animal welfare vs religious rights?

Celles

Lucky, I quote myself:

"I doubt that a kosher slaughter is significantly less humane than a typical factory farming scenario in the US, although I'm hopeful that Western Europe has higher standards than we do. (I know they've outlawed declawing cats and docking ears and tails on dogs -- two practices that are still horrifyingly common here.)

"Still, I'd be more inclined to push for more humane treatment across the board than to say 'well, it isn't much worse than this thing that is already pretty horrific, so it probably isn't worth advcoating for...', KWIM?"

There is nothing in any of this that hints at taking away anyone's religious rights. I am saying that there should be higher standards across the board, first, and that certain religions should not be exempted from them, second.

eta - Or, what Any said. Thanks Any.

Anysunrise

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[QUOTE]Lucky, I quote myself: "I doubt that a kosher slaughter is significantly less humane than a typical factory farming scenario in the US, although I'm hopeful that Western Europe has higher standards than we do. (I know they've outlawed declawing cats and docking ears and tails on dogs -- two practices that are still horrifyingly common here.) "Still, I'd be more inclined to push for more humane treatment across the board than to say 'well, it isn't much worse than this thing that is already pretty horrific, so it probably isn't worth advcoating for...', KWIM?" There is nothing in any of this that hints at taking away anyone's religious rights. I am saying that there should be higher standards across the board, first, and that certain religions should not be exempted from them, second. eta - Or, what Any said. Thanks Any.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

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</div><div>Wasn't sure if you were coming back or not ;)</div>

Celles

Now that I've logged onto WoW, probably not.

Anysunrise

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[QUOTE]Now that I've logged onto WoW, probably not. ;)
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

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</div><div>Inc pestering.</div>

Celles

Priorities:

I haz them.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: animal welfare vs religious rights? : But then how is banning kosher or halal butchering tha answer if they are neither better nor worse than other methods or butchering? Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

I never said it was Mery.   But im not surprised you chose my post to respond to.  I am pretty sure I have made it clear that I have no desire to engage in conversation with you so Im not sure why you continue to come into posts that I have been out of for hours and quote me.

If you are going to put words and opinions in my mouth, make sure you get them right.

jasmineh7777

I believe in any freedom, insomuch as it does not infringe on the freedom of others. You're free to hate cats, but you're not free to murder my cat.
 I also believe that animals DO have the RIGHT to humane treatment.
 I believe that animals that are kept as pets have the RIGHT to care from their owners, the right to not be abused etc.

 What constitutes a "religion" really?  That needs to be outlined too.

OutOfTheBlue612

Is anyone aware of Dutch laws regarding freedom of religion? Because I feel like that plays a huge role in the intrepretation of this bill. But, I can freely admit, I don't know anything about Dutch law.

jasmineh7777

Agreed, OOTB. 

 This post made me think of the French ban on head coverings. That may not be the intention, but I did make that connection right away.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: animal welfare vs religious rights? : I never said it was Mery.   But im not surprised you chose my post to respond to.  I am pretty sure I have made it clear that I have no desire to engage in conversation with you so Im not sure why you continue to come into posts that I have been out of for hours and quote me. If you are going to put words and opinions in my mouth, make sure you get them right.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Yeah I totally follow you around to pester you. Someone has an overinflated sense of self importance. <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-undecided.gif" border="0" alt="Undecided" title="Undecided" />

OutOfTheBlue612

So I actually sent this to a friend of mine who lives in the Netherlands. She looked up the articles on it written in Dutch. They apparently aren't trying to ban all Halal or Kosher slaughtering. They are trying to outlaw the way one particular Kosher slaughterhouse kills animals, something with the particular type of knife they use not being sharp enough to pierce tough cow skin well enough. Apparently, if they tried a full ban on Halal and Kosher slaughtering there would be major backlash from people calling it xenophobic.

Nebb

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: animal welfare vs religious rights? : Yeah I totally follow you around to pester you. <strong>Someone has an overinflated sense of self importance</strong>.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]
Haha this is hilarious coming from little miss iknoweverythingandyoudont

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: animal welfare vs religious rights? : Yeah I totally follow you around to pester you. Someone has an overinflated sense of self importance.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

Yeah. That's totally it. Add my personality to the list of things you are an expert on.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: animal welfare vs religious rights? : Haha this is hilarious coming from little miss iknoweverythingandyoudont
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]


Aw, look at Blue's minion. So cute. *pats head*

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: animal welfare vs religious rights? : Aw, look at Blue's minion. So cute. *pats head*
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

Right, cause no one else can have a bad opinion of you unless i command it of them.

And you wonder why people think you are an asshole.

Nebb

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: animal welfare vs religious rights? : Aw, look at Blue's minion. So cute. *pats head*
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]
I disliked you WAY before you ever had it out with blue. Youve proven time and again that youre just a very disagreable person and seem to get off on spouting facts and trying to twist peoples words to prove your little points. Its your thing.

My relationship with blue has nothing to do with my opinion of you.

Blueyed228

Whatever Nebb.  Clearly you are my puppet.

Nebb

what did I tell you about posting pics of me in my underwear?!?

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]what did I tell you about posting pics of me in my underwear?!?
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

Shut up minion and KNOW YOUR ROLL.

Nebb

Yes Ma'am. Sorry Ma'am.

aprovencher21

I'm highly suspect of laws that restrict religious freedoms.  While I obviously care a great deal for animals I also have a lot of respect for religions, their practices, etc.  I don't think it helps an argument (and actually angered me) to hear a centuries old practice called a "whim." 

I don't mind outlawing practices such as using a dull knife or doing anything that causes extreme terror to an animal.  I also feel a bit hypocritical stating that because I hunt.  There has been an occasion where a deer has been spooked by gunfire and then I've shot them.  I'm sure they were extremely scared but I wasn't being inhumane.....just hunting (and yes we eat the deer).