourselves from CZ by weight, hardness and coating. If you would like more information on our unique gemstones, I invite you to checkout: <a href="http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/compare_to_cz.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/compare_to_cz.php</a>   The reason it is becoming harder to find false information about us is because we have brought several lawsuits against other companies claiming that DNL gemstones were cubic zirconia. In all cases we have prevailed. See here for details: <a href="http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/legal.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/legal.php</a>  I also want to address us deleting comments off of our Facebook wall.  Since I have worked at this company, we have only ever deleted one person from our wall.  One of our competitors created a fake profile and was trying to lie about us.  What happened when they did this is that our customers defended us and would not allow such false information to stand.  However, when the person again tried to post on our page, we blocked them.  We are all for competition but we believe it should be fair and open.    Finally, I want to point out that DNL has an "A" ratting with the Better Business Bureau, we offer a full guarantee on all of our products and we have served over 200,000 satisfied customers. If you would like to see what those customers are saying about us, I invite you to check-out our Facebook fan page at: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/DiamondNexus" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/DiamondNexus</a>   Please understand, I don’t mean to be over defensive or argumentative. However, DNL simply will not tolerate false or misleading information posted about us online. DNL represents a revolution for the consumer, and is a great threat to the diamond industry, and we must constantly defend ourselves against spurious claims meant to undermine us.   I sincerely hope this information helps. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to me personally.   Thank you,   Kyle Blades kyle.blades@diamondnexuslabs.com linkedin.com/in/kpblades
    Posted by bladesk[/QUOTE]

    I'm also a little confused as to how, if your products are as good as claimed, DNL has developed such a negative reputation that it's necessary to defend it so vehemently.

    There are plenty of other products out there that represent "threats to the diamond industry" which have not developed the reputation that DNL has. 
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_e-ring-shopping-real-vs-stimulant?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:f16abd58-41b7-49f5-9938-f08e81a8a081Post:fbbf00d4-27b0-46e2-85e3-c7b29b691fed">Re: E-Ring Shopping Real vs Stimulant</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: E-Ring Shopping Real vs Stimulant :Also, while you are right about CZ being made up of zirconium and oxygen, you fail to mention that MOST CZ also includes a stabilizer to help it from oxidizing. Posted by PandaBurr[/QUOTE]

    <div>I'm currently researching all sims and I'm on the DNL site reading over their literature ...I'd like to mention that they do state this on their site:</div><div>
    </div><div><span style="color:#898a8d;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:normal;" class="Apple-style-span">"CZ or cubic zirconia is made of zirconium oxide and sometimes a yttrium stabilizer."</span></div><div><span style="color:#898a8d;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:normal;" class="Apple-style-span">
    </span></div><div><span style="color:#898a8d;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:normal;" class="Apple-style-span"><a href="http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/compare_to_cz.php">http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/compare_to_cz.php</a></span></div><div>
    </div><div>As for the rest of it I have no idea, i'm just looking into them myself, but wanted to clear that up.</div><div>
    </div><div>Hopefully Kyle will come back at some point and answer a few of these things for himself. </div>
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    CASK85CASK85 member
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    edited December 2011
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    bladeskbladesk member
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    edited December 2011
    Hi Everyone -

    I really want to apologize for disapearing after my initial comment.  I respond to several messages everyday and I have done a poor job of keeping up with them after I initially respond.  Luckily I was made aware of the questions posted on here so I can respond. 

    PandaBurr - First off, I want to point out that it is not our policy to delete posts on Facebook, regardless of whether they're negative or not.  As to the lab results that I assume you're referencing, they come from a direct competitor of ours that appears to be propigating almost all of the negative information about us.  We have a patent pending compound that makes our stone proprietary.  Had they actually tested one of our stones, certain compounds would have been found that we do not see.  Furthermore, we have checked orders and see no orders going anywhere near that company's business, the lab they used or the private detectives they hired, during the timeframe of their test. 

    We are in the process of redesigning our website and will have a lot more information about our product and independent tests when it is launched.  However, if you would like me to send you some additional reports before the site is launched, I will be happy to.  Just email me at: kyle.blades@diamondnexuslabs.com. 

    Previously we have brought lawsuits against companies that have published false information about us.  We have settled all of these suits out of court when the companies agreed to remove the false information, which was all that we wanted.  We are in the process of trying to get the current false information removed and are trying to avoid a lawsuit.  If absolutely mandetory we will consider a further suit but we are trying to focus our time and money on creating happy customers, not suing those that lie about us. 

    There is indeed a protective layer of corundum on our stone, which has been photographed and is on our site.  The list of elements on our site is of our core compound and proprietary information is withheld, for obvious reasons.  As is pointed out, we do point out on our site that most CZ does have a stabalizer, I apologize if I did not mention this in my comments above. 

    I would indeed like to comment on company representatives leaving reviews in public forums.  Since I have joined the company in December, I have never seen this done and, as far as I know, this has never been the policy of Diamond Nexus.  When I have seen these claims in the past they have pointed to an IP address or other "evidence" that it was truly us commenting.  However, I have yet to see our actual IP address ever pointed to, nor have I seen any actual evidence that we have engaged in this process.  As I said, I cannot make promises about when I wasn't here but since I have been here, this has not been the case.  

    Obviously we are not associated with the BBB in anyway so I cannot comment on their business practices.  The video that you provided certainly does raise a lot of questions.  I will say that we do receive negative claims through the company and we do our best to immediately correct all issues.  That is how we have received our rating, I am not sure how others do it. 

    Please let me know if this answers your questions or if there is anything else I can clear-up.

    @ Elle1036 - I'm not sure why other companies have choosen to attack us but my guess is that they are trying to go after the industry leader.  We certainly are not the oldest player in this field but we are the largest by far.  We have become the largest by focusing on our customers and providing outstanding jewelry, not by attacking other companies.  We have decided to focus our efforts on highlighting the value of our products and not trying to discredit the product of others.  Clearly other companies have not made this same choice but our focus has allowed us to grow by leaps and bounds. 

    Again, if you have any further questions, please let me know. 

    I apologize again for missing the responses to my original post.

    Thank you,

    Kyle Blades
    kyle.blades@diamondnexuslabs.com

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    leia1979leia1979 member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_e-ring-shopping-real-vs-stimulant?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:f16abd58-41b7-49f5-9938-f08e81a8a081Post:0ad2e14c-b0f7-42b0-859b-8662bf595eae">Re: E-Ring Shopping Real vs Stimulant</a>:
    [QUOTE] Hopefully Kyle will come back at some point and answer a few of these things for himself. 
    Posted by BornOfTheWaves[/QUOTE]

    I doubt it because:
    1) this thread is from seven months ago and
    2) vendors are not allowed to post on TK
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