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Another AE with a problem

First of all, I'm sorry I felt the need to create an AE. I've never talked to anyone about this and I feel weird even bringing it up. But I really value your opinions. I obviously do because I'm coming to you all first, not my IRL friends, not my FI, you guys.

Several years ago I was in just a toxic, bad relationship. I was young and dumb and he was just a waste. I stayed with him for two years, being unhappy most of the time. He started using drugs and I immediately broke it off. He knew that was a dealbreaker.

After the breakup, he started to guilt me into seeing him using excuses like giving some of my stuff back. When I would see him, although we never had sex, he would pin me down and kiss me, touch me, take off my clothes even when I protested and clearly told him I didn't want to. Sometimes I would cry and he wouldn't stop.

I didn't want to see him again after that. I was scared and confused. But he wouldn't stop calling me. I was afraid to answer the phone, so I didn't. Sometimes I would look at my cell phone after putting it away and there would be nearly 100 missed calls. He would just keep calling. A few times I would text a friend and accidentally answer his call and promptly hung up. He would sometimes leave voicemails and say it was very important and to call him back. Eventually I would answer and he tell him never to ignore him again and to answer his calls. Then he started threatening that he would kill himself if I didn't answer his calls or meet with him. When I'd meet with him, the same things happened as the first time. I would still protest and he would still continue. He kept threatening that he'd kill himself and I felt responsible if he did. Sometimes I wouldn't protest because I knew it wouldn't make a difference. This continued for months.

He started stalking me and I felt really scared. I would leave for work very early in the morning, before the sun came up, and he would be there walking around my neighborhood. I started ignoring his phone calls again and he started threatening he'd kill himself. He left voicemails saying I shouldn't date and shouldn't move on. He would hear about dates I went on and call about them and ask personal questions about what I did. I became so numb to the situation, I didn't care. So I continued to ignore him, blocked his phone number, email, screen name, etc. Sometimes he would call from other numbers and sometimes he would see me at school, but after a couple more months, he gave up and stopped.

I haven't seen or talked to him since then, this was several years ago. A couple weeks ago a friend of mine, that was a mutual friend when we starting dating, texted me and said she got a call from ex's mom and she said he has been missing for a while. I contacted an old friend of ours who I thought might stay in contact with him and he said ex was fine. Since then, I've just felt really strange about the situation. I've been having nightmares about him and I never realized how scared I actually was of him. After we broke up, I misunderstood his aggression for passion. I just thought we had a nasty breakup and he didn't take it well. But now as an adult, I'm just now realizing that I was really scared and it affected me and my relationship a lot. I have this strange urge to contact ex and confront this situation. I feel like I need closure.

I feel a little silly even bringing this up because so many other women have been in horrible, domestic violence situations and this is really nothing in comparison. But for some reason, now more than ever, I feel so unsettled about it. Any advice?
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  • Wow. That had to have been scary. It really bothers me when people play the suicide card. It's just so manipulative and is just an all around severe mindfuck. I'm sorry you're dealing with this.

    What would you say to him if you contacted him? Do you think you could handle it rationally? Do you think he could? What is your ultimate goal?

    If it were me, I would not contact him. It sounds to me like the situation has died down considerably and I honestly think that talking to him will just invite the crazy back into both of your lives. While I think he's a total scumbag for what he did to you, the fact that he's stopped stalking you means that he's either healed or moved on and that makes me glad for him (and you). I just think it's best for both of you that you not have any contact with eachother.
  • I'm so sorry that you dealt with this and that it never felt finished for you. I don't have any kind of therapy background to back me up, but I don't think confronting him in any way is a good idea. It seems like he's moved on from it, and I would be hesitant to remind him of my existence if I were in your shoes, lest he turn into a whackjob all over again.

    Have you sought out any professional counselling for this? Perhaps that's the best place for you to talk and rage this out so that you can find some closure.


