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appletango85

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : And to add - I actually had a lady tell me that I "don't really know what it's like to be a mother" since I had an epidural.  Really?!?
Posted by bsn1752[/QUOTE]
Yeah THAT is the kind of BS I am talking about! you still went through 10 months of being pregnant, HOURS of labor(whether you could feel it or not...and you felt it for at least a little bit before you can even get an epidural!) and then you are responsible for a BABY for the next 18+ years...how is that NOT a "real" mother?!?! The "unreal"  or "fake" mothers are the ones that neglect their kids. Not the ones that are doing everything they can to make sure their kids are being raised right. Pisses me off!

And thanks llc! <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" />

Tiffany618

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : And to add - I actually had a lady tell me that I "don't really know what it's like to be a mother" since I had an epidural.  Really?!?
Posted by bsn1752[/QUOTE]

WTH?  I'd deck her.   Ok, not really, but I'd want to!!

If people want to do it naturally, they can knock themselves out.  I'm cool with that.  However, I'm disturbed that others are judged for using modern methods that are now available.

Do these same "holier than thou" women cure their colds with ancient remedies or do they take antibiotics?  Yep, antibiotics.

What's the difference?

bsn1752

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[QUOTE]You can't explain it to someone that has never experienced it so I won't even try.  But you can talk about it forever if someone wants you to.  The trick is to realize that most people don't.
Posted by stephiehall[/QUOTE]

Yep! Agreed 1000000%

appletango85

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[QUOTE]Apple, I am sooooo happy for you!  Make me your friend on FB or something so I can keep up. *annielouise please stop reading--you've been warned* Hee, BSN, I actually did have an epidural but I was having such a hard time getting her out they turned it off so I could feel the contractions.  I will say--childbirth is something that stays with a woman forever.  You can't explain it to someone that has never experienced it so I won't even try.  But you can talk about it forever if someone wants you to.  The trick is to realize that most people don't.
Posted by stephiehall[/QUOTE]
LOL Ok! PM your info so I can find you. I'm not searchable or I would just give you mine lol and thanks!

The thought of labor scares the sheet out of me  but I hear you forget about all the horrible stuff(or at least don't remember how miserable it was LOL) once you get to hold your little one. That's why women keep getting pregnant...something has to keep us going back for more and what better than memory loss <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />

Ugh yes apparently being pregnant means people think you want to hear ALLLL about their birth stories and even their LIFE stories like the lady at Discount Tire who told me her son's life story from her birth and that her husband bought her a diamond watch so he could name him Nolan Ryan to how he is going to college on a scholarship now. I was like...I really don't care....she would ask me a question, I would answer and she would cut me off to continue talking about HER. I was like omg lady just go away! You just want to hear yourself talk...you really don't care that I'm pregnant at all!

fallbride1109

Apple, I'm Stephanie Haines Gratt.  And well, um, yeah, I still remember my labor like it was yesterday.

BSN, that is just ridiculous that someone would say that!

BanannaP

Ahhh a little Apple baby! Congratulations!

serlace

Congrats Apple. 

I'm with Tiffany - do these "mothers" not take antibiotics or if they had to have surgery would they not use anesthesia?  I mean really - you had a baby with no drugs - yay!  Would you say - you had surgery to have such and such removed with no anesthesia - yay!

Maybe I'm comparing apples to oranges - but to me it's all the same.  There are plenty of children born whose mother's had an epidural  - and so far they seem to be fine.  So, what's the point of the argument?

BanannaP

My mom had my sister and I both "naturally" because she felt the pressure that you're "supposed" to. But she said that if she could do it again, she would use the drugs. I totally plan on using them when that day comes.

appletango85

Thanks for all the congratulations! We will be having a turkey baby. I just hope I still get my Thanksgiving food!

tnickel06

Congrats Apple!

My mom had all three of us naturally but that was because of me. The doctor didn't get there in time to give her an epidural when she had me(1st born) and she decided if she could do it once, then she could do it again.

My FFF, I have been watching the channel Teennick all morning long.

appletango85

Bananananana - btw...I sent you a PM. 2 Actually because I had to figure out how to use the dang thing first LOL

DFWIndian

Congrats Apple!

