Faulty product or faulty supervision?

SarahPLiz

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_graco_stroller_recall

Basically, they are recalling all of these strollers because if you don't use them correctly, they can cause harm. I'm pretty sure that anything you don't use correctly can cause harm. 

Also, they mention a voluntary safety initiative to make the distance between the tray and the seat bigger, as to not entrap the kids, who aren't buckled in properly in  the first place. So now they'll just slide right through on to the floor.

Am I the only one who sees an easier solution to this issue than blaming the manufacturer for not using the product as prescribed? 

mehgank

I heard about that on the news this morning. I don't think there's much they can do to change the construction of the strollers that would circumvent the issue. It seems to me that if the baby were strapped into the stroller properly, they wouldn't have been able to crawl around in the first place.

anna.oskar

Some of these recalls drive me nuts for just that reason.  Seems almost like we're enabling parental negligence in some cases.

staceytaylor0704

Umm, no you aren't the only one. I heard that on the news this morning and I thought the same thing.

Crazy story- I was working at Dillard's one day, and a lady was walking around pushing her child in a stroller. (This was baby age, like maybe 8 or 9 months old). Anyways, she's not paying attention, shopping and as she is walking, the baby starts sliding out the front part of the stroller! My boss and I saw it, and it was like slow mo. We both went Noooooooo and ran over there, arms in the air and everything.. We weren't fast enough, and the baby hit that marble floor and starting screaming. It was scary. I just didn't understand why she didn't buckle the child in!?!

ichellemay1

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[QUOTE]Some of these recalls drive me nuts for just that reason.  Seems almost like we're enabling parental negligence in some cases.
Posted by anna.oskar[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with this.  Common sense seems to be greatly lacking in our country/world these days.

maratea

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[QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that anything you don't use correctly can cause harm.  Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

Like a condom, that these parents obviously used incorrectly. Or their brains.

SarahPLiz

I think its just plain silly for Graco to imply that their product could be at fault in any of these deaths, from a legal point of view. That takes all of the contributory negligence off the caretakers, and is a very slippery slope. 

I understand recalling cribs when there is a safety issue, such as the ability to get a head suck in the rails, mainly because cribs aren't meant to be used with constant supervision. They are meant for sleeping. Kids can be really silent while they do really sneaky (and stinky sometimes) crap in their cribs when they should be sleeping. Having a kid in a stroller implies that they are with a care giver, being strolled, for lack of a better term. To me, that implies a duty of constant supervision. 

mrscarter052011

This angers me for several reasons. First as a society we have become so litigious that manufacturers are afraid to not pull the product  and have to face lawsuits. 

Second, parents want society to "protect" the kid yet b*tch when the state (NJ specifically) does things like mandate certain vaccinations.  You can't have it both ways people.

Third, crappy parents make me feel like Darwin was wrong about survival of the fittest.

end rant.

anna.oskar

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[QUOTE]Umm, no you aren't the only one. I heard that on the news this morning and I thought the same thing. Crazy story- I was working at Dillard's one day, and a lady was walking around pushing her child in a stroller. (This was baby age, like maybe 8 or 9 months old). Anyways, she's not paying attention, shopping and as she is walking, the baby starts sliding out the front part of the stroller! My boss and I saw it, and it was like slow mo. We both went Noooooooo and ran over there, arms in the air and everything.. We weren't fast enough, and the baby hit that marble floor and starting screaming. It was scary. I just didn't understand why she didn't buckle the child in!?!
Posted by staceytaylor0704[/QUOTE]

Stacey, I'm sorry to inform you that the reason she didn't buckle her baby is because she is a lazy idiot.  She didn't want to be bothered with those little plastic clips because they might slow her down getting into the store or getting the baby out later. She's an idiot because she refused to recognize the importance of items labeled "safety features".

mehgank

They should just agree to print a better set of instructions (I haven't seen if their instructions were clear or not) expressing the need to use the child restraints due to the danger of injury or death if the restraints aren't used. Don't initiate a multi-million dollar recall because of negligent parenting/caretaking.

mrscarter052011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Faulty product or faulty supervision? : Stacey, I'm sorry to inform you that <strong>the reason she didn't buckle her baby is because she is a lazy idiot.  </strong>She didn't want to be bothered with those little plastic clips because they might slow her down getting into the store or getting the baby out later. She's an idiot because she refused to recognize the importance of items labeled "safety features".
Posted by anna.oskar[/QUOTE]

exactly

slubkin

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[QUOTE]That's like recalling a car because someone got into an accident.
Posted by sucrets4[/QUOTE]

Which is exactly what happened with the Toyota recalls.  I found it fascinating that after reviewing the black box data, not a single one of the accidents caused by "unintended acceleration" was found to be a problem with the car.  In every case, the driver panicked and hit the gas instead of the brake.

mrscarter052011

Speaking of people panicking we had a woman hit our building a month or so ago because she saw the landscapers on a backhoe and she panicked, hit the gas, jumped a curb, crossed a sidewalk and a small landscaped area and hit the building.  She should totally sue, I mean the building was clearly in the wrong spot.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]<strong>I think its just plain silly for Graco to imply that their product could be at fault in any of these deaths, from a legal point of view.</strong> That takes all of the contributory negligence off the caretakers, and is a very slippery slope.  I understand recalling cribs when there is a safety issue, such as the ability to get a head suck in the rails, mainly because cribs aren't meant to be used with constant supervision. They are meant for sleeping. Kids can be really silent while they do really sneaky (and stinky sometimes) crap in their cribs when they should be sleeping. Having a kid in a stroller implies that they are with a care giver, being strolled, for lack of a better term. To me, that implies a duty of constant supervision. 
Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

Seriously. If their kid was injured from playing with a knife, would they sue the knife manufacturer? Cause if I was on that jury, I'd tell them it was their own damn negligence.

TheCranberry

The company is just protecting itself because they could have liability if someone gets hurt even if the person used it wrong.  If the company could foresee that someone would use the item that way, they could have at least partial liability.  Better to fix the problem now than ignore it and assume/hope that people will use it correctly.