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    [QUOTE]Wow. That had to have been scary. It really bothers me when people play the suicide card. It's just so manipulative and is just an all around severe mindfuck. I'm sorry you're dealing with this. What would you say to him if you contacted him? Do you think you could handle it rationally? Do you think he could? What is your ultimate goal? If it were me, I would not contact him. It sounds to me like the situation has died down considerably and I honestly think that talking to him will just invite the crazy back into both of your lives. While I think he's a total scumbag for what he did to you, the fact that he's stopped stalking you means that he's either healed or moved on and that makes me glad for him (and you). I just think it's best for both of you that you not have any contact with eachother.
    Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

    Listen to Cew on this one. Calling him will only lead to trouble.

    Are you getting any kind of therapy? I'm not judging, I've been in bad relationships myself. But you need to understand why you allowed this kind of behavior to continue. You could have talked to someone, called the police.
    So I wonder what kind of hold he had on you, and you need to figure this out too.

    I worry that you are setting yourself up for the same behavior. And if you are getting married, his little suicide ploy was probably a way to get you to come to him. And see if you'd still worry about him, and if he still had that hold on you.
    And obviously he does. Or you would have ignored this whole situation, and wouldn't be tempted to call him.

    I think you need to talk to someone about this. Change your numbers and make it clear to your friends you don't care to hear about him in any way shape or form.

    Good luck, and keep us updated please.
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  • It's not silly at all, but whatever you do, don't contact him.  Don't try to get information about him. Don't do it. You've been through the hardest part of ending a toxic, abusive relationship. Open that door again even a crack and you're right back in it.  He'll use it to begin stalking you again.  Don't let this past you've beaten break in to poison your life now.

    You won't get closure from him.  Even confronting a balanced, non-abusive person is unpredictable, and confronting this guy will only get you more trouble.

    Your realization now of how afraid you were and how it's affected you is important and positive. Your lack of closure, though, is within yourself, so that's where it needs to be resolved. Counseling is a good idea, and can be short term and deal with this specific issue, and how you've buried your fear to the extent that you didn't even recognize it.  Tell the counselor you want to pull it out and look at how it's affected you.  That's the closure you need, not a conversation with an abusive stalker.

    Good for you for having these realizations.  Just don't let them pull you back into connection with someone you had the sense and courage to get free of. Incidentally, if you'd realized these things before and confronted him, best case scenario (assuming he didn't get violent), you'd still have had to handle the rest of it exactly the way you did ... not answering until he gave up. Don't risk yourself again. Take care!
  • Cew, I know contacting him is a bad idea and honestly, I'm not going to. I just have a strange urge to contact him. I guess my ultimate goal would be to get closure from the situation. I'd kinda like to see that he's changed because I've changed so much. I would to know that he's ok. And that's completely bizarre to me because I really detest him.

    Sept, I never sought counseling. I've never seen told anyone about this because I never realized that it was that serious of a problem. I was literally JUST thinking about it and viewing it as a borderline abusive situation.
  • That sounds like a really scary situation. There's no way I could have dealt with that and lived a normal life. A restraining order should have been put in place against him. IMO, you should seek some sort of counseling to help you work through what happened. If I were you, I would NOT contact him. With his past I find it odd that he could just "disappear" and change, no matter how long he hasn't been in contact. For your own safety, I would not contact him without first asking a mental health professional what to do. To me, you contacting him is like watching a movie where the girl venutres out into the woods, in the dark, all alone and you're screaming at the TV saying "NO! don't go out there! NO!"

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  • Don't call or get in touch with him at all. You'd only be setting yourself up for repeat patterns. That's what he wants, to get you back in his grasp. You don't need that in your life. And as for the suicide threats, that can't be your worry o responsibility. Honestly, I say let him make all the threats against himself he wants--don't feel bad about them or take them personally. He's playing with your head so you'll come back to him.

    If he's constantly calling and showing up, I say try to get a restraining order of some kind. Other than that, don't check up on him even if his mom is worried. He's not your responsibility. I don't know that calling him would give you any closure, I think it would only bring back bad memories.

