Oh Boston......(political)

allisong23

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : He already does this for people who are not his friends getting liquor licenses, non-unionized companies, etc.  Its really scary.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Yeah, if you don't suck the BRA's dickk (Boston Redevelopment Authority) and pay off Menino, you won't get anything built in this town. It makes me so angry.

AllAboutTheBenjamin

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : In the same FB thread, someone pointed this out, that if they start with CFA, then whats next?  Banning the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, and some other companies (I forget). FB friend said "I am all for banning all those places too". UMMMMM, but IM the scary one?????  Ok.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

THE HELL???

lbarr088

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : In the same FB thread, someone pointed this out, that if they start with CFA, then whats next?  Banning the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, and some other companies (I forget). <strong>FB friend said "I am all for banning all those places too". UMMMMM, but IM the scary one?????</strong>  Ok.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

<div>Yikes.  Where would it truly end though?  Also, I could see the opposite happening with those agreeing with CFA if a huge banfest started.  How far do you go to "support" one group without ostracizing the other group?  It would be a huge old mess.</div>

rhodesign

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : Rho- I think that is part of my problem, that people are so excited that he stood up for gay rights, that they fail to see the danger in this type of action. What if the Mayor decided he didnt like black people and wouldnt let you open a business because of it?  People would be ALL OVER HIM.  But because gay rights is such a popular movement here, people dont care about the danger of this over-step of power.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

You're right, which is why I don't *actually* agree with it. I think it is the cause-du-jour so it's popular, etc. but yes I totally agree that it sets a bad precedent. I smile only at the idea that it will be hard for them to do business here purely in principle, but not in execution.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : THE HELL???
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE!

And you people think im the crazy one......

AllAboutTheBenjamin

I'm telling you Blue, you gotta move to Nodak. 

lbarr088

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : H has to deal with his office all the time when he has to go before the liquor board for the club.  Its ridiculous.  He is such a corrupt politician.  I really hate that guy. Plus,<strong> when he talks, he sounds like he has got a BOD in his mouth.</strong>  He is worse than Barney Frank.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

<div>Hence my affectionate nickname of Mumbles Menino.  Well, not my personal nickname for him... but every radio station, and just about everyone else's nickname for him.</div>

pirategal03

I'm all for free market, so obviously I agree with you, Blue.

But this isn't just about the CEO's personal beliefs.  CFA is a privately owned company and their religious values are integrated in everything they do.  Their "Corporate purpose" is: "To glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us.  To have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A."  (http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Pressroom/Fact-Sheets#?release=sunday_2012)

I say that to say that I don't think this directly transferrs into an "ask all the CEOs what their beliefs are" situation. 

jcg98

Blue - or any Bostonite - are there mayoral term limits?  Or can he bend that law at will like Bloomberg in NYC?

allisong23

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[QUOTE]Blue - or any Bostonite - are there mayoral term limits?  Or can he bend that law at will like Bloomberg in NYC?
Posted by jcg98[/QUOTE]

Nope. Our only hope is that all the old people that keep him in office die off.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]Blue - or any Bostonite - are there mayoral term limits?  Or can he bend that law at will like Bloomberg in NYC?
Posted by jcg98[/QUOTE]

He is never getting voted out.  Seriously.  Never. 

In fact, he will probably use this as part of his campaign next time.

lbarr088

He's the longest serving mayor in Boston's history.  I was freaking just getting out of Pull-ups  when he first became mayor.

Blueyed228

Its not like we have the best history of Mayors either.  James Curly anyone?  Guy was jailed for 5 months during his run in office and he KEPT GETTING ELECTED!

maratea

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[QUOTE]I'm all for free market, so obviously I agree with you, Blue. But this isn't just about the CEO's personal beliefs.  <strong>CFA is a privately owned company and their religious values are integrated in everything they do.  Their "Corporate purpose" is: "To glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us.  To have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A." </strong> ( <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Pressroom/Fact-Sheets#?release=sunday_2012)">http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Pressroom/Fact-Sheets#?release=sunday_2012)</a> I say that to say that I don't think this directly transferrs into an "ask all the CEOs what their beliefs are" situation. 
Posted by pirategal03[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but this doesn't state "WE HATE THE GAYS."

Plus there are plenty of other businesses that are "religious" in their values. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/24/7-religious-companies-besides-chick-fil-a/?iref=storysearch">http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/24/7-religious-companies-besides-chick-fil-a/?iref=storysearch</a>

ETA: Meant to say, plenty of other businesses that are fairly open about their religious stance but aren't being banned from cities. It just happens that the CEOs or talking heads of these companies didn't run their big mouths off.

pirategal03

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : Yeah, but this doesn't state "WE HATE THE GAYS." Plus there are plenty of other businesses that are "religious" in their values. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/24/7-religious-companies-besides-chick-fil-a/?iref=storysearch">http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/24/7-religious-companies-besides-chick-fil-a/?iref=storysearch</a>
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

Absolutely, I was just coming back to add that because I realized it wasn't clear.