I don't know if anyone else reads or follows the Post Secrets,but there is one for the nest, knot and Bump. The bump one is the worst!!! These ladies just fight with each other the whole day. They get mad the people are Stay at home, or the wy they teach their baby to sleep on their own, or breast feed, or formula, or what ever else I don't really get! Since when has it become ok to judge everything someone else does with their child?? As long as they aren't abusing him/her and they are happy why the flip do you care? It's not your life or your child.

I find the same with those people that care if a married Knottie is still on the sites. People care to much about what other people do. Worry about yourself!

ezzyv

The people that say that natural all the way are probably the same people that are preachy about vaccinations. We have nearly erradicated several deadly/crippling childhood diseases because of vaccinations but these dumdums, for a lack of a better word, want to stop using them because someone said that vaccinations cause autism. (Which has not been conclusively been shown.) /end rant

appletango85

The one study that said a particular vaccine caused autism was actually proved wrong.

I will probably do a delayed scheduled vaccine just because one at a time seems much better to do than 2, 3 , or 4 at a time! Plus if complications come of it bc of an allergy or something, it will be much easier to figure out where it came from and what it is.

But I have never gotten the flu shot and don't plan on it. I also have never gotten the flu *knock on wood*. Will I have my kids get them? I don't know yet. I do know they combined the swine flu shot with the regular flu shot this year and that is kind of scary to me considering long term effects of it(if any) aren't known yet!

annielouise

Reading these posts is  like a bad car accident, I was so bad to not see it,, yet I can't stop looking.

Any woman who delivers a baby is my hero. Birth is bar far my biggest fear.  I dont know why, it just scares the hell outa me.  Maybe it was when mom thought she needed to tell me that its like "pushing a watermelon out of the size of a lemon."

Everytime FI asks when we can get pregnant (and with the wedding in 3 wks, this is a nightly converstaion) the scene from Knocked Up comes flashing in my head.  And we all know which scene I'm talking about. 
Great, now I'm going to have the image a woman's wooha in my head the rest of the day.  Happy freakin Friday to me.

fallbride1109

I never got a flu shot either.  Until I got the flu.  Now I'm the first one at Walgreen's when the shots come out in October.

MsLaura31

Labor freaks me out... I'd love to adopt, but FI is set on at least attempting to pass on his DNA. I have a few issues... I should be able to conceive, but if not, I will be happy as a clam to adopt! However, the "baby hormones" haven't hit me yet, so I know I could totally change my mind.

I flame the future in-laws when they ruined FI's birthday Sunday morning. It was so sad, too, because we had an awesome weekend, but now all he thinks about is the disaster that happened with his mom. I still can't believe some of the things she said to him. His dad didn't even care to show up and didn't call until the next night. It does make me feel very fortunate to have the parents I have...

Jay&Marissa

I agree, that is very sad.  And you're absolutely right... as long as the end result means a sucessful birth and a happy, healthy baby... who cares??  Not me!

Actually, I care very much and know many others who do. I guess it depends on what you mean by "successful birth?" I think it is stupid to get mad at someone for not having a natural birth, but just as stupid to say that those who do are "crunchy crazies." The mommy wars on some of these sites are ricdiculous.

Many women have very good reasons--I want to have a lot of kids, so a c-section during my first one or two would actually be pretty devastating. It is very hard to find someone who is willing to do a VBAC, and you just cant do a huge amount of c-sections without serious risk of complications. So it could actually limit the amount of children I could have safely. Plus the recovery is usually worse. I don't think there is anything wrong with attempting to have a natural birth and use interventions such as induction or a c-section as a last resort.

I took today off

BanannaP

Marissa - I actually just recently read that the recommendations for VBAC are being changed, because it's not as dangerous as once thought. The chance of a rupture is only something like 2%? So they're going to encourage doctors to let women choose more often. I think it was on msn.com if you want to look for it.

mandasue178

Congrats Apple! Keep us updated!!

AmberMarieTX

I thought it was weird she had that in her signature but I was afraid to say anything because I thought it was because I wasn't a mother so I didn't "get it." hah

Jay&Marissa

Anna, actually I have seen that. I hope that will change doctor's minds more, but for many of them what it comes down to is liability and sometimes scheduling, not necessarily what might be recommended for the mother and baby.  Heck, I just talked to a doctor's wife who said she had a hard time finding somebody to do her VBAC.