    Sorry you're going through this. Men really suck sometimes.
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    [QUOTE]That sounds like a really scary situation. There's no way I could have dealt with that and lived a normal life. A restraining order should have been put in place against him. IMO, you should seek some sort of counseling to help you work through what happened. If I were you, I would NOT contact him. <strong>With his past I find it odd that he could just "disappear" and change, no matter how long he hasn't been in contact.</strong> For your own safety, I would not contact him without first asking a mental health professional what to do. To me, you contacting him is like watching a movie where the girl venutres out into the woods, in the dark, all alone and you're screaming at the TV saying "NO! don't go out there! NO!"
    Posted by mrsalbee[/QUOTE]

    Exactly. But that's what happened. He just stopped. Years ago. Even if I wanted to contact him, I don't know how I would.

    I'm really surprised everyone suggests seeking professional help. I honestly never saw this as that big of an issue. I'm really nervous about seeking help because I'll have to confront the situation with other people, especially my FI. I would really hate to explain this to my FI. I felt like such a weak person then. I don't want him to see me like that. And I know he would be incredibly angry that someone would treat me like that. I don't know how HE would deal with it.
  • As far as the closure is concerned you realize that this person is irrational dont you? He wouldnt understand a thing you said,and he would just blame his behavior on you.

    I was married to an alcoholic for years, and his behavior was always my fault. You will never get the closure you seek with him. You'll probably come out more confused then before. What is normal for these people will never make sense to a real rational person.

    Seshat is right, he is not your responsibilty. Let his mother deal with him. But you need to tell some people in your real life what has been going on.
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  • While I don't have much advice for you, I did want to say that I'm sorry all this is happening.  It's scary and, I'm sure, an emotional burden to you.

    Listen to the ladies above me - they gave you very good advice.
  • Just to be clear, I haven't seen or talked to him in years. He's not currently stalking me or trying to contact me. This was in the past.

    I really appreciate all your advice. You ladies are an amazing support system.
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    [QUOTE]Cew, I know contacting him is a bad idea and honestly, I'm not going to. I just have a strange urge to contact him. I guess my ultimate goal would be to get closure from the situation. I'd kinda like to see that he's changed because I've changed so much. I would to know that he's ok. And that's completely bizarre to me because I really detest him.
    Posted by BabyDuckHat[/QUOTE]

    I think being curious about how he's doing and what is going on in his life is 100% normal. I think we'd all be lying if we said we didn't do some FB stalking of our asshole ex bfs. Whether it's for the satisfaction of knowing their lives' suck or out of curiosity or concern, it's still completely normal.

    I think if you're not going to contact him (which is great), but still really need closure, then you should seek counselling. What he did to you was awful and I can imagine that it did a number on your self esteem, among other things. Talking to someone about it and having them help you deal with your memories and feelings would likely be rather liberating for you since it sounds like you've carried this all alone for so long.
  • It has been years since you had contact - you need to let it lie.  Don't contact him now.  You need to find closure eslewhere, through a counselor or someone else, without bringing him into the picture now.
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  • I agree with Cew on this one...

    Don't call him, I do understand what you are going thru. My ex and I broke up 4 years ago, and his fb about me is still dedicated to me and how he fvcked everything up and he'll never find another me again etc.... he pulls the sucide card all the time. But it's just a way to manipulate me into feeling bad for him. I too used to worry that he was okay, even though I detest him for how he treated me. It's your good heart coming out, you can't help but be compassionate for someone else even if they hurt you. I finally just blocked his number, fb, anything else that he could use to contact me. I moved... he doesn't know where I live now, got a new job, he doesn't know where I work. I cut him out of my life, so he couldn't try to continue to manipulate me anymore.

    I think contacting him could possibly make things worse though. Regardless if he's healed from the breakup and is better now, speaking to you may bring those feelings back and bring that unwanted attention back into your life. It may be an out of sight, out of mind type thing for him.

    I do understand that you don't feel like you've gotten any closure with the situation, and honestly I'm not sure how to help you feel that closure. My closure for me was learning to love someone again, and learning to live in a relationship where I wasn't abused physically or verbally. For the first few months that I dated my FI, I just felt like it was a dream, it didn't seem real that this could really be happening to me because I was so used to how things were with my ex. That was my closure.