ETA: But also, saying you don't think gays should marry also doesn't mean you "HATE THE GAYS" Just that you define marriage in a way that doesn't include same-sex unions

lbarr088

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[QUOTE]Its not like we have the best history of Mayors either.  James Curly anyone?  Guy was jailed 5 times during his run in office and he KEPT GETTING ELECTED!
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

<div>Boston is a city of winners, well when it comes to politics.  </div>

Starmusica

ok I am NOT at all a Menino fan and I agree- he has no right to say anything... but I did like the IDEA of what he was trying to do. He's the mayor of the city and he speaks for  the city- I like the idea that the message boston sent was prejudice isn't ok.

That said- you're not wrong- it's the wrong forum for it. But the idea behind it is nice.

As for Menino himself? Total asshat.

Starmusica

honestly- menino can't block them. This is all grandstanding. If he even treated them SLIGHTLY different than another business applying for permits, he would get sued and lose. They would win every day, every court.

AllAboutTheBenjamin

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[QUOTE]I'm all for free market, so obviously I agree with you, Blue. But this isn't just about the CEO's personal beliefs.  <strong>CFA is a privately owned company and their religious values are integrated in everything they do.  Their "Corporate purpose" is: "To glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us.  To have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A."</strong>  ( <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Pressroom/Fact-Sheets#?release=sunday_2012)">http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Pressroom/Fact-Sheets#?release=sunday_2012)</a> I say that to say that I don't think this directly transferrs into an "ask all the CEOs what their beliefs are" situation. 
Posted by pirategal03[/QUOTE]


So?

ETA - I just read the ETAs

pirategal03

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[QUOTE]honestly- menino can't block them. This is all grandstanding. If he even treated them SLIGHTLY different than another business applying for permits, he would get sued and lose. They would win every day, every court.
Posted by Starmusica[/QUOTE]

Is different treatment like that easy to prove?

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]honestly- <strong><u>menino can't block them</u></strong>. This is all grandstanding. If he even treated them SLIGHTLY different than another business applying for permits, he would get sued and lose. They would win every day, every court.
Posted by Starmusica[/QUOTE]

Yes he can.  Just like he blocks new bars, clubs, and restaraunts, and new housing buildings that are not going into his friends pockets.  He just wont give them the permits.  He has already said he wont.  And nothing will happen, like it never does.

He said in a Herald article:
“If they need licenses in the city, it will be very difficult — unless they open up their policies,” he warned.

So either change your views, or im NOT giving you licenses.

jcg98

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[QUOTE]honestly- menino can't block them. This is all grandstanding. If he even treated them SLIGHTLY different than another business applying for permits, he would get sued and lose. <strong>They would win every day, every court.</strong>
Posted by Starmusica[/QUOTE]

This was my thought as well, although he'd probably prefer to win in the court of public opinion, which helps keep him in office.

Starmusica

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : Is different treatment like that easy to prove?
Posted by pirategal03[/QUOTE]


normally... maybe not? But given the letter he just put out there... if they get denied a permit, they are going to scream discrimination and show this letter as proof. If Menino had half a brain- he wouldn't have posted this letter and instead fought them quietly.

But he's a moron who wanted to grandstand. I applaud the message totally... but it's just words. He's not going to do anything to get the city sued. The city attorney's are too smart.

pirategal03

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : So? ETA - I just read the ETAs
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

So this:

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[QUOTE]I kind of think the notion of it is stupid, too.  I mean - sure, the CEO's opinions suck, but I'm not going to research all the CEOs of all the businesses I frequent to see if all my beliefs are in line with them before I buy their shiiit.  That sounds exhausting. Just because the CEO thinks this way doesn't mean every last employee of Chick-Fil-A feels this way, either.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

Isn't really the situation.

ETA: THERE ARE TOO MANY ETAs!!!

Starmusica

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : Yes he can.  Just like he blocks new bars, clubs, and restaraunts, and new housing buildings that are not going into his friends pockets.  He just wont give them the permits.  He has already said he wont.  And nothing will happen, like it never does. He said in a Herald article: “If they need licenses in the city, it will be very difficult — unless they open up their policies,” he warned. So either change your views, or im NOT giving you licenses.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]


I still don't think it would happen BECAUSE this letter exists.

Starmusica

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : This was my thought as well, although he'd probably<strong> prefer to win in the court of public opinion, which helps keep him in office.</strong>
Posted by jcg98[/QUOTE]


my point. I will admit- I hate the guy and I applauded when I saw this and thought better of him on a personal level. On a political level? still an asshat.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : I still don't think it would happen BECAUSE this letter exists.
Posted by Starmusica[/QUOTE]

He blocked Wal-mart and Whole Foods after being on record disagreeing with them and nothing happened.

Starmusica

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Oh Boston......(political) : He blocked Wal-mart and Whole Foods after being on record disagreeing with them and nothing happened.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]


hmm THAT I did not know about. What did he disagree with them on? Because disagreeing on religious grounds and then blocking them is DEFINITELY grounds for a suit.

Starmusica

and fyi- my thoughts are PURELY not legal advice

pkontk

Yeah, I love Boston, but our politicians can be corrupt as all get-out.  You really do need to pay people off to get a new liquor license (or be a celeb chef - Ming Tsai and Barbara Lynch are BOTH opening brand new restaurants on A Street and I'm sure their liquor licenses will be readily available.)  A few have been caught accepting briberies, but Menino will never be punished.