 Seeing the med school admission process and what DH's doctor parents are like has taught me that doctors are not the gods we all want them to be and there are politics in medicine as well as everywhere else--doctors are human and have bias too. And even though they go through years and years of training, there is no way for them to know everything, especially every new study that comes out, etc. Not saying they aren't good at their job, but when it comes to my medical care, especially a baby, I will ask lots of questions and make sure what is happening is happening for a good reason--not just because, "that's what Dr. whatever likes to do." I think mostly it is about finding a provider and talking to them to make sure you both are on the same page, and being an active participant in your baby's birth, whatever route you decide to go.

Tiffany618

I only got a flu shot one time, and I got the flu that year. It was the only time I've ever had the flu.    I'm sure it was a coincidence, but yeah.  No flu shots for me!

appletango85

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[QUOTE]I agree, that is very sad.  And you're absolutely right... as long as the end result means a sucessful birth and a happy, healthy baby... who cares??  Not me! Actually, I care very much and know many others who do. I guess it depends on what you mean by "successful birth?" I think it is stupid to get mad at someone for not having a natural birth, but just as stupid to say that those who do are "crunchy crazies." The mommy wars on some of these sites are ricdiculous. Many women have very good reasons--I want to have a lot of kids, so a c-section during my first one or two would actually be pretty devastating. It is very hard to find someone who is willing to do a VBAC, and you just cant do a huge amount of c-sections without serious risk of complications. So it could actually limit the amount of children I could have safely. Plus the recovery is usually worse. I don't think there is anything wrong with attempting to have a natural birth and use interventions such as induction or a c-section as a last resort. I took today off :)
Posted by Jay&Marissa[/QUOTE]
I would be devastated to have a C-Section as well because I thought(before getting pregnant and reading up on a whole bunch of stuff lol) that after that, I'd always have to have a C-Section. That is not what I want.

I think what was meant is that the people who look down their nose shouldn't care (read accuse them of not being real women) because they had to have a C-section or elected for one for medical reasons.

It isn't easy to find a doctor or even hospitals for that matter willing to do VBAC's(YET!)but there is a change in the medical field something or other that does encourage them now so hopefully more doctors and hospitals will be willing to do that. The main reason they don't like doing them is because of the threat of a malpractice suit from the sue happy people looking to make easy money.

bsn1752

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[QUOTE]IActually, I care very much and know many others who do. I guess it depends on what you mean by "successful birth?" Posted by Jay&Marissa[/QUOTE]

By successful birth I mean that everyone comes out fine with no major complications... and if you have to have a c-section for your own health or the health or your child, then other people's opinions on the matter (or even your own) shouldn't make a difference... its ultimately about doing what's best for the health and well being of the baby... and the mom.

I'm not saying that you, yourself, should be one of the "who cares" people... its obviously your own body and your own beliefs.  My point is WHO CARES what other people think??  I had an epidural, I didn't have a c-section... and I make no apologies or explanations for it. 

appletango85

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[QUOTE]I never got a flu shot either.  Until I got the flu.  Now I'm the first one at Walgreen's when the shots come out in October.
Posted by stephiehall[/QUOTE]

Did you have like a "small" flu when you got the shot?  Have you gotten it since you've been getting the shot?

I have heard of people getting flu shots when they had never had the flu and they ended up getting it that year anyways plus had sypmtoms that were more than just uncomfortable when they got the shot. They didn't get the shot the next year and didin't get it. I know it's hard to say whether you would get it or not depending on hwo you take are of yourself and where you go and stuff like that but since I haven't caught it yet and I'm not considered "high risk" or am in a job that would put me around it, I don't see the need for it.

I don't have a hard core stance on getting it or not...I just figure...never had it before...why start when I don't need it really? And if I *have* gotten the flu before I obviously didn't know it so it wasn't bad enough for it to be diagnosed lol

appletango85

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[QUOTE]I only got a flu shot one time, and I got the flu that year. It was the only time I've ever had the flu.    I'm sure it was a coincidence, but yeah.  No flu shots for me!
Posted by Tiffany618[/QUOTE]

Perfect example of what I just posted! LOL

bsn1752

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF :I think what was meant is that the people who look down their nose shouldn't care (read accuse them of not being real women) because they had to have a C-section or elected for one for medical reasons. Posted by appletango85[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what I meant!

serlace

Do I want to know what a VBAC is?

bsn1752

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[QUOTE]Do I want to know what a VBAC is?
Posted by serlace[/QUOTE]

<strong>vaginal birth after cesarean</strong>