    If you ever need anyone to talk to, I'd be glad to lend an ear. PM me if you'd like and I'll send you my email.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Another AE with a problem : Exactly. But that's what happened. He just stopped. Years ago. Even if I wanted to contact him, I don't know how I would. I'm really surprised everyone suggests seeking professional help. I honestly never saw this as that big of an issue. I'm really nervous about seeking help because I'll have to confront the situation with other people, especially my FI. I would really hate to explain this to my FI. I felt like such a weak person then. I don't want him to see me like that. And I know he would be incredibly angry that someone would treat me like that. I don't know how HE would deal with it.
    Posted by BabyDuckHat[/QUOTE]

    You shouldn't be afraid to share this with your FI. That's what he's here for, to be your support system. I know what you mean when you say it makes you feel weak, but the truth is that you got through it, which makes you anything but.

    I've been in a similiar situation that's left me feeling weak, and I was terrified to tell FI because I didn't want it to affect the way he saw me. But he loves me, and said nothing that happened was my fault and that it made him think of me as a stronger person for getting through it. He got angry, yes, but dealt with it by supporting me when I needed to talk. Your FI loves you, so he should be the same kind of shoulder to cry on, so to speak.
  • If he's making those threats, he is probably not serious (the suicide ones). Restraining order (if he tries again to make contact), new phone number, new email, are all in order. Do NOT contact him. There's no closure to be had. It doesn't matter if he's changed. You have.

    Your FI needs to know about this, because at some level, it's bound to affect the intimacy you have with him, even if he says something that brings up an old feeling, or grabs your arm to keep you from stepping off a curb you don't see, etc. This is a big issue - you need to be able to trust each other with the big issues.

    And - COUNSELING. Counseling, counseling, counseling.

    I'm so sorry this was something you dealt with.
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  • Such a number on my self esteem. Jesus Christ.

    I'm afraid to seek help. I don't really feel like my situation is valid enough. And I'm terrified to tell anyone.
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    [QUOTE]Such a number on my self esteem. Jesus Christ. I'm afraid to seek help. I don't really feel like my situation is valid enough. And I'm terrified to tell anyone.
    Posted by BabyDuckHat[/QUOTE]

    ANY situation is valid for someone to seek help. You could seek help for needing to make sure all of your pens are lined up at a 90 degree angle on your desk. There is no such thing as a non-valid reason to seek help under any circumstances.

    I also agree with Seshat that you should talk to your FI. He loves you... he won't judge you for your past, and he's the biggest support system you have. When I talked to my FI about my past, it helped him understand me better as a person, because for awhile the way I was treated by my ex did affect our relationship becuase it still affected me.
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  • No one has the right to judge a situation as valid or not. If it's affecting you, then it's valid.

    Why are you afraid to tell anyone? Many, many people have gone through similiar situations, several even on these boards, so you're not alone. And going to counseling doesn't say anything bad about you as a person. Hell, I ws seeing a shrink before I was even in kindergarden and she helped me get over a lot of things that had happened. There's no shame in sharing, whether with your FI or a therapist.

  • Seek help.  You're not weak!  FI will help you (really).  A therapist/counselor will help you.  PM one of us - we will help you!  You can get past this - and put the ex and all his drama/issues in the past - where he belongs.
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  • Thank you all so much. I felt a little relieved in a way just to talk about it.

    Future, I really appreciate that you shared that because I can really relate. My FI is wonderful and he brings me a lot of joy and a lot of comfort. In a way, I feel guilty that I'm having these nightmares and feelings about what happened.

    Se and KD, I appreciate you sharing too. You're all so strong and truly an inspiration.

    I really, really never saw this as that big of an issue. It's only when I started having nightmares that I realized that was not a normal bad breakup. Maybe that's why I feel/felt the urge to contact him. I want him to know that how he treated me was not ok.
  • You don't have to tell anyone if you decide to see a counselor.  In fact, seeing the counselor may help you learn how to talk to the people in your life about this situation or he/she may have tips on how to bring this up to your FI for instance.

    Why do you feel like your situation is not "valid enough" to seek help?  I am a strong believer in therapy and think that anyone can benefit from it.  No one is perfect, and we all have things going on in our lives that an outside opinion could help us deal with better.  You have been in a specific situation, an abusive (not borderline) situation, that still weighs on your mind.  You absolutely should find someone to talk to.  No good therapist/counselor will tell you that your situation is not "valid enough" to come talk to them.  And they do, they are not good, and you should find someone else.

    I think you should really look into what resources are out there.  There may be Women's Resource Centers in your area that can point you in the right direction for a counselor who specializes in helping people who have been in abusive relationships.  Group therapy may be another option if you are willing.  You don't have to tell your FI or anyone else if you decide to see someone.
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    Not at all related but im a little bit miffed now that the SN babyduckhat is now inoperable to a real poster :( That makes me sad.

  • I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said, but I want to ditto the suggestion of seeking some counseling.  A good counselor/therapist will not judge you or minimize your problem.  If they do, they're not a good counselor and you should ask for a referral to someone else.  I certainly think this is worthy of seeking help--it's clearly bothering you.  That's all that's necessary. 

    Good luck!

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  • he know that how he treated you wasn't ok, but he didn't care. Telling him won't change anything.

    And sometimes issues sit in the back of your mind and then suddenly pop up when you least expect it. Like, I refused to deal with a date-rape in college until I met H, because I was suddenlty confronted with the fact that I had to be intimate with a guy and open up about my past. I had nightmares every night and still do at times, but H is an incredible person and helped me through it.

    So, while it may not have been an issue before, it is now. You know it wasn't a healthy relationship and it's affecting you now, so you need to take the steps necessary to overcome it. Talk to yuor FI about what you're going through, otherwise holding it back is bound to affect your relationship.
  • If you feel the need to tell him how it made you feel, write it all out in a letter, but don't send it anywhere. Let all of those feelings out on paper and then burn it. I swear, its therapeutic. 

    I also suggest counseling. While you may not think what he did was that bad, it obviously affected you negatively and I think you may need counseling to get past it. I agree that your FI should support you in whatever you need to do to put this totally behind you.

    FWIW, I had some tough crap happen with my ex. It was emotional abuse rather than physical, but telling my FI made it better. I know that FI is nothing like my ex (YAY!) and he understands what happened and how it affected me. That is such a comfort. 
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  • I'm afraid it IS affecting my relationship with FI now. I'm very, very timid. About everything. I seek his approval a lot. He's been nothing but kind to me. I'm thinking the past relationship is to blame for how I'm acting. I seriously never thought it was this big of an issue. I'm really kind of shocked.

    Nebb, I would be willing to surrender the username. I was surprised it was available.
  • By the way, it IS ABSOLUTELY worthwhile for counseling, and you are worthwhile for counseling, because it's making you feel like this. If you continue to feel not worthy of feeling empowered and someone who is worth having all the happiness she can get from life, then he's won. And you can't let that happen.
    I went for it (counseling), because of the way my ex husband talked to down to me and belittled me, and made me feel worthless and stupid.

    And, just so you know, yours wasn't borderline abusive - it WAS abusive. You're in a better place.
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    [QUOTE]By the way, it IS ABSOLUTELY worthwhile for counseling, and you are worthwhile for counseling, because it's making you feel like this. If you continue to feel not worthy of feeling empowered and someone who is worth having all the happiness she can get from life, then he's won. And you can't let that happen. I went for it (counseling), because of the way my ex husband talked to down to me and belittled me, and made me feel worthless and stupid. And, just so you know, yours wasn't borderline abusive - it WAS abusive. You're in a better place.
    Posted by missy68[/QUOTE]

    This was what I can't grasp. Was it really abusive?
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    [QUOTE]I'm afraid it IS affecting my relationship with FI now. I'm very, very timid. About everything. I seek his approval a lot. He's been nothing but kind to me. I'm thinking the past relationship is to blame for how I'm acting. I seriously never thought it was this big of an issue. I'm really kind of shocked. Nebb, I would be willing to surrender the username. I was surprised it was available.
    Posted by BabyDuckHat[/QUOTE]

    This makes me even more sad that you haven't gotten some counseling.  Please, please consider it.  And if you don't like or click with the first counselor, try someone else.  Don't let it affect your current relationship.  He's (the ex) not worth that.  And you're worth  more than that.

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